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Senate Votes to Override President Obama's Veto of 9/11 Bill[W:145]

Re: Congress Votes to Override Obama Veto on 9/11 Victims Bill

spud_meister said:
Problem is, Saudi Arabia didn't play a direct part in the attacks. If this is successful, it opens up the US to responsibility for the actions of the proxy forces it has funded and enabled.
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Well the Saudis didnt directly participate, but its been clear that their Wahhabist schools they are funding have been fomenting extremism and intolerance worldwide, including influencing their own citizens, so they need to be taken to task. As far as the US role in fomenting terror, well that needs to be addressed too.
 
Re: Congress Votes to Override Obama Veto on 9/11 Victims Bill

Barack Obama showed his contempt for the American people and I'm glad Congress finally did something about it.
 
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spud_meister said:
Problem is, Saudi Arabia didn't play a direct part in the attacks. If this is successful, it opens up the US to responsibility for the actions of the proxy forces it has funded and enabled.
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I'm glad.
 
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Higgins86 said:
Accidental bombings of hospitals, I mean this opens up families to sue the US for friendly fire deaths as well.
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Last I checked accidents in a war zone are not terrorism. If we are counting that as terrorism then every single country that has gone to war is guilty of it. Which makes it rather pointless
 
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Higgins86 said:
I mean if your lying in a hospital and it gets bombed you probably would have a different opinion. Depends on your interpretation of that law which is exactly the problem.
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No terrorism has an actual definition. An accident in a war zone does not meet that definition no matter how much you wish to make the US look bad.
 
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That was ill-advised. The U.S is by far the most vulnerable country on the face of the earth to such a legal standard, yet it somehow decided to set it. Besides, I highly doubt the overwhelming bipartisan support of the bill had patriotism in mind. As elected officials, senators and congressmen had no choice but to vote in favor of the bill, as they didn't want to be seen defying such an emotionally-charged bill.
 
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spud_meister said:
Problem is, Saudi Arabia didn't play a direct part in the attacks. If this is successful, it opens up the US to responsibility for the actions of the proxy forces it has funded and enabled.
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Assuming what you say about the US is true, then what is keeping those other parties from suing today? This law doesn't change anything for them.
 
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Higgins86 said:
Accidental bombings of hospitals, I mean this opens up families to sue the US for friendly fire deaths as well.
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also the unrestricted drone strikes in Pakistan's tribal region.

weddings, funerals, and other gatherings get hit all the time under "suspected" terrorist activity.

A hellfire missile does not discriminate.
 
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AliHajiSheik said:
Assuming what you say about the US is true, then what is keeping those other parties from suing today? This law doesn't change anything for them.
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Because suing is a uniquely American reaction. :lol: If this is successful though, it then sets a precedent for others to follow.
 
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spud_meister said:
Because suing is a uniquely American reaction. :lol: If this is successful though, it then sets a precedent for others to follow.
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Since suing is "uniquely American" as you indicate, there is no applicability to other countries. Why would other countries need a precedent to follow?
 
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Lord Tammerlain said:
Saudi Arabia has a significant amount of asets in the US which a court could decide to freeze or seize to pay any claims.
Saudi Arabia will not be happy and probably will threaten to stop buying US weapons and start to pull assets out of the US.
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Saudi Arabia could also threaten to stop selling us oil.
 
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jamesrage said:
Saudi Arabia could also threaten to stop selling us oil.
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Not a big issue as the US can buy it elsewhere

The removal of Saudi money is a bigger one
 
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MickeyW said:
Damn right...beating obama is a good thing...they spoiled his Shut Out! :thumbs:
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So, you're ok with a bad law being passed as long as Obama was against it.

American conservatives, everybody.
 
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NonoBadDog said:
You are only defending it because Obama was for it.

Truthfully I don't have an opinion. I haven't studied the issue. At least I can wait until I know what I am talking about to decide. You haven't offered any argument against it. If you have one I would be real interested in whatever it was.
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It's political theater, the families aren't going to see a dime from Saudi Arabia. The lawyers will benefit from all the fees, Saudi Arabia will get pissed off, and the United States is going to get sued over its own past.
 
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Tigerace117 said:
Those are neither acts of terrorism or war crimes. Don't where the hell you got it in your head that they were.
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If you kill foreign civilians - intentionally or with a reckless disregard for their lives - for political objectives, you are a terrorist.

Here, when your government aids and abets criminal aliens in crossing into the country and releases deportable criminal aliens into the civilian population for cynical political objectives of boosting a political party or to sway public opinion, that government engages in terrorism of its own population.
 
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legalimmigrant said:
If you kill foreign civilians - intentionally or with a reckless disregard for their lives - for political objectives, you are a terrorist.

Here, when your government aids and abets criminal aliens in crossing into the country and releases deportable criminal aliens into the civilian population for cynical political objectives of boosting a political party or to sway public opinion, that government engages in terrorism of its own population.
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So in other words the usual political hackery. Typical.

Your claims have no basis in fact.
 
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Redbeard said:
And that 1 being Harry Reid, no surprise there.
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surprised the hell out of me

it's the only good thing he has done in his entire political career
 
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Tigerace117 said:
So in other words the usual political hackery. Typical.

Your claims have no basis in fact.
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My first sentence is a commonly used definition, so no politically hackery there.

My second sentence does not mention any politician or a party. So no political hackery there, either.

My second sentence contains statements of facts and a conclusion. You chose to ignore both.

So, as is typical for liberals, your comments are a random collection of words meant to avoid the points I raised.

This makes it impossible to rebut as it hard to rebut meaningless irrelevant evasive gibberish.
 
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can't figure this one out

if the government of saudi arabia was complicit in the 9/11 strike against the US, why the hell is the US government not responding in kind to the saudi arabian government with a military response?

and if found not to be complicit, why open the door to suing a government that is not guilty?


all i have are questions. hope y'all have some answers
 
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legalimmigrant said:
My first sentence is a commonly used definition, so no politically hackery there.

My second sentence does not mention any politician or a party. So no political hackery there, either.

My second sentence contains statements of facts and a conclusion. You chose to ignore both.

So, as is typical for liberals, your comments are a random collection of words meant to avoid the points I raised.

This makes it impossible to rebut as it hard to rebut meaningless irrelevant evasive gibberish.
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There's no intentional killing of civilians, nor is there "reckless disregard", so that's completely pointless.

Your second sentence refers to the government of the US, which has been a Democrat for the last eight years.
 
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Deuce said:
It's a meaningless gesture in an election year, and you're only excited because Obama was against it.
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And you're crying crocodile tears because his worship got overruled. :lol:
 
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I thought you guys wanted to get out of the Middle East. First the US involved itself with the Iraq War forever, IMO, offending Sunni Muslims (Iraq's elected government was mainly Shia). Then the US sides with the UN and Gaddafi's rebels in Libya. Then those same Sunni Muslim rebels wanted to overthrow al-Assad in Syria and when the US didn't help them as in Libya the Sunnis were further angered. Yeah, and al-Assad didn't cross BO's red line, either. The BO administration helped to broker the nuclear treaty with Shia Muslim Iran. Will Sunni KSA be far behind in the nuclear arms game? Congress overrode BO's veto to allow American citizens to sue Sunni KSA for damages caused by 9/11.

Get out of the Middle East, US. AND STAY OUT.
 
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So does this mean the families of service men killed or injured by Iranian IED's can sue Iran ??

They're the leading state sponsor of terror.
 
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