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Holman prison officers stage fresh strike as violent conditions worsen

Thoreau72 said:
The case I was referring to was in a snail mail story I recently read. At this moment, can't remember which magazine.

Tennessee man, third strike was growing pot in his own house. No guns, no violence, but growing pot.

Because it was the third time down, he received a minimum mandatory, 15 years.

Is that sentence violence itself?
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In the case you cited? No. It sounds like the sentence is warranted as the previous punishments werent significant enough to rehabilitate or prevent repeat offense. How many times would you have him arrested and sentenced and held then released and arrested, sentenced, held, and then released and then arrested and sentenced and held then released and arrested, sentenced, held, and then released?
 
Thoreau72 said:
The case I was referring to was in a snail mail story I recently read. At this moment, can't remember which magazine.

Tennessee man, third strike was growing pot in his own house. No guns, no violence, but growing pot.

Because it was the third time down, he received a minimum mandatory, 15 years.

Is that sentence violence itself?
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Did he know that if he got burned a third time that he was going to prison for 15 years?
 
VanceMack said:
In the case you cited? No. It sounds like the sentence is warranted as the previous punishments werent significant enough to rehabilitate or prevent repeat offense. How many times would you have him arrested and sentenced and held then released and arrested, sentenced, held, and then released and then arrested and sentenced and held then released and arrested, sentenced, held, and then released?
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You're quite right VM, they should have tortured his ass, Trump style, to teach him to obey their authority.
 
apdst said:
Did he know that if he got burned a third time that he was going to prison for 15 years?
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Probably not, but he does now. Right?

Who gives a damn about justice. All that matters is retribution and the prison population, no matter the price to the tax payers.
 
Thoreau72 said:
You're quite right VM, they should have tortured his ass, Trump style, to teach him to obey their authority.
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Why torture? Do you think prison is torture? What is prison for? Are you normally prone to hysterics?
 
Thoreau72 said:
Probably not, but he does now. Right?

Who gives a damn about justice. All that matters is retribution and the prison population, no matter the price to the tax payers.
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Justice. What are prisons for? What is the sentence for repeat offenders? Should they just say "well...you know...**** it. I guess since he is going to keep doing it we should stop arresting him"?
 
VanceMack said:
Why torture? Do you think prison is torture? What is prison for? Are you normally prone to hysterics?
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I'm not hysterical, but I can be sarcastic.

Embracing the spirit and letter of the 8th Amendment, and in the spirit of what Thoreau told his friend while serving a sentence for tax charges, no I don't think prison is necessarily torture, but under certain circumstances it could be.
 
VanceMack said:
Justice. What are prisons for? What is the sentence for repeat offenders? Should they just say "well...you know...**** it. I guess since he is going to keep doing it we should stop arresting him"?
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What are prisons for? Let's go slightly off topic.

I would say that one good purpose of prison would be to keep dangerous people separate from society, assuming one is against the death penalty.

Another might be to allow punishment for legal transgressions in a civilized manner.

How about you? Any thoughts?
 
Thoreau72 said:
I'm not hysterical, but I can be sarcastic.

Embracing the spirit and letter of the 8th Amendment, and in the spirit of what Thoreau told his friend while serving a sentence for tax charges, no I don't think prison is necessarily torture, but under certain circumstances it could be.
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So priison isnt torture, and you cited an individual that was thrice convicted of possession of drugs (at least-and what are the odds he was growing drugs in his home for fun and profit?). And you are freaking out over his sentence...why?
 
VanceMack said:
So priison isnt torture, and you cited an individual that was thrice convicted of possession of drugs (at least-and what are the odds he was growing drugs in his home for fun and profit?). And you are freaking out over his sentence...why?
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I gave up 'freaking out' about 40 years ago.

Do you consider all public comments 'freaking out'?
 
Thoreau72 said:
What are prisons for? Let's go slightly off topic.

I would say that one good purpose of prison would be to keep dangerous people separate from society, assuming one is against the death penalty.

Another might be to allow punishment for legal transgressions in a civilized manner.

How about you? Any thoughts?
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Punishment for criminal activity and as a means of preserving/protecting society. 3x arrested and convicted for drugs...15 years seems about right to me.
 
Thoreau72 said:
Probably not, but he does now. Right?

Who gives a damn about justice. All that matters is retribution and the prison population, no matter the price to the tax payers.
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You mean, he had no idea that if he got convicted a third time that he would do serious time?
 
Thoreau72 said:
Probably not, but he does now. Right?

Who gives a damn about justice. All that matters is retribution and the prison population, no matter the price to the tax payers.
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If he had been down twice before and was dealing with the court and lawyers, it is highly doubtful he didn't know the thrid time would be the charm.
 
Thanks for the input, gents.
 
Thoreau72 said:
I gave up 'freaking out' about 40 years ago.

Do you consider all public comments 'freaking out'?
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Public comments that equate a prison sentence for a 3 time offender as 'torture? Yeah...that comes across as freaking out a bit.
 
danarhea said:
On September 9, Inmates in 26 states all went on strike over the issue of slavery, and they are still on strike. In the last few days, correctional officers have joined the strike, but in a few prisons, it's for different reasons. At Holman Prison in Alabama, it's because working conditions for guards have become too dangerous. Guards are being killed by the inmates, and even a warden has been stabbed, although he did survive, and he retired shortly thereafter. The attrition rate for guards there is now 60%.

I have very mixed feelings about the prisoner strike. On one hand, the Constitution outlaws slave labor, which is what inmates at many institutions have become. On the other hand, although the inmates may be right to go on strike, they are not winning anybody over with their violent behavior.

IMHO, If you are a slave in prison, and all you do is peacefully refuse to work, then I am on your side. Many prisons, especially the corporate-run for profit ones, are nothing more than plantations which should be shut down. However, if inmates somehow believe that violence and murder are the answers to their dilemma, then I have no pity whatsoever for them or their cause.

Discussion?

Holman prison officers stage fresh strike as violent conditions worsen | AL.com
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Well, I would point out that most prisoners in most prisons volunteer for work details/jobs, it pass the time and they often get more time outside. The God Awful prisons out there need to be cleaned up or shut down and the prisoners moved to other facilities.
 
VanceMack said:
Public comments that equate a prison sentence for a 3 time offender as 'torture? Yeah...that comes across as freaking out a bit.
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Where did I equate a prison sentence as torture? My goodness you are desperate putting words in my mouth. Are u freaking out? :lamo

I think you brought up torture, and I gave a philosophical answer.

Take a chill pill VM, lest you blow a 50 amp fuse.
 
Thoreau72 said:
Where did I equate a prison sentence as torture? My goodness you are desperate putting words in my mouth. Are u freaking out? :lamo

I think you brought up torture, and I gave a philosophical answer.

Take a chill pill VM, lest you blow a 50 amp fuse.
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When discussing a fair prison sentence for a 3 time offender, YOUR response...."You're quite right VM, they should have tortured his ass, Trump style, to teach him to obey their authority."

YOU brought up torture.
 
VanceMack said:
When discussing a fair prison sentence for a 3 time offender, YOUR response...."You're quite right VM, they should have tortured his ass, Trump style, to teach him to obey their authority."

YOU brought up torture.
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My bad, I wrongly assumed you would understand it to be sarcasm. Bad assumption on my part, the sarcasm was too subtle for you to grasp.
 
Since you emphasize this twice, let me correct: The constitution outlaws slavery "except as punishment for crimes committed"

Now, there are thousands of innocent people convicted every year. For them it is unconstitutional. For the guilty ones, evidently not

Although i think our laws and sentencing, particularly when it comes to drugs, are so ****ed that many of the guilty ones should not be subjected to that either

Let me also say, although i object heavily to *for profit* forced labor of prisoners (possibility of corruption plus it can put citizens out of work like in "shawshank"), this is not traditional slavery. These prisoners on 'strike' can just sit in their cell. They (i'm assuming) don't get whipped or starved or killed
 
Thoreau72 said:
My bad, I wrongly assumed you would understand it to be sarcasm. Bad assumption on my part, the sarcasm was too subtle for you to grasp.
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Or your attempt was just stupid. Could have been the fact that you were wetting yourself from the get go over an anecdotal case that you maybe remember but not really and dont really know what the case was about but by golly...it was unfair!
 
VanceMack said:
Or your attempt was just stupid. Could have been the fact that you were wetting yourself from the get go over an anecdotal case that you maybe remember but not really and dont really know what the case was about but by golly...it was unfair!
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It appears you get hung up over 'freaking out' and 'wetting yourself', eh?
 
Thoreau72 said:
It appears you get hung up over 'freaking out' and 'wetting yourself', eh?
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When I see supposed 'adults' doing it, it is rather unseemly, so...yes...I suppose thats a fair critique.
 
Common Sense 1 said:
Boy this is a novel one....... You are legally sentenced to prison and now it's being called slavery.
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Has more to do with the lack of choice and lack of compensation. This actually fits the definition of slavery. It doesn't matter *why* you are in that position

The only difference i see is those who refuse and stay in their cells aren't (supposedly) beaten or killed, which a slave in ancient times or antebellum south would be
 
chromium said:
Has more to do with the lack of choice and lack of compensation. This actually fits the definition of slavery. It doesn't matter *why* you are in that position

The only difference i see is those who refuse and stay in their cells aren't (supposedly) beaten or killed, which a slave in ancient times or antebellum south would be
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Why do they have a lack of choice? because they were sentenced to prison for some type of criminal activity. It's got nothing to do with slavery.
 
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