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MH17 missile 'came from Russia', Dutch-led investigators say

I'm curious, are there any conspiracy theories that you don't buy into? The moon landings? JFK, Chemtrails, Bigfoot?

If we could really discuss it in detail, it's highly likely that I buy into fewer conspiracy theories than you.

It seems you believe any conspiracy theory the government puts forth, and do not like to ask questions or gather facts.

Either way, it doesn't really matter.
 
If we could really discuss it in detail, it's highly likely that I buy into fewer conspiracy theories than you.

It seems you believe any conspiracy theory the government puts forth, and do not like to ask questions or gather facts.

Either way, it doesn't really matter.
Unlikely, I buy into zero conspiracy theories. Oswald acted alone, Men landed on the moon, Chemtrails have been debunked and Bigfoot isn't real. :)
 
How did those rather convenient peasants see through the 4000m almost total cloud cover that day then ?



Is there no theory too outlandish that you won't automatically push if it fits your weird anti western sensibilities ?

BellingCat is but a group supporting the official story. They don't work with facts, only disinformation.

The BBC footage I saw on Day 1 or 2, the one taken down so quickly, showed clear blue skies.
 
BellingCat is but a group supporting the official story. They don't work with facts, only disinformation.

The BBC footage I saw on Day 1 or 2, the one taken down so quickly, showed clear blue skies.

You do know that clouds move, right?
 
Belling cat were posting dashcam vids from passing cars, and pix and selfies from the BUK crews themselves as they traveled to and from the scene of their crime.

The video below is entitled Бук (Buk). It was filmed by Ivan Olіfіrenko on his automobile dashboard cam. The location is the eastern Ukraine town of Makiivka, approximately the intersection of Ryepina and Autotransportna Streets. The truck-transporter (with the Buk being carried on the trailer section) comes into view on the left beginning at 0:39. The transporter is now heading to Highway H-21 where it will travel east to the Torez area where it will fire the missile(s) that downed Malaysian Flight MH-17 killing all 298 men, women, and children aboard. There are two cars ahead of the transporter with warning-lights flashing. These are probably rebels who know the roads in eastern Ukraine. Notice the green Jeep-like vehicle and the blue van following the transporter. These vehicles accompany the transporter at all times and carry the Buk system Russian commander and his launch crew (53rd Anti-Aircraft Missile Brigade based at Kursk, Russia).

I know this area personally and have traveled down the same roads. And no lol, it's not a CIA stage set as Thoreau72 would like you to believe.

[video=youtube;AvwH0T2WCN0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?AvwH0T2WCN0[/video]
 
BellingCat is but a group supporting the official story. They don't work with facts, only disinformation.

The BBC footage I saw on Day 1 or 2, the one taken down so quickly, showed clear blue skies.

Speaking of things you claim are taken down. I can't help but notice you continue to ignore the photos I posted. Any particular reason for that.
 
BellingCat is but a group supporting the official story. They don't work with facts, only disinformation.

The BBC footage I saw on Day 1 or 2, the one taken down so quickly, showed clear blue skies.

Yes anyone whose evidence goes against thoreaus agenda is not to be believed. They are most likely in on it or have fallen for US propaganda. It is only those special few CTers that know the truth. The rest of us are just dumb sheep.
 
The real question is how long till Thoreau runs away from this thread. If he hasn't already. He has a habit of doing that in the CT section.
That didn't take long at all.

I think Thoreau72 is trying to pollute this thread with CT nonsense hoping a mod may come along and perhaps move the thread to the CT forum and out of the *Breaking News* limelight.
 
Simpleχity;1066370598 said:
That didn't take long at all.

I think Thoreau72 is trying to pollute this thread with CT nonsense hoping a mod may come along and perhaps move the thread to the CT forum and out of the *Breaking News* limelight.

Sure looks that way. Funny how many times he gets caught making up BS claims that are easily proved wrong and yet he never learns.
 
BellingCat is but a group supporting the official story. They don't work with facts, only disinformation.

The BBC footage I saw on Day 1 or 2, the one taken down so quickly, showed clear blue skies.

It showed nothing of the sort and I'm British and certainly saw exactly the same footage that you claim yoi did :roll:
 
Unlikely, I buy into zero conspiracy theories. Oswald acted alone, Men landed on the moon, Chemtrails have been debunked and Bigfoot isn't real. :)

Right, and Bill Clinton did not have sex with that woman, James Earl Ray killed MLK, and OBL was killed at Abbottabad. Pretty typical for an average american, believing so many things that are false.

Actually I happen to agree on the moon landings, and am neutral on the chemtrails thing.
 
It showed nothing of the sort and I'm British and certainly saw exactly the same footage that you claim yoi did :roll:

Well my British friend, we will have to agree to disagree. I was paying attention since this happened, and still am.

The US Ministry of Propaganda pushed this story from the very beginning, and has never once even attempted to back up its claims against Russia with any facts or evidence. True, that is the American style these days, just as the Downing Street Memo suggested more than 10 years ago.
 
Speaking of things you claim are taken down. I can't help but notice you continue to ignore the photos I posted. Any particular reason for that.

No, unless the post was lost, I did respond to your photos this monrning. I noted that you picture of the wing you showed might have been reversed or something, but did not appear to be the same one I had seen 2 years ago and about which the Canadian fellow on the initial investigatory group commented. That one was the left wing upper surface, outboard section.

Yours this morning appeared to be the right wing.

Simply put gents, the reason the US media version was from "anonymous Pentagon sources" is because that's how they roll. Never assign a statement to an individual, and never back up a statement with facts or evidence. We are an exceptional country with an exceptional government.

Exceptionally deceptive and mendacious. :mrgreen:
 
Simpleχity;1066371813 said:
This isn't the CT forum.

The US was not a member of the Dutch MH-17 inquiry.

:failpail:

A very astute observation Simplex, very astute, but that point has been asked and answered here, to wit: the report itself is a conspiracy theory, and if you want it in the CT section, my advice would be to request assistance from the moderators.

The Dutch "report" is but a theory that unnamed persons with Russian ties took down MH17 with a ground to air missile of the BUK variety. It offers no proof for that theory, not even a photo of the ascending missile from anyone at all.

The Dutch theory cannot be validated.
 
The Dutch forensic evidence meets/exceeds court standards.

Unless of course, you're going to suggest that the Dutch investigators have discovered a way to alter certain laws of physics.

But then again, such a suggestion from you would surprise no one here at DP.
 
Right, and Bill Clinton did not have sex with that woman, James Earl Ray killed MLK, and OBL was killed at Abbottabad. Pretty typical for an average american, believing so many things that are false.

Actually I happen to agree on the moon landings, and am neutral on the chemtrails thing.

Even leaving the rest out the fact that you are neutral on the chemtrails is just further proof of how gullible you are. It's almost as bad as your nukes in downtown Nee York city nonsense.
 
No, unless the post was lost, I did respond to your photos this monrning. I noted that you picture of the wing you showed might have been reversed or something, but did not appear to be the same one I had seen 2 years ago and about which the Canadian fellow on the initial investigatory group commented. That one was the left wing upper surface, outboard section.

Yours this morning appeared to be the right wing.

Simply put gents, the reason the US media version was from "anonymous Pentagon sources" is because that's how they roll. Never assign a statement to an individual, and never back up a statement with facts or evidence. We are an exceptional country with an exceptional government.

Exceptionally deceptive and mendacious. :mrgreen:

So now there are a crease in both the left and right wing. What about the 2nd photo I posted. The one that shows the left side of the cockpit. The place where you claimed there was bullet holes.
 
Well my British friend, we will have to agree to disagree. I was paying attention since this happened, and still am.

No you invented a fantasy you now fully indulge

The US Ministry of Propaganda pushed this story from the very beginning, and has never once even attempted to back up its claims against Russia with any facts or evidence. True, that is the American style these days, just as the Downing Street Memo suggested more than 10 years ago.

So the Americans did it then ?

BS
 
Well my British friend, we will have to agree to disagree. I was paying attention since this happened, and still am.

And I paid attention to the smoking pieces falling through the cloud cover

The US Ministry of Propaganda pushed this story from the very beginning, and has never once even attempted to back up its claims against Russia with any facts or evidence. True, that is the American style these days, just as the Downing Street Memo suggested more than 10 years ago.

I'm pretty sure they didn't manage to doctor the film in the short time between the news breaking and the initial footage being shown but then again I'm rational
 
Not to hijack this topic, but the ubiquity of citing Russia's veto of a UN security council resolution that would've set up an international tribunal to bring the perpetrators to justice as a strong indicator of complicity and wrongdoing caught my attention. The U.S vetoed numerous such attempts aiming to hold Israel accountable for its actions in the territories; does that mean the U.S backs state-sponsored terrorism and massive violations of international law?
 
Not to hijack this topic, but the ubiquity of citing Russia's veto of a UN security council resolution that would've set up an international tribunal to bring the perpetrators to justice as a strong indicator of complicity and wrongdoing caught my attention. The U.S vetoed numerous such attempts aiming to hold Israel accountable for its actions in the territories; does that mean the U.S backs state-sponsored terrorism and massive violations of international law?

This graphic pretty much speaks for itself.
 

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No you invented a fantasy you now fully indulge



So the Americans did it then ?

BS

I'm glad you brought up inventing fantasies, because that is precisely how this case has developed. The west started with a conclusion--the Russians did it--and then constructed the story to support it, just as they did in the Downing Street memo. They kept up the fantasy, and morbidly incurious people bought into it.

The public has known for years that US spy satellites are extremely powerful, capable of reading a license tag on an automobile from space.

Yet those powerful cameras could not find the launch trails from the fantastic BUK missile? And I'm the only guy curious about this? You're not?

2 years and the US has provided nothing at all in the way of evidence to support their claims.

10 days and the Russians DID provide radar information supporting their claim.

Sherlock Holmes you are not. That is embarrassing.
 
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