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Mike Pence Disavows Donald Trump’s Earlier Proposal Banning Muslims

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Mike Pence Disavows Donald Trump’s Earlier Proposal Banning Muslims - The New York Times

The Trump campaign appeared to disavow one of its most provocative policy proposals on Thursday, as Gov. Mike Pence of Indiana said explicitly that Donald J. Trump no longer wants to impose a temporary ban on Muslim immigration to the United States.In a round of television interviews in which he was asked to clarify once and for all where the campaign stands on the proposal, Mr. Pence, who opposed the ban before becoming Mr. Trump’s running mate, declared the idea dead. The reversal is a significant one for the Trump campaign, which was accused of promoting a policy that was discriminatory and likely unconstitutional when Mr. Trump unveiled it in the name of national security last year.
Asked on CNN about why he will not condemn the Muslim ban now, Mr. Pence said, “Because that’s not Donald Trump’s position now.”
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Two questions come to mind...

1. After months of Trump supporters defending this policy as "common sense", won't this lose him some support?

2. Is Pence now running this campaign? It seems very much like Trump is taking a back seat (at least where the media is concerned) and letting his VP shape a new narrative and moderate (or deny) his positions.
 
Pence is protecting himself. If Trump ends up falling flat on his face he can go back to whatever he does, but Pence is a politician that needs to craft a good image for himself. Particularly since he already has such a low approval rating in his home state.
 
CriticalThought said:
Mike Pence Disavows Donald Trump’s Earlier Proposal Banning Muslims - The New York Times

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Two questions come to mind...

1. After months of Trump supporters defending this policy as "common sense", won't this lose him some support?

2. Is Pence now running this campaign? It seems very much like Trump is taking a back seat (at least where the media is concerned) and letting his VP shape a new narrative and moderate (or deny) his positions.
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He's only saying things anyone with any idea at all about foreign affairs knew were born in the naiveté won't be done.
 
CriticalThought said:
Mike Pence Disavows Donald Trump’s Earlier Proposal Banning Muslims - The New York Times

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Two questions come to mind...

1. After months of Trump supporters defending this policy as "common sense", won't this lose him some support?

2. Is Pence now running this campaign? It seems very much like Trump is taking a back seat (at least where the media is concerned) and letting his VP shape a new narrative and moderate (or deny) his positions.
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There is a list a mile long of things Trump has said that were impractical, improbable, idiotic, unworkable or flat out unconstitutional. Since Trump seems to lack any ability to ever admit he was wrong about something, it falls on Pence to clean up Trumps moronic positions.
 
Mr. Trump never said ban muslims, anyway.
 
These two are working like a well oiled machine now. What this is about is building the coalition, Trump is increasingly playing the role of statesman while his second does the political heavy lifting, but make no mistake, they are a team and Trump is in charge. This thread topic is a continuation of what we saw at the VP debate. They are trying to calm enough nerves so that they win. The people who love Trump will vote for him no matter what now, and we know we need a bigger team to win, and Trump has our permission to do what ever it takes to win. We would expect nothing less of him.
 
CriticalThought said:
Mike Pence Disavows Donald Trump’s Earlier Proposal Banning Muslims - The New York Times

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Two questions come to mind...

1. After months of Trump supporters defending this policy as "common sense", won't this lose him some support?

2. Is Pence now running this campaign? It seems very much like Trump is taking a back seat (at least where the media is concerned) and letting his VP shape a new narrative and moderate (or deny) his positions.
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The VP is the one with the political experience and is a Party Player, the GOP would much rather he be doing it himself.

I'm pretty sure the GOP has, in general, chalked this up as a loss and are looking at what they will do verses Hillary in 4 years time. Pence maybe trying to keep his political future alive as well by distancing himself slightly from Trump.
 
CriticalThought said:
Mike Pence Disavows Donald Trump’s Earlier Proposal Banning Muslims - The New York Times

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Two questions come to mind...

1. After months of Trump supporters defending this policy as "common sense", won't this lose him some support?

2. Is Pence now running this campaign? It seems very much like Trump is taking a back seat (at least where the media is concerned) and letting his VP shape a new narrative and moderate (or deny) his positions.
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Seriously - if you were the Trump campaign manager, who would you prefer to front your campaign?

Trump isn't capable of winning this campaign, while being the front-man for it in give & take speaking situations in the general public. That's why he got killed in the earlier debate, and likely will not help himself in the two remaining. He needs to stay in his echo-chamber controlled arenas, and occasionally let loose in extremely limited friendly territory like Hannity. Even Megan Kelley is too much for him, much less CNN or MSNBC!

His team knows this, which is why they are acting accordingly. No one has been able to get an interview with him for months.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
These two are working like a well oiled machine now. What this is about is building the coalition, Trump is increasingly playing the role of statesman while his second does the political heavy lifting, but make no mistake, they are a team and Trump is in charge. This thread topic is a continuation of what we saw at the VP debate. They are trying to calm enough nerves so that they win. The people who love Trump will vote for him no matter what now, and we know we need a bigger team to win, and Trump has our permission to do what ever it takes to win. We would expect nothing less of him.
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Were those 3 am tweets an example of Trump playing the 'statesman' role?
 
CriticalThought said:
Mike Pence Disavows Donald Trump’s Earlier Proposal Banning Muslims - The New York Times

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Two questions come to mind...

1. After months of Trump supporters defending this policy as "common sense", won't this lose him some support?

2. Is Pence now running this campaign? It seems very much like Trump is taking a back seat (at least where the media is concerned) and letting his VP shape a new narrative and moderate (or deny) his positions.
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Pence is trying to do the best of both words: save himself so he can continue to forge ahead in his own career, and create a softer image for conservatives who are fleeing from Donald because he's bat**** insane. His media training is coming through crystal clear: refuse to discuss what other people want to discuss and create his own narrative no matter what, just as he did during the debate.

From more than a few sources Trump is unhappy at being thrown under the bus while also being clearly upstaged at the debate, but if I had to guess I'd say Pence's philosophy in this situation is "every man for himself."

As for the attempt at softening Trump's image, it doesn't appear to be working. From what I'm gathering, while Kaine got his ass handed to him in the debate on style, Trump is losing the post-debate because it's clear that Pence was unable and unwilling to defend him.
 
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Any support Trump may loose on this is offset by the gains he makes.

A Trump supporter isn't voting Hillary or Johnson. They could possibly stay home, but for many the only acceptable thing about Trump is, he isn't Hillary. That point shouldn't be underestimated.

A softening of these more divisive points could draw support away from Johnson
 
Hawkeye10 said:
These two are working like a well oiled machine now. What this is about is building the coalition, Trump is increasingly playing the role of statesman while his second does the political heavy lifting, but make no mistake, they are a team and Trump is in charge. This thread topic is a continuation of what we saw at the VP debate. They are trying to calm enough nerves so that they win. The people who love Trump will vote for him no matter what now, and we know we need a bigger team to win, and Trump has our permission to do what ever it takes to win. We would expect nothing less of him.
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CORRECT...... Trump has had a plan from the beginning.... he understands there is no way to win a general election if one is too STRONG being anti abortion because women have been brainwashed so strongly on that issue.... He saw he COULD win a general election if people thinks he may be a fake conservative.... when he worked new york for his business he worked it to seem he is also a democrat so he could get the best deals ..... BUT he never was a democrat... that was simply to fool the democrats......

the media has brainwashed women so much that any conservative that shows a pure conservative he could not get elected..... pence could not get elected because of that same as ted cruz...

the media are globalists... they brainwash to get women to work for globalism and NOT work for their children .. so they brainwash the very worst thing ever in history the killing of over 70 million american young which now has caused a gigantic problem of a big imbalance of young to old...

any body running that is NOT a globalist the media will brainwash the unwise minds to think they are crazy.... they did the same with ross perot the last american nationalist

but the media may have reached TOO far trying to get more of the world to bring them more money.... them pushing muslims may finally wake up women and blacks and hispanics....and gays

BUT BUT how can an unwise mind not see the great harm ever is abortion... if they cannot see that harm there is NOTHING that they can see as harmful

the only solution is a wisdom test for voters and that is coming soon when the real power THE MEN demands states rights or secession will come and when 31 states separates they will make a wisdom test for their voters so that the unwise cannot out vote the wise....
 
His words....
"When I'm elected, I will suspend immigration from areas of the world where there is a proven history of terrorism against the United States, Europe or our allies until we fully understand how to end these threats."

FBI Director Comey's words...
“a number of people who were of serious concern slipped through the screening of Iraq War refugees, including two arrested on terrorism-related charges. There’s no doubt that was the product of a less than excellent vetting." Syrian refugees will be even harder to check because, unlike in Iraq, U.S. soldiers have not been on the ground collecting information on the local population. If we don’t know much about somebody, there won’t be anything in our data. I can’t sit here and offer anybody an absolute assurance that there’s no risk associated with this."

The Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952 "section 212(f)
"Whenever the president finds that the entry of aliens or of any class of aliens into the United States would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, the president may, by proclamation, and for such period as he shall deem necessary, suspend the entry of all aliens or any class of aliens as immigrants or non-immigrant's or impose on the entry of aliens any restrictions he may deem to be appropriate."

And Obama should be familiar with this. He has used it himself on several occasions.

Notice...he has never said all Muslims are evil and all Muslims want to kill us. He said that until we figure out what is going on we cant take risk. And NO ONE is stupid enough to deny that there is risk.
 
CriticalThought said:
Mike Pence Disavows Donald Trump’s Earlier Proposal Banning Muslims - The New York Times

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Two questions come to mind...

1. After months of Trump supporters defending this policy as "common sense", won't this lose him some support?

2. Is Pence now running this campaign? It seems very much like Trump is taking a back seat (at least where the media is concerned) and letting his VP shape a new narrative and moderate (or deny) his positions.
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It looks like Mike pence is trying to distance himself From Donald trump in order to prepare for the 2020 presidential race.
 
CriticalThought said:
Mike Pence Disavows Donald Trump’s Earlier Proposal Banning Muslims - The New York Times

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Two questions come to mind...

1. After months of Trump supporters defending this policy as "common sense", won't this lose him some support?

2. Is Pence now running this campaign? It seems very much like Trump is taking a back seat (at least where the media is concerned) and letting his VP shape a new narrative and moderate (or deny) his positions.
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1. Trump supporters aren't likely paying this much attention to what if anything Pence is saying. They could care less.

2. Trump does the big picture stuff. They released Pence for policy stuff. Seems to be Christie's doing with Kelly's blessing, but Pence seems like a liar now to anybody who is actually paying attention.
 
Cardinal said:
Pence is trying to do the best of both words: save himself so he can continue to forge ahead in his own career, and create a softer image for conservatives who are fleeing from Donald because he's bat**** insane. His media training is coming through crystal clear: refuse to discuss what other people want to discuss and create his own narrative no matter what, just as he did during the debate.

From more than a few sources Trump is unhappy at being thrown under the bus while also being clearly upstaged at the debate, but if I had to guess I'd say Pence's philosophy in this situation is "every man for himself."

As for the attempt at softening Trump's image, it doesn't appear to be working. From what I'm gathering, while Kaine got his ass handed to him in the debate on style, Trump is losing the post-debate because it's clear that Pence was unable and unwilling to defend him.
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the ONlY way pence could win is to cover up his strong stance against abortion

how can the most easy issue to understand that is the worst thing in history what we see are people brainwashed to not see that harm... then NOTHING can be done except to stop those unwise minds..... TRUMP has already won THE REAL POWER the men ... the white men... the law enforcement.. the military and the higher incomes which proves his supports are the MOST wise without the lower incomes of college grads with their ,monstrous debt

when was the last time in history that men did not become the winners??? when??

wake up trump has ALREADY WON... BECAUSE THE POLLS SHOWS A record HIGH MIS TRUST OF THE MEDIA.. the MEDIA will have the MEN stopping them ..... a wisdom test for voters is coming with the push BY THE MEN
 
Hawkeye10 said:
These two are working like a well oiled machine now. What this is about is building the coalition, Trump is increasingly playing the role of statesman while his second does the political heavy lifting, but make no mistake, they are a team and Trump is in charge. This thread topic is a continuation of what we saw at the VP debate. They are trying to calm enough nerves so that they win. The people who love Trump will vote for him no matter what now, and we know we need a bigger team to win, and Trump has our permission to do what ever it takes to win. We would expect nothing less of him.
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I disagree, at least partially - though Trump did try to spin Pence's widely perceived superior debate performance by claiming Pence showcased Trump's own administrative abilities.

But what I see, is: Trump being confined to playing to the hard-core Trump-base in the arenas under controlled conditions (where he can do less general audience harm), and Pence subsequently performing the statesman bit outside the echo-chamber (where Trump hasn't been succeeding). Pence is essentially functioning similar to the manner Kelly-Anne Conway functions, but with additional gravitas.

Trump does his thing in closed arenas for the hardcore audience, then Kelly-Anne goes to the more moderate media and explains to the general public that the video coming-out of the Trump venues isn't what it appears to be, and gives a more moderate explanation of what we're seeing. It's a unique M.O., something I've never seen before (to this extent), and I believe it arose out of necessity (due to Trump's inability or lack of desire to moderate or control himself). No idea if it will succeed.

But as to "well-oiled", Trump was off-the-rails last week causing himself very serious - perhaps grave - difficulties. Now if they all can stay to the script I described above though, I may acquiesce to their relationship being functionally distributed, but I have no idea how I'll characterize it's efficacy until I see it work for a sustained period of Time. Unfortunately, I have little hope of Trump doing anything with consistency over a sustained period of time.
 
SailaWay said:
CORRECT...... Trump has had a plan from the beginning.... he understands there is no way to win a general election if one is too STRONG being anti abortion because women have been brainwashed so strongly on that issue.... He saw he COULD win a general election if people thinks he may be a fake conservative.... when he worked new york for his business he worked it to seem he is also a democrat so he could get the best deals ..... BUT he never was a democrat... that was simply to fool the democrats......

the media has brainwashed women so much that any conservative that shows a pure conservative he could not get elected..... pence could not get elected because of that same as ted cruz...

the media are globalists... they brainwash to get women to work for globalism and NOT work for their children .. so they brainwash the very worst thing ever in history the killing of over 70 million american young which now has caused a gigantic problem of a big imbalance of young to old...

any body running that is NOT a globalist the media will brainwash the unwise minds to think they are crazy.... they did the same with ross perot the last american nationalist

but the media may have reached TOO far trying to get more of the world to bring them more money.... them pushing muslims may finally wake up women and blacks and hispanics....and gays

BUT BUT how can an unwise mind not see the great harm ever is abortion... if they cannot see that harm there is NOTHING that they can see as harmful

the only solution is a wisdom test for voters and that is coming soon when the real power THE MEN demands states rights or secession will come and when 31 states separates they will make a wisdom test for their voters so that the unwise cannot out vote the wise....
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Trump had a month by month plan last year, getting conservatives was part of it. He has spent a over year setting up the grand finale, and it needs to be spectacular.
 
ModerateGOP said:
1. Trump supporters aren't likely paying this much attention to what if anything Pence is saying. They could care less.

2. Trump does the big picture stuff. They released Pence for policy stuff. Seems to be Christie's doing with Kelly's blessing, but Pence seems like a liar now to anybody who is actually paying attention.
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I think this is reasonably accurate.

Along with the fact that Trump can't be trusted in the general public outside his echo-chamber, so the keep him limited to rallies and Hannity, with no press contact. Well - also he goes to the debates, but they're stuck there and I'm sure they wish they never agreed to them!
 
CriticalThought said:
Mike Pence Disavows Donald Trump’s Earlier Proposal Banning Muslims - The New York Times

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Two questions come to mind...

1. After months of Trump supporters defending this policy as "common sense", won't this lose him some support?

2. Is Pence now running this campaign? It seems very much like Trump is taking a back seat (at least where the media is concerned) and letting his VP shape a new narrative and moderate (or deny) his positions.
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I could be wrong, being blonde and all that. But didn't Pence come out against Trump's plan when Trump first Tweeted it all over the atmosphere? Maybe Pence, being the only smart one in that partnership, convinced the idiot at the top of the ticket that his idea was idiotic.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
Trump had a month by month plan last year, getting conservatives was part of it. He has spent a over year setting up the grand finale, and it needs to be spectacular.
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Trump also selected pence because pence is a gov .. and pence has a history of challenging the feds unlike other republican governors..... so the reason why he selected pence is trump got the REAL POWER .. with winning the MEN .. the white men in a landslide.. the law enforcement .. the military and all those people that has stopped voting

SO trump got the REAL POWER then he selects pence to help work demands by conservative governors and if states rights cannot come they can secede.... 31 states has already said NO to the refugee plan...

TRUMP selected pence to help with the states rights pressure on the feds and also help the governors work together to push
 
SailaWay said:
Trump also selected pence because pence is a gov .. and pence has a history of challenging the feds unlike other republican governors..... so the reason why he selected pence is trump got the REAL POWER .. with winning the MEN .. the white men in a landslide.. the law enforcement .. the military and all those people that has stopped voting

SO trump got the REAL POWER then he selects pence to help work demands by conservative governors and if states rights cannot come they can secede.... 31 states has already said NO to the refugee plan...

TRUMP selected pence to help with the states rights pressure on the feds and also help the governors work together to push
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White man power! Yeehaw!
 
SailaWay said:
Trump also selected pence because pence is a gov .. and pence has a history of challenging the feds unlike other republican governors..... so the reason why he selected pence is trump got the REAL POWER .. with winning the MEN .. the white men in a landslide.. the law enforcement .. the military and all those people that has stopped voting

SO trump got the REAL POWER then he selects pence to help work demands by conservative governors and if states rights cannot come they can secede.... 31 states has already said NO to the refugee plan...

TRUMP selected pence to help with the states rights pressure on the feds and also help the governors work together to push
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Sorry, but you're going to have to wait for a future administration and supreme court to repeal the 15th and 19th amendments.
 
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