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Just 3 percent of Americans own almost half of the country’s guns, study says

HenryChinaski said:
https://www.thetrace.org/2015/08/straw-purchases-law-atf-gun/
Gun Control: Where Do Criminals Get Their Weapons? https://everytownresearch.org/docum...w-purchasing-criminals-get-guns-illegally.pdf
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Guns get from dealers to criminals in part through trafficking. “ATF’s trafficking investigations
show that trafficked firearms are diverted to prohibited persons and are subsequently used
in serious crimes,” according to an ATF report. 8 In trafficking investigations between 1996 and
1998, 25 percent involved guns used in an assault and 17 percent involved guns used in homicides.9
Nearly 5 million Americans were victims of violent crimes committed with firearms
between 1993 and 2005.10

That's not the majority.
 
jimbo said:
Guns get from dealers to criminals in part through trafficking. “ATF’s trafficking investigations
show that trafficked firearms are diverted to prohibited persons and are subsequently used
in serious crimes,” according to an ATF report. 8 In trafficking investigations between 1996 and
1998, 25 percent involved guns used in an assault and 17 percent involved guns used in homicides.9
Nearly 5 million Americans were victims of violent crimes committed with firearms
between 1993 and 2005.10

That's not the majority.
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let me break it down the majority of firearms use here in Chicago by gang members originate from a handful of gun shops within the region. Those gun shop should be dealt with.
 
Henrin said:
Yeah, because there isn't a long history of people being dishonest in these kind of surveys. You gun control advocates just can't seem to understand that many people won't admit to you that they own guns.
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HenryChinaski said:
let me break it down the majority of firearms use here in Chicago by gang members originate from a handful of gun shops within the region. Those gun shop should be dealt with.
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Again, I need some evidence. I'm aware of the talking points. I live a few miles from Bloomie's favorite gunshow.

FFL dealers engaging in illegal sales are dealt with. If you know of one that isn't, report it. If you got your information from the internet, my guess is that ATF also is aware.

I'm aware also of the Chicago reporter who set up her own criminal purchase to prove she could buy a gun illegally. The problem is she was the criminal, not the dealer.
 
danarhea said:
I strongly disagree **






** The black belter I'm thinking of carries a gun. LOL.

Seriously, though, most street thugs don't know how to hold a knife. I can disarm those. As for those who do know how to hold a knife, they get my wallet if I don't have my gun with me. LOL.
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The problem is this. The least educated knife wielders use what is called the icepick grip. Which is a slight variation of what some of the very best trained knife fighters use-the reverse grip. The fencing grip is generally a sign of some training.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knife_fight#Knife_grips

also how someone stands. sidewise to a threat-weak side forward-knife in a saber grip hidden along your right leg with your left hand horizontally in front of you is what they teach military operatives. ITs a good offensive/defensive stance
 
jimbo said:
I'd need some evidence of that.
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he may or may not be right. Most thugs get guns from people who know they are thugs. and its true that some stores tend to have lots of incidents of straw purchasers. good stores are pretty adept at smelling out amateur straw purchasers. There is no possible way of stopping a well trained straw purchaser unless the ultimate recipient of the weapon rats them out-and that is only after the weapon has been obtained by the prohibited person
 
HenryChinaski said:
let me break it down the majority of firearms use here in Chicago by gang members originate from a handful of gun shops within the region. Those gun shop should be dealt with.
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And who are they selling those guns to?
 
VanceMack said:
And who are they selling those guns to?
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people who can pass the background check in the vast majority of the cases. If a dealer sells a gun "off the books" that is easily discovered and almost always leads to revocation of the license and sometimes felony indictments
 
TurtleDude said:
people who can pass the background check in the vast majority of the cases. If a dealer sells a gun "off the books" that is easily discovered and almost always leads to revocation of the license and sometimes felony indictments
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Its just rather telling that he says "gun owners dont want to crack down on those gun buyers that are committing straw purchases" and then says "we have to attack the gun stores" while ignoring the studies that show it is the gang bangers family and friends that are buying the guns.
 
TurtleDude said:
The problem is this. The least educated knife wielders use what is called the icepick grip. Which is a slight variation of what some of the very best trained knife fighters use-the reverse grip. The fencing grip is generally a sign of some training.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knife_fight#Knife_grips

also how someone stands. sidewise to a threat-weak side forward-knife in a saber grip hidden along your right leg with your left hand horizontally in front of you is what they teach military operatives. ITs a good offensive/defensive stance
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I disarmed a guy with a knife once, and sent him to the hospital. He was holding it out in front of him with his palm up. I quickly brought my hands together, my right hand into his wrist, and my left hand into the back of his hand, in a slapping motion. The knife flew out of his hand, and then I kicked his kneecap, before dragging him to a curbstop and curbstomping him there. I learned that move from my stepbrother, who was the self defense instructor at Selfridge AFB near Detroit. NOTE: I was much crazier in my younger days than I am now. LOL.
 
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danarhea said:
I disarmed a guy with a knife once, and sent him to the hospital. He was holding it out in front of him with his palm up. I quickly brought my hands together, my right hand into his wrist, and my left hand into the back of his hand, in a slapping motion. The knife flew out of his hand, and then I kicked his kneecap, before dragging him to a curbstop and curbstomping him there. I learned that move from my stepbrother, who was the self defense instructor at Selfridge AFB near Detroit. NOTE: I was much crazier in my younger days than I am now. LOL.
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I did the same thing with a hefty pool cue. The guy was on some sort of illegal pharmaceuticals and had a crappy switchblade which I kicked down a storm sewer. He got pretty messed up-
 
HenryChinaski said:
let me break it down the majority of firearms use here in Chicago by gang members originate from a handful of gun shops within the region. Those gun shop should be dealt with.
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And the Feds should start actually enforcing the gun laws already on the books. Many liberal politicians want more and more gun laws, then don't enforce them so they can demand more. Obama is a good example. Federal gun law prosecutions have dropped dramatically since Obama took office, despite his continual crying that more gun laws are needed.
 
People are not as afraid of other people as they fear the government grabbing their guns. If you add all of the guns owned by gun stores and people that sell guns at gun shows with the people that own a lot of guns you might get close to that number but I suspect that the Harvard and Northeastern punks that did this story missed a lot of people. No one knows how many guns I have and how they could know how many guns are where I don't know. It looks like a lot of estimating - as they admit-..
 
Gill said:
And the Feds should start actually enforcing the gun laws already on the books. Many liberal politicians want more and more gun laws, then don't enforce them so they can demand more. Obama is a good example. Federal gun law prosecutions have dropped dramatically since Obama took office, despite his continual crying that more gun laws are needed.
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http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/11/12/us/gun-traffickers-smuggling-state-gun-laws.html
Most gun trafficking patterns have remained remarkably constant over time. But some researchers point to a significant shift in Missouri as evidence that changes to one state’s laws can have broad implications.

Before 2007, Missouri required gun buyers to get a state permit and to undergo background checks on private sales, two restrictions strongly associated with states that provide fewer guns to interstate traffickers, according to research by Daniel Webster, director of the Johns Hopkins Center for Gun Policy and Research. At the time, nearly half of the guns used in crimes and recovered in Missouri were traced to other states, largely from neighboring Kansas and Illinois.

But when Missouri relaxed its gun control laws in 2007, the flow started to change. The number of guns traced to other states decreased, while the number of guns from within Missouri increased to nearly three-quarters.
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The economics are straightforward: A low-quality handgun that sells for $100 in an Atlanta store might sell for $500 or $600 in New York City, researchers say — and it can be transported cheaply. By contrast, the majority of guns used in crimes in Texas, Georgia and other states with more lenient gun laws are purchased in-state.
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I think that there are a whole heck of a lot of guns in the hands of citizens that the gov doesn't have counted on their list..
 
TurtleDude said:
I did the same thing with a hefty pool cue. The guy was on some sort of illegal pharmaceuticals and had a crappy switchblade which I kicked down a storm sewer. He got pretty messed up-
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Yea, those were the days..... NOT. LOL. BTW, My nickname back then was Elliott MacNasty. I only got as far as a green belt, though. Didn't have enough discipline to go further. The day I got it, I got into a fight with the neighborhood bully, and got the ass kicking of my life. I hurt for days after that one. LOL. But I did win some respect that day. Pain medication would have been better, though. LOL.
 
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