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Wall Street Rallies After Clinton Tops First Debate

Chillfolks said:
We must be looking at different polls. Time, CNBC and others have, or did at 2pm est when I checked them out, Trump as the winner.
Talking head pundits are calling it for Hiary.


I didn't hear anything from either to make me think they won. Didn't hear anything but the same worn out empty promises and false attacks from each candidate.

But everyone has their own opinion.
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First, online polls aren't real polls. Groups of people post to tell others to hit this or that "poll." People can vote multiple times. They are notoriously wrong.

TIME is an online poll. CNBC is an online poll.

Here are real surveys and focus groups conducted by people knowledgeable or hired for the process:


http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2016/images/09/27/poll.pdf (Dem leaning, but it is not insignificant that more Dems than Repubs watched; also, this poll correlates with after-debate bounce historically);

Voters Nationally Say Clinton Won Debate 51/40 - Public Policy Polling

Gamblers: Prediction markets moved toward Clinton during the debate. PredictWise, which aggregates odds from betting markets and bookmakers, showed her odds of winning the presidency rising from 69% before the debate to 73% after.
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Why Hillary Clinton won the debate - Business Insider

TV news focus groups said Clinton clearly won. The CBS undecided voter focus group, run by Frank Luntz, gave it to her by a margin of 16 to six; CNN's gave it to her by 18 to two.
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Why Hillary Clinton won the debate - Business Insider

Trump skipped a post-debate victory party he was supposed to attend and went straight home. Trump said he enjoyed the debate but didn't seem too eager to celebrate. Maybe he was sad, or was feeling low-energy, or lacked the stamina to greet his supporters.
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Why Hillary Clinton won the debate - Business Insider

This is the truth. There are sources you look at and regard, if you really want to know. (Those good sources are never going to be online polls.) There is no question but that Clinton improved her standing, and Trump did not improve his, or worse.

Then, all you had to do was watch it. Hillary Clinton was in control, self-assured, confidant, and smiling....while Trump was drinking a lot of water, showing his bad temperament, telling obvious falsehoods that the audience even laughed at at one point, and was generally uncomfortable and making odd expressions. You could turn off the sound and see who was winning, just by their body language and facial expressions.

If you're a political junkie, you learn to accept a bad performance for a night, but you never disregard the fact of who did won and who didn't. I voted for Obama and readily admitted Romney won one of the debates against Obama. Obama was just horrible. SNL did a comedy sketch about it. No point in trying to claim Obama won. I could've turned off the sound and seen who was winning (unfortunately, I was listening).

Tip: Good, valid, objective political sources are fivethirtyeight.com and realclearpolitics.com. Fivethirtyeight.com predicted the last Presidential win almost exactly. It's very reliable.
 
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Of course it rallied.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...e1be00-c9c2-11e5-ae11-57b6aeab993f_story.html
Even as Hillary Clinton has stepped up her rhetorical assault on Wall Street, her campaign and allied super PACs have continued to rake in millions from the financial sector, a sign of her deep and lasting relationships with banking and investment titans.

Through the end of December, donors at hedge funds, banks, insurance companies and other financial services firms had given at least $21.4 million to support Clinton’s 2016 presidential run — more than 10 percent of the $157.8 million contributed to back her bid, according to an analysis of Federal Election Commission filings by The Washington Post.
The contributions helped Clinton reach a fundraising milestone: By the end of 2015, she had brought in more money from the financial sector during her four federal campaigns than her *husband did during his *quarter-century political career.
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Wait, I thought strong returns on investment were a good thing. I thought that a strong business sector was good.

Trump supporters are so utterly confused that it confuses me. They criticize Wall Street but are voting for an oligarch. It's all so weird.
 
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