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Mike Pence Disavows Donald Trump’s Earlier Proposal Banning Muslims

Trump also selected pence because pence is a gov .. and pence has a history of challenging the feds unlike other republican governors..... so the reason why he selected pence is trump got the REAL POWER .. with winning the MEN .. the white men in a landslide.. the law enforcement .. the military and all those people that has stopped voting

SO trump got the REAL POWER then he selects pence to help work demands by conservative governors and if states rights cannot come they can secede.... 31 states has already said NO to the refugee plan...

TRUMP selected pence to help with the states rights pressure on the feds and also help the governors work together to push

Trump did not have a large offering to pick from, but unlike Hillary he clearly was able to figure out which of his choices was the best.
 
I disagree, at least partially - though Trump did try to spin Pence's widely perceived superior debate performance by claiming Pence showcased Trump's own administrative abilities.

But what I see, is: Trump being confined to playing to the hard-core Trump-base in the arenas under controlled conditions (where he can do less general audience harm), and Pence subsequently performing the statesman bit outside the echo-chamber (where Trump hasn't been succeeding). Pence is essentially functioning similar to the manner Kelly-Anne Conway functions, but with additional gravitas.

Trump does his thing in closed arenas for the hardcore audience, then Kelly-Anne goes to the more moderate media and explains to the general public that the video coming-out of the Trump venues isn't what it appears to be, and gives a more moderate explanation of what we're seeing. It's a unique M.O., something I've never seen before (to this extent), and I believe it arose out of necessity (due to Trump's inability or lack of desire to moderate or control himself). No idea if it will succeed.

But as to "well-oiled", Trump was off-the-rails last week causing himself very serious - perhaps grave - difficulties. Now if they all can stay to the script I described above though, I may acquiesce to their relationship being functionally distributed, but I have no idea how I'll characterize it's efficacy until I see it work for a sustained period of Time. Unfortunately, I have little hope of Trump doing anything with consistency over a sustained period of time.

I said that the Pence/Trump relationship has become well oiled, they are on the same page and playing off of each other very well. Trump did not have a good week because he did not have a breakout debate and of course he is under withering assault from the elite, which he knew was coming though maybe he did not expect that the NY AG would come after his foundation....that could be a real problem depending upon how sloppy has been over they years with it. At this point Trump cant count on a judge deciding to not want to be part of the election by dealing with this weeks before the election as is the rule, a judge might decide that he has a duty to the nation to go the other way, to release info now that harms Trump because this is Trump. Trumps reason for being is that the elite dont do the job right and he can, if he was not doing the foundation right and this comes out in two weeks then he is probably done.
 
Mr. Trump never said ban muslims, anyway.


What you mean to say is he didn’t use the term “ban”. Instead, he used the term “disallow”. What Trump said was:

"I think that we should definitely disallow any Muslims from coming in. Any of them.”

Kind of like someone saying “Strike him.” Then it is commonly told that he ordered someone to hit the guy. Then good ol’ apdst comes along and says “He never said that”. You are some clever kinda stupid. Or is it stupid kinda clever. Is ban the same as disallow, or disallow the same as ban? I don't know. Maybe you can help.

Following the trail of your posts I can tell you are lame. Hold up and wait. I'm sending a shrink.
 
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What you mean to say is he didn’t use the term “ban”. Instead, he used the term “disallow”. What Trump said was:

"I think that we should definitely disallow any Muslims from coming in. Any of them.”

Kind of like someone saying “Strike him.” Then it is commonly told that he ordered someone to hit the guy. Then good ol’ apdst comes along and says “He never said that”. You are some clever kinda stupid. Or is it stupid kinda clever. Is ban the same as disallow, or disallow the same as ban. I guess you’re the expert.

Following the trail of your posts I can tell you are lame.

He didn't say that, either.
 
Trump is so mercurial his own people can say what they want to make him sound good for the moment. He can always alter his position the next time he speaks to sound right at that time and get away from facing the music for each moment as before. It won't change his rabid following, frothing foam mouthed to the end.
 
He didn't say that, either.


Is it a conspiracy among various news reporters that apparently heard and reported the same thing? I mean, a little more detail, please.
 
I noticed that whoever wrote that article for the New York Times, that once-great newspaper which is now is only a leftist rag, asserted that Trump's proposal was probably unconstitutional. Most of the people who have made this claim, either because they don't like America much more than Islamists do or because they are uninformed, seem to have based it on one of two grounds. The first is that excluding Muslim aliens solely on the basis of their religion would violate the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment; and the second is that it would violate Article VI, cl. 3's prohibition against making a religious test a qualification for federal officials.

It's hard to say which of these is more contrived or laughable. I don't think Trump's original proposal would be a wise policy, but whether it would violate anything in the Constitution is another question. It would not. The notion that Congress doesn't have authority to make a law to exclude aliens from U.S. territory purely on the basis of their religion is nonsense. The Supreme Court has made clear, more than once, that there is no other field in which it defers more strongly to the other two branches than in matters of alienage. The American people, acting through their elected congressmen, can exclude any alien, for any reason whatever, at any time they please, without having to justify it to anyone. Alien nationals who have never entered U.S. territory do not enjoy any right the Constitution of the U.S. protects against government regulation.
 
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There is a list a mile long of things Trump has said that were impractical, improbable, idiotic, unworkable or flat out unconstitutional. Since Trump seems to lack any ability to ever admit he was wrong about something, it falls on Pence to clean up Trumps moronic positions.

Such chaos, discord. Imagine what the Trump administration would look like if, God forbid, he became President.
 
I noticed that whoever wrote that article for the New York Times, that once-great newspaper which is now just a leftist rag which has often printed lies, asserted that Trump's proposal was probably unconstitutional. Most of the people who have made this claim, either because they feel sympathy for Islamists or are simply ignorant, seem to have based it on one of two grounds. The first is that excluding Muslim aliens solely on the basis of their religion would violate the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment; and the second is that it would violate Article VI, cl. 3's prohibition against making a religious test a qualification for federal officials.

It's hard to say which of these is more preposterous. I don't think Trump's original proposal would be a wise policy, but whether it would violate anything in the Constitution is another question. It would not. The notion that Congress doesn't have authority to make a law to exclude aliens from U.S. territory purely on the basis of their religion is just plain false. The Supreme Court has made clear, more than once, that there is no other field in which it defers more strongly to the other two branches as in matters of alienage. The American people, acting through their elected congressmen, can exclude any alien, for any reason, at any time they please, without having to justify it to anyone.

The NYT's has fully become a full member of the Corporate Class Propaganda Machine. Time will tell if the American people are smart enough to distinguish propaganda, but on some level it does not matter. I once noticed a decent long term study on Soviet Propaganda, and the findings were than even though nearly 100% of the people who looked at it knew that it was propaganda it still had some of the effect that its creators wanted it to have. Between stupid citizens and "journalists" who no longer even bother to pretend that they are doing journalism it is hard for me to see how America heals and moves forwards.
 
Trump also selected pence because pence is a gov .. and pence has a history of challenging the feds unlike other republican governors..... so the reason why he selected pence is trump got the REAL POWER .. with winning the MEN .. the white men in a landslide.. the law enforcement .. the military and all those people that has stopped voting

SO trump got the REAL POWER then he selects pence to help work demands by conservative governors and if states rights cannot come they can secede.... 31 states has already said NO to the refugee plan...

TRUMP selected pence to help with the states rights pressure on the feds and also help the governors work together to push

REAL POWR.
MEN.
REAL POWER.
TRUMP.

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That is your post.
 
His words....
"When I'm elected, I will suspend immigration from areas of the world where there is a proven history of terrorism against the United States, Europe or our allies until we fully understand how to end these threats."

FBI Director Comey's words...
“a number of people who were of serious concern slipped through the screening of Iraq War refugees, including two arrested on terrorism-related charges. There’s no doubt that was the product of a less than excellent vetting." Syrian refugees will be even harder to check because, unlike in Iraq, U.S. soldiers have not been on the ground collecting information on the local population. If we don’t know much about somebody, there won’t be anything in our data. I can’t sit here and offer anybody an absolute assurance that there’s no risk associated with this."

The Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952 "section 212(f)
"Whenever the president finds that the entry of aliens or of any class of aliens into the United States would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, the president may, by proclamation, and for such period as he shall deem necessary, suspend the entry of all aliens or any class of aliens as immigrants or non-immigrant's or impose on the entry of aliens any restrictions he may deem to be appropriate."

And Obama should be familiar with this. He has used it himself on several occasions.

Notice...he has never said all Muslims are evil and all Muslims want to kill us. He said that until we figure out what is going on we cant take risk. And NO ONE is stupid enough to deny that there is risk.

So the premise of his entire policy rested on the notion that Muslims as a group pose such a significant risk to national security that all immigration of that group needed to be stopped until that risk could be further assessed.

There have been 380 foriegn born terrorist convicted in the United States since 9-11, and of that group, about half are Muslim. In that same time frame there was over 1 million Muslim migrants. So as I understand it, you and Trump believe we should suspend immigration for all Muslims even though they represent a risk of less than .0002%? Helping untold thousands of children and suffering does not offset that risk? Where did you guys learn math? And should I use that level of risk to suggest other policies?
 
So the premise of his entire policy rested on the notion that Muslims as a group pose such a significant risk to national security that all immigration of that group needed to be stopped until that risk could be further assessed.

There have been 380 foriegn born terrorist convicted in the United States since 9-11, and of that group, about half are Muslim. In that same time frame there was over 1 million Muslim migrants. So as I understand it, you and Trump believe we should suspend immigration for all Muslims even though they represent a risk of less than .0002%? Helping untold thousands of children and suffering does not offset that risk? Where did you guys learn math? And should I use that level of risk to suggest other policies?

Actually the premise rested on the administrations foolish decision to bring in 65,000 refugees that by their own security officials declaration cannot be properly vetted and the likely next presidents announcement to dwarf that number.


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So Mr. Trump lied when he said he called for a ban after San Bernardino? Damn, that man lies so much he even lies about himself.

He never called for a ban on muslims. Get your own facts straight.
 
Mr. Trump never said ban muslims, anyway.

The exact wording of the press statement Trump made, which he personally read out loud to a crowd of supporters as well was

"Donald J Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure out what the hell is going on."

I will be interested to see if you can spin that away. :)

 
His words....
"When I'm elected, I will suspend immigration from areas of the world where there is a proven history of terrorism against the United States, Europe or our allies until we fully understand how to end these threats."
Donald Trump: Ban all Muslim travel to U.S. - CNNPolitics.com

(CNN)Republican presidential front-runner Donald Trump called Monday for barring all Muslims from entering the United States.
"Donald J. Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure out what is going on," a campaign press release said.
Many Muslim countries have had terror attacks. So face the reality of what he said. all Muslims
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2015/12/07/e56266f6-9d2b-11e5-8728-1af6af208198_story.html
Like most of the ideas Trump has floated, the proposal is both far-reaching and vague, raising numerous questions that his aides declined to answer Monday: Which Muslims would be included in the ban? How would they be identified? Would the U.S. bar American-born citizens who practice Islam and are returning from an overseas trip? What about holders of green cards visiting family overseas, or wealthy Middle Eastern businessmen journeying to the United States to finalize a deal?

Trump’s campaign manager, Corey Lewandowski, told the Associated Press that the ban would apply to “everybody” but did not elaborate. Later, Trump said in an interview on Fox News that the ban would not apply to Muslim members of the military or “people living in the country.

Notice...he has never said all Muslims are evil and all Muslims want to kill us. He said that until we figure out what is going on we cant take risk. And NO ONE is stupid enough to deny that there is risk.
You cannot stop a terrorist from perpetrating an act.
 
Is it a conspiracy among various news reporters that apparently heard and reported the same thing? I mean, a little more detail, please.

Quote Mr. Trump saying he would ban all Muslims.
 
The exact wording of the press statement Trump made, which he personally read out loud to a crowd of supporters as well was

"Donald J Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure out what the hell is going on."

I will be interested to see if you can spin that away. :)



Say that again? I dare you to repeat it. Double dog dare ya...lol
 
Donald Trump: Ban all Muslim travel to U.S. - CNNPolitics.com


Many Muslim countries have had terror attacks. So face the reality of what he said. all Muslims
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2015/12/07/e56266f6-9d2b-11e5-8728-1af6af208198_story.html



You cannot stop a terrorist from perpetrating an act.

Not true. This administration has had success doing just that. Intel agencies and government agencies around the globe combat terrorism and prevent terrorists from committing acts of terror all the time.

I think you meant you can't stop ALL terrorist attacks and I would agree.

But what you would have to be completely ****ing stupid to do would be to intentionally bring in 65,000 + improperly vetted potential terrorists. I mean seriously. Knowing your own intel agencies have said they can't properly vet the refugees, what kind of ****ing moron would go ahead and bring them in anyway?


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Ok. You tell me what Trump says at the 0:40 mark.

He said "muslim entering the country". That doesn't sound to me like he said he wants to ban muslims.

Careful with the lies and the spin. It'll come back to bite you
 
He said "muslim entering the country". That doesn't sound to me like he said he wants to ban muslims.

Careful with the lies and the spin. It'll come back to bite you

That is what the OP is referring to. Banning Muslims from entering the country.
 
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