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U.S. Special Forces to Aid Turkish Troops in Syria

Not in Daves mind. If you listen to him Russia is always in the right and the US always in the wrong. It's quite the pattern with him.

He apparently thinks tolitarian regimes are some kind of bastions of civilization.
 
That's a very optimistic view of the world. ISIS and AQ aren't trying to kill Americans because we're in the Middle East; their trying to kill us because we're infidels.

There hasn't been a major attack since 9/11 in large part because we've implemented a number of policies to counter the threat of terrorism on air lines and the like, similarly to what Israel did after their planes kept getting hijacked in the 70s and 80s.
Are you serious? Look at France. If ISIL wanted to kill lots of Americans in a terrorist attack...they EASILY could. Hell, just rent a truck and plow into a bunch of civilians...it ain't rocket science.
They have not attacked because America is doing what they want them to do...got themselves sucked into the Middle East quagmire.

The Israelis are one of the few bastions of democracy and stability in that entire region, particularly as the rest of it is going to hell. That's something to hold onto, wouldn't ya say?
No. Besides, they have by far the most powerful military in the region and - as Powell's leaked emails confirmed - they have over 200 nukes sitting on top of IRBM's. No one is going to try and take out Israel.
And they give NOTHING back to America.

Letting Iraq get taken over by a bunch of medieval thugs would be much worse than anything the US has ever done. We have a responsibility to ensure that the country that we "broke" doesn't break again. "Just leaving them alone" would doom them.

Jeez man, no offense, but you sound like you are stuck in 1988.

I am not wasting my time on this.

America has NO BUSINESS being involved in the Middle East. She does not need the oil and what other countries do - short of major genocide - is NONE of America's business.

Now if you want to see brave American's die and trillions of tax dollars thrown away in hopeless causes...fine.

I don't.


Good day.
 
"Chili"?

:lamo

Why should I listen to you again? You don't even know how to spell the country's name.

Haiti; has been more or less constantly ****ed up for hundreds of years. The US has attempted to maintain stability as much as possible.

Honduras, Chile, Guatamala, El Salvador; all have turned out relatively well, all things considered. El Salvador still has a massive murder rate, but that's in large part to be expected. The death squads on both sides weren't just going to go away.

Vietnam; Has turned out well. I'm still waiting for them to apologize for propping up the Khmer Rouge, as well as violating Laos and Cambodia's territorial integrity, causing massive death in those countries.

Iraq; Saddam's gone.

Just because you only trust tolitarian regimes doesn't make your point of view correct.

I rest my case. There is so much misinformation in that post that it proves my point. Thank you.
 
Are you serious? Look at France. If ISIL wanted to kill lots of Americans in a terrorist attack...they EASILY could. Hell, just rent a truck and plow into a bunch of civilians...it ain't rocket science.
They have not attacked because America is doing what they want them to do...got themselves sucked into the Middle East quagmire.

No. Besides, they have by far the most powerful military in the region and - as Powell's leaked emails confirmed - they have over 200 nukes sitting on top of IRBM's. No one is going to try and take out Israel.
And they give NOTHING back to America.



Jeez man, no offense, but you sound like you are stuck in 1988.

I am not wasting my time on this.

America has NO BUSINESS being involved in the Middle East. She does not need the oil and what other countries do - short of major genocide - is NONE of America's business.

Now if you want to see brave American's die and trillions of tax dollars thrown away in hopeless causes...fine.

I don't.


Good day.

And look at France. They weren't involved in Operation Iraqi Freedom but the radicals are going after them anyway. Gee, I wonder why.

I don't know if you've been paying attention, but "major genocide" is kinda thing number one on these thugs "to do" list.

Which brings up the question of what a minor genocide is....
 
I rest my case. There is so much misinformation in that post that it proves my point. Thank you.

Yeah--- no Dave. No it does not.

The fact that you can't even try to refute any of what I've said, on the other hand, strengthens mine.
 
So in other words we should just let ISIS ran rampant until we have no other choice but to put a stop to them, allowing them in the meantime to dig in deep and costing far more casualties. Duly noted.

Until congress says otherwise. The alternative is the President can just do whatever he wants. Which is exactly what Nixon did, and why the war powers act was passed. According to our laws, CONGRESS has all of the war powers except for actual battle.
 
1. We have not declared war with Syria.

2. The presidents doesn't need congress's approval for limited engagement.

3. Congress has already approved limited action.

4. Special Forces are not technically "boots on the ground."

When did they approve war against Syria or ISIS? I only recall an AUMF against Bin Laden and Iraq.
 
Until congress says otherwise. The alternative is the President can just do whatever he wants. Which is exactly what Nixon did, and why the war powers act was passed. According to our laws, CONGRESS has all of the war powers except for actual battle.

Yeah well, Congress hasn't exactly gotten off its collective fat, lazy ass and been doing much governing, so.....
 
And look at France. They weren't involved in Operation Iraqi Freedom but the radicals are going after them anyway. Gee, I wonder why.

I don't know if you've been paying attention, but "major genocide" is kinda thing number one on these thugs "to do" list.

Which brings up the question of what a minor genocide is....
Oh come on now...think please.

France was not attacked because of them being 'infidels'. If that was the case, then why are Canada, Norway, Sweden (countries FULL of infidels) and many other countries not attacked? Why are they focusing on France?

France is being targeted because of colonialism and their ongoing meddling in Africa. France used to occupy huge swaths of northwestern Africa.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_colonial_empire#/media/File:EmpireFrench.png

France hung on to these countries WAY too long and is still VERY active (militarily) in much of Africa - you just do not hear much about it on idiotic, American network television.

And France has HUGE numbers of people/immigrants/refugees who live in France left over from those colonial days...and many of them are Muslim. And most of them are very poor and treated as sort of outcasts in French society.

Nothing like poor outcasts as prime recruitment for terrorism.

THAT is why France is getting attacked so much...it has virtually NOTHING to do with western lifestyle.
 
The USA has been supporting al Nusra a/k/a al Qeda in Syria and a/k/a ISIS. At this moment the USA is reneging on its' ceasefire agreement to identify the locale of its' friendly forces a/k/a al Nusra, just changed their name to Ahrar al Sham. Russia doesn't want Syria to bomb them, but they are in with KNOWN ISIS rebels. They are ISIS. al Nusra are headchoppers. Documented. Don't change the channel because the next move is for the USA to break the ceasefire when they have re-supplied al Nusra/Ahrar al Sham/ISIS. The FSA rebels have chased USA special forces away from helping Turkey, calling them Christians and Americans invaders.

changed their name to Ahrar al Sham
lulz. It's not hard to dupe our forces. It's literally in the name. I don't know if our foreign policy leaders are bumbling idiots or are in on the game at this point. Either way, the #1 goal is definitely not to defeat ISIS.
 
Oh come on now...think please.

France was not attacked because of them being 'infidels'. If that was the case, then why are Canada, Norway, Sweden (countries FULL of infidels) and many other countries not attacked? Why are they focusing on France?

France is being targeted because of colonialism and their ongoing meddling in Africa. France used to occupy huge swaths of northwestern Africa.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_colonial_empire#/media/File:EmpireFrench.png

France hung on to these countries WAY too long and is still VERY active (militarily) in much of Africa - you just do not hear much about it on idiotic, American network television.

And France has HUGE numbers of people/immigrants/refugees who live in France left over from those colonial days...and many of them are Muslim. And most of them are very poor and treated as sort of outcasts in French society.

Nothing like poor outcasts as prime recruitment for terrorism.

THAT is why France is getting attacked so much...it has virtually NOTHING to do with western lifestyle.

Oh, their not? That's news to me.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Stockholm_bombings

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_Norway

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_Canada

Obviously it's not for lack of trying.

"Meddling", huh. I'm assuming your referring to Mali?

These articles might be of interest

https://www.nsfwcorp.com/dispatch/everythings-coming-up-mali/

https://www.nsfwcorp.com/dispatch/war-nerd-vs-greenwald/

The funny thing, you condemn how France is treating these people-- and then say it doesn't have anything to do with the Western way of life.
 
Oh, their not? That's news to me.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Stockholm_bombings

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_Norway

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_Canada

Obviously it's not for lack of trying.

"Meddling", huh. I'm assuming your referring to Mali?

These articles might be of interest

https://www.nsfwcorp.com/dispatch/everythings-coming-up-mali/

https://www.nsfwcorp.com/dispatch/war-nerd-vs-greenwald/

The funny thing, you condemn how France is treating these people-- and then say it doesn't have anything to do with the Western way of life.

What are you talking about...the point of this thread and your original post is ISIL...not terrorist attacks carried out randomly by whackos for a myriad of reasons. You just post a bunch of terrorist attacks for various reasons and offer that as proof? That makes no sense. You are clearly just grasping at straws.

Are you actually saying that the ISIS/ISIL backed attacks against France were primarily due to cultural differences and not the after effects of France's prior colonialism and/or it's ongoing military operations in Africa?

Yes or no, please?
 
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What are you talking about...the point of this thread and your original post is ISIL...not terrorist attacks carried out randomly by whackos for a myriad of reasons. You just post a bunch of terrorist attacks for various reasons and offer that as proof? That makes no sense. You are clearly just grasping at straws.

Are you actually saying that the ISIS/ISIL backed attacks against France were primarily due to cultural differences and not the after effects of France's prior colonialism and/or it's ongoing military operations in Africa?

Yes or no, please?

Have you ever heard of the concept that terrorists can launch attacked for more than one reason?

They certainly wouldn't simply live the west alone even if the west let them set up their tinpot "caliphates".
 
Have you ever heard of the concept that terrorists can launch attacked for more than one reason?

They certainly wouldn't simply live the west alone even if the west let them set up their tinpot "caliphates".

I said 'primarily', not 'exclusively'.

Are you going to answer my question?
 
I said 'primarily', not 'exclusively'.

Are you going to answer my question?

Yes, I do believe so. French activity in Africa; which, by the way, was requested by Mali--- is a convienent scapegoat, but France hasn't had colonies in Africa since the early 1960s---which, of course, is far longer ago than 99% of ISIS jihadis have been alive.

Their want to kill infidels because their infidels, not because Franceonce once owned parts of Africa.
 
What are you talking about...the point of this thread and your original post is ISIL...not terrorist attacks carried out randomly by whackos for a myriad of reasons. You just post a bunch of terrorist attacks for various reasons and offer that as proof? That makes no sense. You are clearly just grasping at straws.

Are you actually saying that the ISIS/ISIL backed attacks against France were primarily due to cultural differences and not the after effects of France's prior colonialism and/or it's ongoing military operations in Africa?

Yes or no, please?

Im the OP. The point of this thread was how the President is abusing his power to make war. Fighting ISIS in Syria may very well be a good use of our military, but thats congresses decision, not the President.
 
So the US is supporting both the terrorists and Turkey. Wow, this certainly gives new meaning to the phrase "playing both sides." I wonder what would happen when our spec ops troops come under attack from our own weapons...

I suspect russia will now "accidentally" drop bombs on them.
 
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