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ajn678 said:

There are plenty of people in positions like this that vote for Republicans because they believe their tax systems are what is best for the country. Voting isn't supposed to be "what is the most I can get out of the government?". I know thats a common Liberal idea, but if everyone voted hoping to get the most out of their government instead of themselves. there would be nothing left to go around.

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i never said a word about 'getting the most I can out of government'. I said blue collar people who support the right wing and Republicans vote against their own economic self interest. In the case of Trump and other businessmen - it means the implementation of The Golden Rule..... "he who some has the gold writes the rules". And they write the rules to benefit themselves and screw the average person. And when the average person supports those who do that - they are voting against their own self interest

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ajn678 said:

There are plenty of people in positions like this that vote for Republicans because they believe their tax systems are what is best for the country.

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They believe that themselves paying Fed. taxes while Trump and Corps. like GE do NOT is 'best for the country'? Sorry, that's a bunch of nonsense.

It's politics. And by blindly following the Republican political doctrine of giving the rich almost unlimited tax breaks, the working class Republicans are cutting their own throats. see Kansas and Louisiana.

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SenorXm/Sirius said:

Actually many people are pissed off that they don't pay taxes either. Along with IBM and many other Corps.

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Who? Not liberals -- they love GE.

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Josie said:

Who? Not liberals -- they love GE.

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They do? Not any liberal I know. The people on the right cheer and defend these corps who hide their profits overseas so they don't have to pay taxes here. Not people on the left.

Just like this Trump tax business. Who's defending him not paying taxes? who's calling him 'smart' for not paying taxes?

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danarhea said:

So Trump intentionally lost one billion dollars? LMAO. This is probably the most awesome spin I have ever read or heard in my entire life. You need to get into politics.

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Why is that hard to believe? Lose 1 billion of investor's money so you can sail tax free for 20 years? Doesn't sound improbable.

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SenorXm/Sirius said:

Actually many people are pissed off that they don't pay taxes either. Along with IBM and many other Corps.

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So pissed off that they are going to DO something about it, right? Do something. Like vote for more of the same....I mean, Hillarious Clinton.

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KevinKohler said:

So pissed off that they are going to DO something about it, right? Do something. Like vote for more of the same....I mean, Hillarious Clinton.

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But...but....but.... Hillary. lol

But anyway I KNOW Clinton would be more open to raising taxes than any Republican will. Not that it will happen even with a Dem in the WH. Remember the Republicans in Congress are beholding to a man who's not even elected to ANY office. Grover Norquist.. So maybe the Republican base should direct their outrage at him and the Republican politicians beholding to him ...

But they won't because as I mentioned. Politics!

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Josie said:

Who? Not liberals -- they love GE.

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why would they love GE?

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SenorXm/Sirius said:

But...but....but.... Hillary. lol

But anyway I KNOW Clinton would be more open to raising taxes than any Republican will. Not that it will happen even with a Dem in the WH. Remember the Republicans in Congress are beholding to a man who's not even elected to ANY office. Grover Norquist.. So maybe you should you should start there.

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I'm of the mind that I am no longer going to vote for more of the same, and I'm tired of getting my hopes up with third parties. I think Trump will be a disaster....in fact, I'm counting on it.

Thinking we can change this country with votes is, IMO, failed logic. We have to change the thought process of the folks CASTING those votes. Hillary isn't going to do that. It's glaringly obvious that she will be the new boss, just like all the old bosses before her. Trump, on the other hand, might just be different. Maybe in a bad way. At this point, that a risk I'm willing to take.

I'm not thinking of the next 4 or 8 years. I'm thinking of my 7 year old daughter and 5 year old son, who basically have lives in exciting careers in retail or some other service market, because that's looking like it's going to be the only game left in town in 20 years.


Something has to change. That's a fact I doubt you'll argue. So, the question. With whom do you think real change will come? Trump or Hillary? Sometimes you gotta take a few loses, a few hits, a few bad boss visits or reviews, to shake you out of a routine. Do you agree?

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haymarket said:

Trumps entire premise is that he is a wildly successful businessman whose skills have made him incredibly wealthy and he will apply those same smarts and skills to running the White House. Many have long argued that unless he reveals his tax information, that premise will always be suspect to being second guessed and outright questioned as without actual foundation. Now, this NY Times investigation, shows that at one time he was one of the worst business people in the nation and it is that terrible record that has permitted him to avoid federal income taxes at the same time the little peons who work for him pay and pay and pay year after year after year.

Trump , besides being a racist and a sexist and a mysogonist and a xenophobe and an authoritarian and a bully and a serial liar is now shown to be a lousy business person as well.

Its a house of cards that has been swept away by the gale of truth.

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Do you think, for a split second, that any of those dis-qualifiers amount to a hill of beans for a Trump supporter? Especially for the "basket" case Trump supporter?

Trump is the poster child of most everything that is wrong with America. His "hardcore" followers are what's wrong with America. The under-belly of American society.

Never did I realize there was so many of them. I am just grateful that there aren't enough of them to put someone in the White House. There is still hope.

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reinoe said:

I don't care if Trump paid no taxes. I care more about how much he donated to charity and which charities he donated to receive his gifts. And if Trump intentionally lost nearly 1 bill so that he could avoid taxes then that's really clever. I didn't even know your losses in one your could carry over for so long. That's some clever accounting by Trump if it's true.

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The fact you didn't know losses can be carried over identifies the primary problem with this tax return issue.

The average person doesn't have a clue what tax rules apply to income and losses, and what a tax return actually shows.

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Militant_Vegan_ said:

why would they love GE?

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GE owned NBC, MSNBC, Telemundo and many other left-leaning networks. The CEO Immelt was part of Obama's administration.

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Unitedwestand13 said:

I think it has something to do with the middle class projecting their aspirations onto those of the upper class because that is where they desire to be.

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I believe this is correct.

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KevinKohler said:

I'm of the mind that I am no longer going to vote for more of the same, and I'm tired of getting my hopes up with third parties. I think Trump will be a disaster....in fact, I'm counting on it.

Thinking we can change this country with votes is, IMO, failed logic. We have to change the thought process of the folks CASTING those votes. Hillary isn't going to do that. It's glaringly obvious that she will be the new boss, just like all the old bosses before her. Trump, on the other hand, might just be different. Maybe in a bad way. At this point, that a risk I'm willing to take.

I'm not thinking of the next 4 or 8 years. I'm thinking of my 7 year old daughter and 5 year old son, who basically have lives in exciting careers in retail or some other service market, because that's looking like it's going to be the only game left in town in 20 years.


Something has to change. That's a fact I doubt you'll argue. So, the question. With whom do you think real change will come? Trump or Hillary? Sometimes you gotta take a few loses, a few hits, a few bad boss visits or reviews, to shake you out of a routine. Do you agree?

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I am 100% sure our political system is broken. I've said a million times over the past 15+ years that money in politics will be the death of this country. A politician can NOT have 2 masters and serve them both. And over the past couple of decades our politicians 'masters' have been BIG money and lobbyists with that BIG money. So the working guy, the little guy in the country has been crapped on. Big money now runs our country, just about from top to bottom.

So yes the system needs to change. It's broken. BUT Trump's not the guy to fix it. He's not the guy, he's not a bad boss, he's the worse boss ever!! There's MUCH better people out there, much better non-politicians out there to look to send a FU message to the elite.

Looking to Trump, who is a rich, pampered, greedy elitist to send that FU message to the other rich, pampered, greedy elitists is the wrong way to go.

And I'm not even mentioning his temperament which is so bad he shouldn't be anywhere near the nuke launch codes. There's important issues in our country that need addressing, like immigration and jobs. But a more important issue is we're talking about a thin skinned egomaniac with his finger on the nuke button? You got children, so do I. Having someone like Trump near the nuke button can not be allowed. That's far more dangerous for our future then the job issue or immigration.

So no, i can not support someone like Donald Trump. I can not vote for change just for the sake of change. Not when that change involves someone like Trump.

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Josie said:

GE also pays nothing in income taxes. Anyone going after them? Of course not. Gotta love American partisan politics.

If you don't like the legal loopholes in the tax codes, then make it as simple as possible. How much did you make? There's your tax percentage - pay the government. Simple - one page.

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I have been aware of that, and I don't like that either, but GE is not in the news right now and that's why no one is "going after them".

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Josie said:

GE owned NBC, MSNBC, Telemundo and many other left-leaning networks. The CEO Immelt was part of Obama's administration.

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So? We're talking about Corps' not paying Fed taxes. ZERO.. You're pointing to the wrong side of the aisle. I don't know a single liberal who defends GE not paying taxes, no matter what they own or where their CEO works.

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SenorXm/Sirius said:

I am 100% sure our political system is broken. I've said a million times over the past 15+ years that money in politics will be the death of this country. A politician can NOT have 2 masters and serve them both. And over the past couple of decades our politicians 'masters' have been BIG money and lobbyists with that BIG money. So the working guy, the little guy in the country has been crapped on. Big money now runs our country, just about from top to bottom.

So yes the system needs to change. It's broken. BUT Trump's not the guy to fix it. He's not the guy, he's not a bad boss, he's the worse boss ever!! There's MUCH better people out there, much better non-politicians out there to look to send a FU message to the elite.

Looking to Trump, who is a rich, pampered, greedy elitist to send that FU message to the other rich, pampered, greedy elitists is the wrong way to go.

And I'm not even mentioning his temperament which is so bad he shouldn't be anywhere near the nuke launch codes. There's important issues in our country that need addressing, like immigration and jobs. But a more important issue is we're talking about a thin skinned egomaniac with his finger on the nuke button? You got children, so do I. Having someone like Trump near the nuke button can not be allowed. That's far more dangerous for our future then the job issue or immigration.

So no, i can not support someone like Donald Trump. I can not vote for change just for the sake of change. Not when that change involves someone like Trump.

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You listen to too much hyperbole. You realize The president can't launch nukes, right? And if there are so many better candidates out there, where are they this election? What happened to them?

As for sending the wealthy elite a big middle finger....seems to me, they all HATE trump.


Why do you think that is? I means, the revulsion that Wall Street and other big Corp power players displayed at the prospect of Trump for president months back is the main reason I got behind him in the first place.

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Captain America said:

Do you think, for a split second, that any of those dis-qualifiers amount to a hill of beans for a Trump supporter? Especially for the "basket" case Trump supporter?

Trump is the poster child of most everything that is wrong with America. His "hardcore" followers are what's wrong with America. The under-belly of American society.

Never did I realize there was so many of them. I am just grateful that there aren't enough of them to put someone in the White House. There is still hope.

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I think you are partly right about some of the Trump supporters. The basket of deplorable types - the ones who hate government to start with - who view taxes as theft - they probably see not a damn thing wrong with Trump doing this. So that might get him up to 35 % of the vote. Those people will stick with him and he knows as as he said by the shooting somebody on Fifth Avenue infamous quip.

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SenorXm/Sirius said:

So? We're talking about Corps' not paying Fed taxes. ZERO.. You're pointing to the wrong side of the aisle. I don't know a single liberal who defends GE not paying taxes, no matter what they own or where their CEO works.

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Then it's faux outrage.

This is what I'm talking about.

A CEO who has ties to a political party in power for a company that pays no taxes, a major corporation that owns several news outlets that have come out against Trump, which also pays no taxes, lol? And it's not problem.



Because we're talking about trump right now.


LOL.

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danarhea said:

So Trump intentionally lost one billion dollars? LMAO. This is probably the most awesome spin I have ever read or heard in my entire life. You need to get into politics.

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I saw that too.
Only a Trumpster could pretend losing a billion dollars proves Trump is the greatestest buisnessman ever.
:lamo

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KevinKohler said:

And if there are so many better candidates out there, where are they this election? What happened to them?

As for sending the wealthy elite a big middle finger....seems to me, they all HATE trump.

Why do you think that is? I means, the revulsion that Wall Street and other big Corp power players displayed at the prospect of Trump for president months back is the main reason I got behind him in the first place.

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If you think the DC and NYC rich hate Trump, then you are the 1 who needs to lay off the hyperbole. Because of his temperament, his foreign policies, and possible trades wars, etc they are nervous about a possible Trump presidency. But they like him, and the LOVE tax policies. They love his greed. The man has gold plated bathrooms. He brags about his wealth and style of living daily. HE IS ONE OF THEM!!

The president can't launch nukes,

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And yes I know he can't sit there and push the nuke button. But he is thin skinned, and he can never like anything go attitude can easily get us into a war. He's up all night tweeting insults about her weight at a Miss Universe? A man running for prez caring what a Miss Universe said about him? lol

I can imagine how he'll react when the little fat guy in North Korea says something bad about a President Trump.

He's dangerous.

\Have a nice day.

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KevinKohler said:

Then it's faux outrage.

This is what I'm talking about.

A CEO who has ties to a political party in power for a company that pays no taxes, a major corporation that owns several news outlets that have come out against Trump, which also pays no taxes, lol? And it's not problem.



Because we're talking about trump right now.


LOL.

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GE hasn't paid taxes LOOOOOONG before Obama. And I'm only talking about GE because someone else brought them up. IBM has no ties to this Admin, they also do NOT pay taxes. 1 year Exxon Mobile made $19 bil in profit., they paid no tax on that profit.

I mentioned the whole system is broken. Both sides. But I can see with you, and others here it is all about politics. I blasted Obama plenty of times for appointing morons like this GE CEO and idiots like Larry Summers to his Admin.

The rich and Corps. using tax loopholes for their benefit went on before Obama. But you want to make this political and just blame him and Clinton.

You don't want change. You just want anyone with an (R) after his name in the WH. Even someone as dangerous as Trump.

Again, have a nice day.

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SenorXm/Sirius said:

I worked for 40 years. I paid Fed Income Taxes for 40 years. If Trump isn't paying Fed taxes and I, and millions of other workers did it isn't because Trump is 'smarter', it's because he can afford an army of accountants and tax lawyers who are smart and know the tax loopholes to keep Trump from paying taxes.

The love affair the Republican Working Middle Class has for the rich in this country never ceases to amaze me. They defend the rich getting richer by not paying taxes, which means those same working MC people are cutting their own throats. The less taxes rich people like Trump pay means the more in taxes the MC has to pay and the more MC services will be cut.

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With respect, the taxes collected seem to have very little to do with the money spent by the feds.

You seem to imply that the choice in this election is between a hard working middle class "everyman" and a rich and privileged opponent.

They are both rich and privileged. They are both crooks. One has followed the law to exploit the loop holes that are there. The other has exploited position and privilege to avoid prosecution using the corrupt mechanics of the Democrat political machine.

One has promised to increase your taxes while the other has promised to cut them.

Just trying to help out your thought process.

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Quag said:

I saw that too.
Only a Trumpster could pretend losing a billion dollars proves Trump is the greatestest buisnessman ever.
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Which negates his only claim of anything positive to be able to run the nation. In point of fact he was such an awful business person that he lost over 900 million dollars in just a single year. As a businessman he sucks bigtime.

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Bush also promised "no new taxes, read his lips" dumb gewbs