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Black voters are turning from Clinton to Trump in new poll

Moot said:
That's nothing compared to what Conservatives have said and done to racial minorities. After all,..."they're rapists and murderers"...remember?


https://newrepublic.com/article/136378/donald-trump-blown-republicans-racism-defense
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That's dishonest in lots of ways. First, you blamed conservatives for saying of minorities that "theyre rapists and murders." No conservative has said that. The claim that Trump said that is false as well. As is your implication that what Trump might say is = to a conservative saying it. That, too, is false. Trump is no conservative. That means your post is just a dishonest smear. Which makes the liberal criticism of Trumps dishonest all the more hilarious.
 
chuckiechan said:
That's OK. I saw some black, pro Hillary talking head say that Trump's call for "Law and order" was racist.

I assume she would vote for him if Trump said "I am against law and order!"
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More than a few black people see her "superpredator" comment as being overtly racist. Probably because it was overtly racist.
 


Trump wont win a majority of blacks or maybe not even a majority of voters...but Many black people in this country are seeing through the lies the democrats have spponfed them for 70 years. Who knows...maybe he draws 15%. Maybe 17%. But maybe he draws a set number of supporters, and the rest just wont bother voting for Hillary.

Who is REALLY excited about Hillary Clinton as their candidate? And if we are really being honest...what HAS the rat party done for black Americans?
 
NonoBadDog said:
The poll is for blacks in LA so it wouldn't really have any influence in the electoral votes. What I think it does point out is that Clinton isn't going have the support from African American vote like Obama. They won't turn out in the numbers that they did in the last two elections. She isn't doing much better with the Latino vote. It is kind of the same situation with the Latinos.
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Though you got the poll's focus wrong, the remainder of your post is relevant and reflects what looks to happen in the national race.
 
Does anyone else find it kinda funny that Moot and Zimmer both have their avatars set to a picture of the candidate they are against? It makes me think the primary purpose of this election cycle is not to vote for someone, but to vote against someone.
 
looks like the pols are also showing the women starting to wake up... the direction of womens support are going away from hillary slowly but steadily.. no wonder with hillary and the democrats and media pushing for muslims their worst nightmare..... women could wake up and make this a landslide against hillary and the blacks and democrats and the media for pushing their worst nightmare
 
tres borrachos said:
Donald Trump said Bush lied to get us into war. Is Donald Trump wrong?
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I've written in another post I disagree with Trump on Iraq. Cheney likely does too, but supports Trump.

But...

The Wall

Focusing on illegal immigration.

Jobs.

Tax cuts.

Strong military.

And decent SOTUS candidates...

Trump... That's who I'd vote for.

The alternative... That's dangerous. Just as dangerous as that clown in the WH we have now.
 
CycloneWanderer said:
Does anyone else find it kinda funny that Moot and Zimmer both have their avatars set to a picture of the candidate they are against? It makes me think the primary purpose of this election cycle is not to vote for someone, but to vote against someone.
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The use of that photo is to illustrate Hillary has serious health issues. Fits, spasms and seizures.

Demokrats have to look at that, and deny reality.
 
zimmer said:
I've written in another post I disagree with Trump on Iraq. Cheney likely does too, but supports Trump.

But...

The Wall

Focusing on illegal immigration.

Jobs.

Tax cuts.

Strong military.

And decent SOTUS candidates...

Trump... That's who I'd vote for.

The alternative... That's dangerous. Just as dangerous as that clown in the WH we have now.
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Trump lied when he accused Bush of lying. Trump is dishonest.
 
tres borrachos said:
Trump lied when he accused Bush of lying. Trump is dishonest.
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Perhaps he did!
Perhaps he did it as a political tactic.

I don't know.

I know his only support of the war was a telephone call with HowardStern, and it was an out of the blue question.

What I do know, is I'll take his focus on:

The Wall.

Illegal Immigration.

Job creation.

Lower taxes.

Strong military.

Supreme Court nominees.

You want to give Hillary the last?

You don't believe he won't be massively superior to Hillary on the other issues?

And you'll throw your vote away?

I think you're lying to yourself. And are too welded to the stance you've taken on Trump to publicly change.

Hopefully in the quiet of the voting booth you'll act contrary to your voiced opinions.

Cheers.
 
zimmer said:
Perhaps he did!
Perhaps he did it as a political tactic.

I don't know.

I know his only support of the war was a telephone call with HowardStern, and it was an out of the blue question.

What I do know, is I'll take his focus on:

The Wall.

Illegal Immigration.

Job creation.

Lower taxes.

Strong military.

Supreme Court nominees.

You want to give Hillary the last?

You don't believe he won't be massively superior to Hillary on the other issues?

And you'll throw your vote away?

I think you're lying to yourself. And are too welded to the stance you've taken on Trump to publicly change.

Hopefully in the quiet of the voting booth you'll act contrary to your voiced opinions.

Cheers.
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I don't want to give Hillary anything, which is why I'm not voting for her. I'm also not voting for the other fraud running for office, Donald Trump. He's worse than she is.
 
tres borrachos said:
I don't want to give Hillary anything, which is why I'm not voting for her. I'm also not voting for the other fraud running for office, Donald Trump. He's worse than she is.
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And with that, Hillary wins your vote by default.
You're giving to Hillary, not taking away.

Good job.
 
zimmer said:
And with that, Hillary wins your vote by default.
You're giving to Hillary, not taking away.

Good job.
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Hillary only gets my vote if I cast one for her. Just like Trump gets your vote because you cast one for him. If you don't cast your vote for him, he doesn't win your vote.

I'm not giving my vote to Hillary. I'm also not stupid enough to give my vote to Trump because I think casting a vote for Gary Johnson is a vote for Hillary.

I think you guys need to brush up on how elections actually work.
 
tres borrachos said:
Hillary only gets my vote if I cast one for her. Just like Trump gets your vote because you cast one for him. If you don't cast your vote for him, he doesn't win your vote.

I'm not giving my vote to Hillary. I'm also not stupid enough to give my vote to Trump because I think casting a vote for Gary Johnson is a vote for Hillary.

I think you guys need to brush up on how elections actually work.
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Someone who wouldn't vote for Hillary, traditionally would vote for a Republican, and fails to vote, or votes for some useless 3rd party candidate... Is, in the end, providing the individual they wouldn't normally support... Support.

That's the reality, no matter how badly you'd like to twist it otherwise.
 
zimmer said:
Someone who wouldn't vote for Hillary, traditionally would vote for a Republican, and fails to vote, or votes for some useless 3rd party candidate... Is, in the end, providing the individual they wouldn't normally support... Support.

That's the reality, no matter how badly you'd like to twist it otherwise.
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You don't seem to understand how voting works. A candidate can only claim a vote that was cast for him/her. We don't count votes that weren't cast.

It sounds too like you're extremely concerned that Hillary Clinton is going to win. So am I. It's too bad people didn't listen to the smart people who said that Donald Trump should not be the nominee. But when people are only paranoid and unhappy with their lives, and blame that on the politicians, then someone like Trump is impactful. Me, I don't need a reality TV star liberal to save me. I think America is great already. That's why I won't vote for Clinton and Trump. I'm not bigoted, unhappy and paranoid.

Maybe in 2020 there will be a legitimate candidate to oppose Clinton.
 
Fletch said:
That's dishonest in lots of ways. First, you blamed conservatives for saying of minorities that "theyre rapists and murders." No conservative has said that. The claim that Trump said that is false as well. As is your implication that what Trump might say is = to a conservative saying it. That, too, is false. Trump is no conservative. That means your post is just a dishonest smear. Which makes the liberal criticism of Trumps dishonest all the more hilarious.
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Trump speaks for the GOP now...so if conservatives don't believe "they're rapists and murderers" then should rethink who and what they're supporting or they will be labeled accordingly...and that includes you.
 
Moot said:
Trump speaks for the GOP now...so if conservatives don't believe "they're rapists and murderers" then should rethink who and what they're supporting or they will be labeled accordingly...and that includes you.
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Are you using "GOP" and "conservatives" interchangeably?
 
sanman said:
Why stop there - what about "superpredators"? Has a nicer ring when she says it, huh?
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I'm glad she's not saying it anymore and hasn't for the last thirty years. Aren't you happy that Trump isn't still saying some of things he said thirty years ago, too?
 
Moot said:
The LA/USC polling method is different than most other polls and seems to be weighted in favor of republicans....

The New York Times - Breaking News, World News & Multimedia


I think Real Clear Politics is probably the more accurate because it averages all the polls to show a trend. The LA/USC poll seems to be an outlier is skewing the averages...but the over all trend still favors Hillary.



RealClearPolitics - Election 2016 - General Election: Trump vs. Clinton
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The LA/USC poll is unrealistic. It only comes closest to other polls when they show candidate with the least difference. It shows the greatest differences to the polls, and the closer to a 50% mean, when the polls show the greatest deviation from a 50% mean. It is not a telling model for polling purposes. In other words, we're discussing fruit from a false plum tree (my apologies to Frances Marion).
 
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