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Wife of Keith Scott, Charlotte Shooting Victim, Filmed Fatal Encounter With Police

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Unitedwestand13 said:
No....

They should have tried to handle the situation by defusing the tension of the situation. If Scott did have a gun, the cops should have tried to reason with Scott and make him willingly drop his gun.
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You are talking about a guy with a history of shooting at cops.

"A public records search shows that Scott was convicted in April 2004 of a misdemeanor assault with a deadly weapon charge in Mecklenburg County. Other charges stemming from that date were dismissed: felony assault with a deadly weapon with intent to kill, and misdemeanors assault on a child under 12, assault on a female and communicating threats.

In April 2015 in Gaston County Court, Scott was found guilty of driving while intoxicated.

In 1992, Scott was charged in Charleston County, S.C., with ​several different crimes on different dates, including carrying ​a concealed weapon​ (not a gun), simple assault and contributing to ​the delinquency of a minor. ​He pleaded guilty to ​all charges.

Scott also was charged with aggravated assault in 1992​ and assault with intent to kill in 1995. Both charges were reduced, but the disposition of the case​s​ is unclear.

According to Bexar County, Texas, records, Scott was sentenced in March 2005 to 15 months in a state jail for evading arrest. In July of that year, records show, he was sentenced to seven years in prison on a conviction of aggravated assault with a deadly weapon. A Texas Department of Criminal Justice spokesman said Scott completed his sentence and was released from prison in 2011."

Read more here: Charlotte police protests: Governor declares state of emergency as violence erupts for second night | The Charlotte Observer

In short...they werent dealing with a guy that was all that 'reasonable'.
 
Re: Wife of Keith Scott, Charlotte Shooting Victim, Filmed Fatal Encounter With Polic

tres borrachos said:
He kicked her, punched their 8 year old in the head three times, and threatened her with a gun repeatedly.

A fine citizen he was. Gentle giant.
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Well he WAS just sitting in his car meekly reading his Quran...according to his mama...
 
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rocket88 said:
What we've learned today is more "you must comply" from the crowd that needs their guns to protect them from tyranny. Maybe this guy needed a gun to protect himself from tyranny.
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Not according to his criminal record....Plus he was a felon, so he wasn't supposed to have a gun in the first place.
 
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VanceMack said:
Well he WAS just sitting in his car meekly reading his Quran...according to his mama...
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Let me guess. She went in front of the cameras and said "My Keith was a good boy".
 
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tres borrachos said:
Let me guess. She went in front of the cameras and said "My Keith was a good boy".
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Yep.

but in moms + column...she does call for peace.
 
Re: Wife of Keith Scott, Charlotte Shooting Victim, Filmed Fatal Encounter With Polic

This guy went to a local school to pick up a kid and was waiting in his own vehicle when approached by armed police. And he ended up dead.

Does anybody see this as totally screwed up when that is the result in the USA?
 
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"Well, I seen the fires burnin'
And the local people turnin'
On the merchants and the shops
Who used to sell their brooms and mops
And every other household item
Watched the mob just turn and bite 'em
And they say it served 'em right
Because a few of them are white,
And it's the same across the nation
Black and white discrimination
Yellin' "You can't understand me!"
'N all that other jazz they hand me
In the papers and TV and
All that mass stupidity
That seems to grow more every day
Each time you hear some nitwit say
He wants to go and do you in
Because the color of your skin
Just don't appeal to him
(No matter if it's black or white)
Because he's out for blood tonight"

~Frank Zappa
 
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haymarket said:
This guy went to a local school to pick up a kid and was waiting in his own vehicle when approached by armed police. And he ended up dead.

Does anybody see this as totally screwed up when that is the result in the USA?
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He was parked and sitting in said car in front of apartments, not the school. He may have been waiting for his kid to get home from school (either walking or by bus or some other ride) but he wasn't actually at the school.


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Re: Wife of Keith Scott, Charlotte Shooting Victim, Filmed Fatal Encounter With Polic

GhostlyJoe said:
She also begs police not to shoot him and insisted that he wasn't a threat. You're only willing to lend credibility to the statements that you feel support your point of view. The rest of your post is just nonsense stereotyping.
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And if they had listened to her, and one got shot, and killed, would you protest for him? My guess is no you wouldn't....Rhine asks several great questions, but I see you ignored them completely....
 
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haymarket said:
This guy went to a local school to pick up a kid and was waiting in his own vehicle when approached by armed police. And he ended up dead.

Does anybody see this as totally screwed up when that is the result in the USA?
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Aren't you forgetting a few things?

Like, he had a gun in his hand...
He refused to drop that gun in spite of being ordered to more than a dozen times...
He was rolling a joint in plain sight in a state where weed is illegal...
Was a convicted felon who had no right to have a gun in the first place...
Had a history violence, which included against minors, women and his 8 year old son...

Don't you think that those details matter, or are they simply irrelevant because they conflict with the narrative your pushing?

So in answer to your question, no I don't think it's screwed up, because his own actions are the reason he ended up dead.

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haymarket said:
This guy went to a local school to pick up a kid and was waiting in his own vehicle when approached by armed police. And he ended up dead.

Does anybody see this as totally screwed up when that is the result in the USA?
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I do...He should have dropped his illegal gun, then he would be living today.
 
Re: Wife of Keith Scott, Charlotte Shooting Victim, Filmed Fatal Encounter With Polic

roguenuke said:
He was parked and sitting in said car in front of apartments, not the school. He may have been waiting for his kid to get home from school (either walking or by bus or some other ride) but he wasn't actually at the school.


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Thank you for clarifying that.

So what threat was he that police had to approach and kill him for sitting in his car?
 
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Grim17 said:
Aren't you forgetting a few things?

Like, he had a gun in his hand...
He refused to drop that gun in spite of being ordered to more than a dozen times...
He was rolling a joint in plain sight in a state where weed is illegal...
Was a convicted felon who had no right to have a gun in the first place...
Had a history violence, which included against minors, women and his 8 year old son...

Don't you think that those details matter, or are they simply irrelevant because they conflict with the narrative your pushing?

So in answer to your question, no I don't think it's screwed up, because his own actions are the reason he ended up dead.

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So why did the police approach him and order him like they did while sitting in his own car?
 
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haymarket said:
So why did the police approach him and order him like they did while sitting in his own car?
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That is something the police will have to answer, but him being in possession of a controlled substance would be a reason for police to approach him.


I would like to know if you have an opinion on the why he was approached.
 
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Chillfolks said:
That is something the police will have to answer, but him being in possession of a controlled substance would be a reason for police to approach him.


I would like to know if you have an opinion on the why he was approached.
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And they knew that how exactly?

As to my opinion, I don't know why this man sitting in his own car was approached by police the way he was and how things escalated to a mans death.

That simply does not seem right and looking for a rather petty legal excuse to justify a mans death seems macabre and twisted.
 
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haymarket said:
So why did the police approach him and order him like they did while sitting in his own car?
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First he was observed "rolling a joint", which is a petty crime until they then also observe that person with a weapon. Two crimes. Have no idea if they identified the person or owner of the vehicle, but if they did, then they would also know the person was a convicted felon who could not possess a gun in the first place.


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haymarket said:
And they knew that how exactly?
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Once again I wasn't there that would be information you would need to ask the department.

As a layman who has rolled a fair number of joints/blunts in cars I can offer my educated guess. There are certain behaviours and tells that would raise suspicions of illegal activity.

Continually looking around nervously.
Tobacco remains from a cigar on the ground
Licking the paper to glue
Twisting one end
Using a lighter to help dry and seal the smoke
If it was a potent strain a distinctive smell can be detected a fair distance away

Those are simple things that would put someone on the radar of police observing them.
 
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haymarket said:
This guy went to a local school to pick up a kid and was waiting in his own vehicle when approached by armed police. And he ended up dead.

Does anybody see this as totally screwed up when that is the result in the USA?
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You bet,, How can a guy with "Traumatic Head Injury" be allowed to drive a car with kids in it, I wonder if the kids were in the car while he was rolling his joint?

As far as his past history is concerned. If it is irrelevant to this case,, Why does every one look at a cops past history when they are involved in a shooting?

While I will say a taser "May" have been enough, he had on some baggy clothes which would make a taser much less likely to stick in his skin.



djl
 
Re: Wife of Keith Scott, Charlotte Shooting Victim, Filmed Fatal Encounter With Polic

Thanks to all who responded with additional information.

I am not saying I have enough hard information to say the police acted improperly in this .... all I am saying is it feels really weird that a guy sitting in his car ends up dead for not any really good reason that would merit intervening and then taking his life.
 
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haymarket said:
Thanks to all who responded with additional information.

I am not saying I have enough hard information to say the police acted improperly in this .... all I am saying is it feels really weird that a guy sitting in his car ends up dead for not any really good reason that would merit intervening and then taking his life.
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Oh, you mean the ex felon, that....

1. had a gun
2. refused at least 12 orders to drop that gun
3. got out of his car with said gun according to police
4. had a record a mile long, most of which for assaults, and assault with deadly weapons

That guy?
 
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haymarket said:
Thanks to all who responded with additional information.

I am not saying I have enough hard information to say the police acted improperly in this .... all I am saying is it feels really weird that a guy sitting in his car ends up dead for not any really good reason that would merit intervening and then taking his life.
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So you're saying that cops shouldn't intervene when they see a minor crime taking place? Smoking a joint is a minor crime, as is having a gun while smoking a joint ultimately. However, if they knew this person was a felon, a felon in possession of a gun is not so minor of a crime. Now, there is no current information to tell us whether they knew that he was a felon. However, the first two crimes are definitely good enough for the initial encounter, trying to get him out of his car and under arrest, and the possession of the gun is reason enough to have guns drawn while doing this. His failure to obey lawful orders multiple times while armed (assuming that he was, which there is evidence that he was) is what led to his being shot and killed by police officers, not the above crimes. Those in themselves would have just gotten him arrested (although given his history it would have sent him back to prison most likely), but would not have gotten him killed. Again, his failure to obey lawful orders while armed is what got him killed.
 
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haymarket said:
Thanks to all who responded with additional information.

I am not saying I have enough hard information to say the police acted improperly in this .... all I am saying is it feels really weird that a guy sitting in his car ends up dead for not any really good reason that would merit intervening and then taking his life.
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The reason he ended up dead, was because of the choice he made not to drop the gun in his hand after being ordered to several times by police. The reason that officer was justified in opening fire on the suspect, is because the man posed not only an imminent danger to those officers, but to the public in general if he were allowed to fire that weapon.

After ignoring orders to drop the gun by police more than a dozen time for nearly a minute, I believe it was reasonable for police to conclude that the suspect had no intention of complying with the order, and since he was moving out of the field of containment, it left officer's with no choice but to assume he intended to use that gun. Assuming otherwise would have put the lives of themselves and the general public at risk.

Well anyway, that's how I see it.
 
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j-mac said:
Oh, you mean the ex felon, that....

1. had a gun
2. refused at least 12 orders to drop that gun
3. got out of his car with said gun according to police
4. had a record a mile long, most of which for assaults, and assault with deadly weapons

That guy?
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And the guy that had a restraining order filed against him by his wife, because she said he had a gun(w/o a permit because he was a felon) and was going to kill her with it. All documented in the request for the restraining order. She's a liar when she tells the world he didn't even own a gun!
 
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Grim17 said:
The reason he ended up dead, was because of the choice he made not to drop the gun in his hand after being ordered to several times by police. The reason that officer was justified in opening fire on the suspect, is because the man posed not only an imminent danger to those officers, but to the public in general if he were allowed to fire that weapon.

After ignoring orders to drop the gun by police more than a dozen time for nearly a minute, I believe it was reasonable for police to conclude that the suspect had no intention of complying with the order, and since he was moving out of the field of containment, it left officer's with no choice but to assume he intended to use that gun. Assuming otherwise would have put the lives of themselves and the general public at risk.

Well anyway, that's how I see it.
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Bottom line here is...Good Shoot by officers! Job well done!

The majority are good shoots and the Blacks never seem to learn.
 
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Blue_State said:
I did hear an interesting stat today that more than 40% of cop shootings are from black men, while 6.1% of the population is black male. Have not confirmed it yet, but it would make me more weary to know that the risk goes up with a certain population.
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Would it make a difference to you if 40% of crimes were committed by black males?

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