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Trump finally says Obama born in U.S.

One certainty about Donald Trump is no one will ever quote anything he says without being critical of the idiot. Tragic that at this stage in our history we hve two horrible choices to be a leader. Other nations must be shaking the heads with disgust.
 
jpn said:
Obama will go down in history as one of our better presidents. No scandals, no invasions based on lies, no ignoring real problems like global warming, turning around a smoking hole of an economy to where it's actually raising median incomes, unemployment down to where the Fed is threatening to raise interest rates, inflation a distant memory, 20 million American with health insurance and the percent of uninsured at the lowest level since we began tracking it.

Is that what you hate about him most? That he used resources from the already rich to take care of people in need? Just like, oh, I don't know...Jesus would have done? Is that what frustrates you the most? Because he's more of a "Christian" than any of you conservatives ever were?
Yeah. I feel your pain. :cool:
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Geez, what planet have you been living on? We haven't had an inflation or interest rate issue since before Bush. That was part of the problem. Your hero added $10 trillion to the debt. And as far as the topic of this thread, the way he's hated the US for 8 years, he might as well have been born in Kenya. He won't be remembered as a great president except by sycophants.
 
American said:
Geez, what planet have you been living on? We haven't had an inflation or interest rate issue since before Bush. That was part of the problem. Your hero added $10 trillion to the debt. And as far as the topic of this thread, the way he's hated the US for 8 years, he might as well have been born in Kenya. He won't be remembered as a great president except by sycophants.
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I wonder what, specifically, you can point to that suggests that President Obama "hates the US"?

He doesn't hate the 20 million Americans who now have health insurance, no thanks to Republicans. Now there's a question: Why do Republicans hate Americans who want health insurance? Maybe you all don't consider unlucky citizens to be a part of "real America"? You know, citizens who weren't born with privileges. Who don't get admitted to your gated communities except to collect the trash? Who have no access to your country clubs except to serve the drinks? Yeah, President Obama may look like he sold out your "class" or your "race," but to some Americans (including some white folks like me) he's a pretty awesome guy.

Oh, does Obama show compassion for blacks who are gunned down in the streets by out-of-control cops? Does that make him a hater of America? Or does that make him a light of hope for Americans who envision a better nation? Or is Trump the actual hater, a guy who panders to the alt right and white supremicists?

Depends on your perspective, I guess...
 
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Sparky2 said:
(Ironic, since she has essentially promised a 'third Obama term' with regard to policies, dishonesty, unaccountability, and a lack of integrity. )
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Policies, like not pretending that global warming is a hoax? Sounds great. Like defending a woman's right to choose? Count me in. Like understanding the role of the Federal Reserve? Thank god. Like taking tough but not precipitous action in the Middle East? Yes. Like preventing Iran from obtaining nuclear weapons (in contrast to Bush's incompetent policy with North Korea)? Great success. Like strengthening and expanding the ACA? Literally millions of Americans have and will continue to benefit from that. Like enacting some tax hikes on those who can afford it in order to pay for necessary investments in America's future? I can't think of a better way to strengthen and expand the economic recovery.

Dishonesty? Obama?
Unaccountability? Obama?
Lack of integrity? Obama?

You'll have to provide specifics for those of us who don't get their news solely from Fox "News" and Brother Rush Limbaugh.
 
jpn said:
Policies, like not pretending that global warming is a hoax. Like defending a woman's right to choose. Like understanding the role of the Federal Reserve. Like taking tough but not precipitous action in the Middle East. Like preventing Iran from obtaining nuclear weapons (in contrast to Bush's incompetent policy with North Korea). Like strengthening and expanding the ACA. Like enacting some tax hikes on those who can afford it in order to pay for necessary investments in America's future.
Dishonesty? Obama?
Unaccountability? Obama?
Lack of integrity? Obama?
You'll have to provide specifics for those of us who don't get their news solely from Fox "News" and Brother Rush Limbaugh.
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It's almost staggering to me that you believe that Mr Obama is honest, accountable, and that he has integrity.
It's almost inconceivable that a sentient being could be capable of typing a coherent sentence, and yet be so blind to obvious truths.

Just for clarity;
I don't watch television.
I do not watch television news.

I haven't seen Fox News in many, many years.
Not since right around 911, September 11th 2001.

I used to hear Rush Limbaugh on the radio when I live on Oahu, from 1997 to 2001.
He was a bit of a partisan hack, and I do not subscribe to the noodling of partisan hacks, from either of your political Parties.

Post-note;
You aren't helping your case by defending Mr Obama and his 'stance' on global warming and/or sending plane-loads of cash to Iran.
Really.
I would just let that go if I were you.
It's self-defeating.
;)
 
jpn said:
I wonder what, specifically, you can point to that suggests that President Obama "hates the US"?

He doesn't hate the 20 million Americans who now have health insurance, no thanks to Republicans. Now there's a question: Why do Republicans hate Americans who want health insurance? Maybe you all don't consider unlucky citizens to be a part of "real America"? You know, citizens who weren't born with privileges. Who don't get admitted to your gated communities except to collect the trash? Who have no access to your country clubs except to serve the drinks? Yeah, President Obama may look like he sold out your "class" or your "race," but to some Americans (including some white folks like me) he's a pretty awesome guy.

Oh, does Obama show compassion for blacks who are gunned down in the streets by out-of-control cops? Does that make him a hater of America? Or does that make him a light of hope for Americans who envision a better nation? Or is Trump the actual hater, a guy who panders to the alt right and white supremicists?

Depends on your perspective, I guess...
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American Exceptionalism didn't work for one. He wants us to be like Europe. Now there's a strong rumor he went before the UN in support restraints on our country.

http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?NewsID=54967#.V-SMP_ArJhE

That's just scratching service.
 
Sparky2 said:
It's almost staggering to me that you believe that Mr Obama is honest, accountable, and that he has integrity.
It's almost inconceivable that a sentient being could be capable of typing a coherent sentence, and yet be so blind to obvious truths.

Just for clarity;
I don't watch television.
[etc. etc.]
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So, where do you obtain your information that leads to your conclusion that President is staggeringly dishonest, unaccountable, and lacking in integrity? Would you please provide important examples of each, please? I asked you for details in my last post. I'll ask you again. Specific examples, please. I'll be interested to see your references.

You know what's self-defeating is to claim to possess such an pristine, objective, non-partisan perspective on these issues, and then lapse into far-right-wing nutcase rhetoric about "plane-loads [sic] of cash" as if there was something wrong about paying a legal debt.

The cash belonged to Iran, as adjudicated by the the international court of justice at The Hague. So paying them was not secret, not payola, nothing untoward. The United States' policy is usually to support international law because we believe that the world is a better place when nations respect that law. Had we refused to return Iran's money we would have been thumbing our nose at international law.

Or do you have a different understanding of the transaction? Apparently you do. So please enlighten us. With details.
 
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American said:
American Exceptionalism didn't work for one. He wants us to be like Europe. Now there's a strong rumor he went before the UN in support restraints on our country.
http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?NewsID=54967#.V-SMP_ArJhE
That's just scratching service.
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I asked "what, specifically, you can point to that suggests that President Obama 'hates the US'?"

And that's the best you can do? A speech by President Obama at the UN saying:
“At this moment, we all face a choice. We can choose to press forward with a better model of cooperation and integration. Or we can retreat into a world sharply divided, and ultimately in conflict, along age-old lines of nation and tribe and race and religion,” he said, declaring that the spirit behind the founding of the UN itself shows what is best in humanity.

“As imperfect as they are, the principles of open markets and accountable governance, ofdemocracy and human rights and international law that we have forged, remain the firmest foundation for human progress in this century,” he told world leaders on the first day of the Assembly’s annual general debate, his eighth.

“The integration of our global economy has made life better for billions of men, women and children. Over the last 25 years, the number of people living in extreme poverty has been cut from nearly 40 per cent of humanity to under 10 per cent. That's unprecedented. And it's not an abstraction. It means children have enough to eat; mothers don’t die in childbirth.”

But in order to move forward it has to be acknowledged that the existing path requires a course correction. “A world in which one per cent of humanity controls as much wealth as the other 99 per cent will never be stable,” Mr. Obama stressed, calling for a global economy that works for all people.
“Just as we benefit by combatting inequality within our countries, I believe advanced economies still need to do more to close the gap between rich and poor nations around the globe. This is difficult politically. It's difficult to spend on foreign assistance. But I do not believe this is charity,” he stressed.

“For the small fraction of what we spent at war in Iraq, we could support institutions so that fragile States don’t collapse in the first place; and invest in emerging economies that become markets for our goods. It's not just the right thing to do – it's the smart thing to do,” said Mr. Obama.

He called for rejection of all forms of fundamentalism, racism, and belief in ethnic superiority that make traditional identities irreconcilable with modernity.
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I'm still looking for the hate. Still can't find it.

Maybe here?
But the main thrust of his remarks remained the need for overall global cooperation as inspired by the founding of the UN itself, even if this means curbing the power of the strongest countries.

“We can only realize the promise of this institution’s founding – to replace the ravages of war with cooperation – if powerful nations like my own accept constraints,” Mr. Obama declared “Sometimes I'm criticized in my own country for professing a belief in international norms and multilateral institutions.

“But I am convinced that in the long run, giving up some freedom of action – not giving up our ability to protect ourselves or pursue our core interests, but binding ourselves to international rules over the long term – enhances our security. And I think that's not just true for us,” he added.

“The choices of individual human beings created a United Nations, so that a war like [the Second World War] that would never happen again. Each of us as leaders, each nation, can choose to reject those who appeal to our worst impulses and embrace those who appeal to our best. For we have shown that we can choose a better history,” Mr. Obama concluded.
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Nope!

Huh. You know, maybe you're the one who hates America. The new America, in which white males no longer automatically set the rules. Where we don't dominate the world and the world bows at our feet. Possible?
 
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jpn said:
So, where do you obtain your information that leads to your conclusion that President is staggeringly dishonest, unaccountable, and lacking in integrity? Would you please provide important examples of each, please? I asked you for details in my last post. I'll ask you again. Specific examples, please. I'll be interested to see your references.
You know what's self-defeating is to claim to possess such an pristine, objective, non-partisan perspective on these issues, and then lapse into far-right-wing nutcase rhetoric about "plane-loads [sic] of cash" as if there was something wrong about paying a legal debt.
The cash belonged to Iran, as adjudicated by the the international court of justice at The Hague. So paying them was not secret, not payola, nothing untoward. The United States' policy is usually to support international law because we believe that the world is a better place when nations respect that law. Had we refused to return Iran's money we would have been thumbing our nose at international law.
Or do you have a different understanding of the transaction? Apparently you do. So please enlighten us. With details.
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jpn,

I am a lifelong student of human psychology.
I have studied the topic and the human condition for many years, both formally and informally.
In life and at University.

I have met, in my entire lifetime, exactly three pathological liars.
I wish had never met them, but it was my misfortune to have crossed paths with them.

All of them were charming, accomplished, and articulate.
And all of them had plenty to be proud of.

Sadly, that was not enough.
They had to embellish, self-aggrandize, and pad their own resumes.
They told war stories that belonged to others.
They had no conscience when it came to the needs and wants of others.
All that mattered was their own hugeness and wonderfulness.

Sadly, that is your beloved President in a nut-shell (no pun intended).
He's a sociopath, and the chief symptom of his mental disorder is his pathological dishonesty.

The man is a chameleon, and not a true human being.
He mimics human behavior, rather than displaying it.
He is a Christian when he is pandering to a Christian audience.

He is Muslim when he is pandering to a largely Muslim audience.
He is clear and articulate when addressing educated audiences.

Most telling, he adopts ebonic affectations whenever he is pandering to a mostly-black audience.
It's almost sickening how sad and predictable it is.

You want concrete examples of his dishonesty?

EVERY WORD THE MAN HAS EVER UTTERED.

Because a pathological liar doesn't even comprehend the difference between the truth and a lie.
The truth is whatever he wants it to be, and then he reacts angrily whenever somebody disagrees with him on it.

That is your President, good sir.
He's patently insane, and uncontrollably-dishonest.

And if you are unfamiliar with these psychological concepts, please take the time to study them before you respond.
It could take weeks or months before you have the grasp of them that I possess.
And that's not arrogance or largesse, it's just the truth.

:(
 
jpn said:
I asked "what, specifically, you can point to that suggests that President Obama 'hates the US'?"

And that's the best you can do? A speech by President Obama at the UN saying:


I'm still looking for the hate. Still can't find it.

Maybe here?


Nope!

Huh. You know, maybe you're the one who hates America. The new America, in which white males no longer automatically set the rules. Where we don't dominate the world and the world bows at our feet. Possible?
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You're reaching.
 
Of course, it does get confusing since Barack Obama says he was born in Hawaii which he also said was in Asia. Of course, he doesn't know much about America.
 
Sparky2 said:
jpn,

I am a lifelong student of human psychology.
I have studied the topic and the human condition for many years, both formally and informally.
In life and at University.

[blah blah blah]
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I asked for specific examples and I said I'd be interested in your sources.

Fail 1.
Fail 2.

Conservative critics of Obama and Clinton almost never give specifics. In the example of Clinton they use Benghazi. But since 8 or 10 or 11 different Congressional and Administration investigations found nothing, they can't get into specifics. Because there aren't any.

They use the emails. But they can't use specifics because there aren't any.

They trot out the Clinton Foundation that the "Liberal Media" has be obsessed with for the last year. And have found nothing. No specifics there, either. No wrongdoing whatsoever.

They use rhetoric like "dishonesty," but when asked for specifics they resort to some interview about her great-grandparents or something.

In contrast we have Donald Trump. Specifics? He lies regularly and enthusiastically about key policy issues. He still lies about his support for the Iraq war almost daily. Still. He lies about Americans paying the highest taxes in the world. Over and over. He lies about Clinton's policies, claiming that she didn't have a child care plan while she's had a far more detailed and workable one on her website for a year. His charity has been fined by the IRS and it turns out that it has been used as his own personal piggy bank.

So I get why conservatives like you resort to your substance-free rhetoric. You have nothing, but you have to pretend that you do because your guy is an ignorant, lying, racist carnival barker and you feel that you have to manufacture some equivalence.

It's pathetic watching you.
 
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Anthony60 said:
You're grasping at straws, LOL!
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Grasping at straws? Your claim is stupid facebook BS. You're parroting a dumbass meme. It has been proved false. Get a clue.
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
I think his opposition did the same thing.
It was a parade of token minorities and plainly pandering.
Two rights don't make a wrong, but for some (not implying you) it's acceptable.
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I'm not implying it's acceptable, you are. Pointing the finger at others does not dismiss behavior. Take your racist crap elsewhere.
 
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