NCAA to move 7 championships from North Carolina due to HB2 law

NCAA to move 7 championships from North Carolina due to HB2 law

[h=1]NCAA to move 7 championships from North Carolina due to HB2 law[/h]
The NCAA announced on Monday the relocation of seven previously awarded championship events — including NCAA tournament games in Greensboro — from the state of North Carolina during the 2016-17 academic year as a result of the state's controversial House Bill 2.The law prevents cities and counties from passing protections based on sexual orientation and gender identity. And public schools must require bathrooms or locker rooms be designated for use only by people based on their biological sex. The NCAA sent a questionnaire in July concerning discrimination issues to the local organizing groups in cities that have been named to host any NCAA event in any of its three competitive divisions or are interested in staging them.The NBA moved its the All-Star game in Charlotte for the same reasons in July and Duke coach Mike Krzyzewski called the law "embarrassing" in an interview with USA TODAY Sports.


The NCAA cited "state laws that limit civil rights protections" and emphasized that its championship events must promote an "inclusive atmosphere for all college athletes, coaches, administrators and fans."
“Fairness is about more than the opportunity to participate in college sports, or even compete for championships,” NCAA President Mark Emmert said in a statement. “We believe in providing a safe and respectful environment at our events and are committed to providing the best experience possible for college athletes, fans and everyone taking part in our championships."

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Back Up Links:
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/13/sports/ncaa-moves-championship-events-from-north-carolina.html
http://http://www.washingtontimes.c...-bathroom-law-ncaa-pulls-7-championship-even/
NCAA to relocate championship events from state of North Carolina | FOX Sports
NCAA takes significant stand against North Carolina's HB2 'bathroom' law - CBSSports.com
http://www.espn.com/college-sports/...aa-pulls-7-championship-events-north-carolina
http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2016/09/12/ncaa-north-carolina-hb2-law/
http://www.wsj.com/articles/ncaa-to...north-carolina-citing-bathroom-law-1473729810


Seems there will be many more events and companies pulling out due to this discrimination law. Once again eventually things like the bigoted HB2 law are only going to HELP spread equal protections and equal rights. I love the Irony.

Most businesses I would not have a problem with this. The NCAA however, I think should stay way the **** away from anything the least bit political...

Forcing North Carolina to choose between money and hate? I like it. :thumbs:

Redress said:

Most businesses I would not have a problem with this. The NCAA however, I think should stay way the **** away from anything the least bit political...

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I don't really disagree but since OTHERS make this political what solution do you suggest?
If we believe the NCAA this is about protecting their staff(and others) by making sure venues operate in the same parameters in which the NCAA operates itself.

The NCGOP response:



My favorite part:

"I wish the NCAA was this concerned about the women who were raped at Baylor."

Keep it classy North Carolina.

Good for them. The state should be ashamed. Maybe if they spend less time excluding people from voting, their legislature would be more than just a bunch of old bigoted crackers.

jpn said:

Good for them. The state should be ashamed. Maybe if they spend less time excluding people from voting, their legislature would be more than just a bunch of old bigoted crackers.

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seems you have issues with old white people. :lamo

I could care less what the NCAA does. I don't watch college sports.

It is interesting how some seem to think it is ok for organizations (NCAA) can try to influence politics through economics. Yet, the same people would most likely be against a corporation (Utility Companies) spending "dark money" on a candidate who would be supporting of that corporation. Seems both are trying to influence politics and social agendas.

imo, both should stay out of govt. affairs.

azgreg said:

The NCGOP response:

My favorite part:

"I wish the NCAA was this concerned about the women who were raped at Baylor."

Keep it classy North Carolina.

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is that real? Is that really an official response from a spokes person of the North Carolina GOP?I know its in MY link from USA today but I was honestly hoping it was a dubbed account or something. If not what a complete joke LMAO My guess is she wont be a "spokesperson" long . .. well . . of she shouldn't be.

I know plenty of GOPers that do not agree with her at all and would also think her words are completely nonsensical.

mike2810 said:

seems you have issues with old white people. :lamo

I could care less what the NCAA does. I don't watch college sports.

It is interesting how some seem to think it is ok for organizations (NCAA) can try to influence politics through economics. Yet, the same people would most likely be against a corporation (Utility Companies) spending "dark money" on a candidate who would be supporting of that corporation. Seems both are trying to influence politics and social agendas.

imo, both should stay out of govt. affairs.

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Ill say the same thing I'd said earlier:

I don't really disagree but since its really OTHERS that make this political what solution do you suggest?
If we believe the NCAA this is about protecting their staff(and others) by making sure venues operate in the same parameters in which the NCAA operates itself.

Redress said:

Most businesses I would not have a problem with this. The NCAA however, I think should stay way the **** away from anything the least bit political...

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I don't agree for a few reasons. The fact is they're a multi-$billion/year business that happens to be organized as a non-profit for reasons that don't always seem clear to me. And as a business, the NCAA answers to the member colleges and I'm guessing the % of those who disagree with NC's law is approaching 100%. I'm also pretty sure that their corporate 'partners' in especially the NCAA basketball championship (broadcasters and advertisers) are also nearly 100% opposed to the NC law. So I'm pretty sure the NCAA leadership is just responding to pretty much ALL their constituents on this.

And as a general rule, I agree with Phys252 - they have a choice and they were told the choice when they passed the law, knew the business community opposed it at that time and ignored them, after it passed were told in public and I'm sure in private by the NCAA and NBA that this could/would happen and they kept most of the law. So I see no reason to oppose businesses doing what they told the NC government they would do. Let NC choose what is important to them.

azgreg said:

The NCGOP response:

My favorite part:

"I wish the NCAA was this concerned about the women who were raped at Baylor."

Keep it classy North Carolina.

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That's award winning embarrassing right there. I can't wait to see what kind of actually literate response the NCGOP will send after they figure out in emergency session tonight how to handle this embarrassing effort. If not, and NCGOP wanted the entire country to wake up and say, "Yep, after reading THAT from the NCGOP, good idea NCAA!" they're on the right track.

FWIW, she might have actually been drunk when she wrote that. Sporting News noted this tweet, in the afternoon, just a few hours before her statement:

https://twitter.com/kamimueller/status/775465830662496258

Personally...I say good. Let them leave.

And no, its not for the reason that you automatically jumped to when you read that sentence.

IMO the governments and schools focus WAY too much on sports when they should be focusing on academics. Perhaps this move will force the NC government to start putting more money and effort and focus into academics and less into sports. Especially when considering the odds of going into the major leagues is not very good to begin with.

ODDS OF MAKING IT BIG

Of the 1,565 players drafted in a five year period from the the first 10 rounds of the 2002 through 2006 drafts, 54 players have a career WAR of 10.0 or more. That's just 3.4 percent of all players drafted in 10 rounds. Thirty-one of those (57.4 percent) were first-round selections. 105 players have a WAR of 5.0 or better. That's 6.7 percent of players drafted. 51 of those 105 were first round selections.

The average production from five drafts per club is

18 players who made it to MLB

7 players who made it with a 1.0+ WAR

3.4 players who made it with a 5+ WAR, and 1.8 players with a 10+ WAR

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What are the odds of making it to the major leagues?

And those are just the people that WERE drafted....and those that made it.

So, as far as I'm concerned...I'm GLAD they pulled out of NC. I hope they make it permanent.

I think this is potentially very significant because anyone will tell you the voters in north carolina care more about their college basketball tournament than anything and nothing would bring HB2 to a swifter repeal. I'm also shocked because the NCAA is known as a behemoth devoid of humanity. Also the republican reply is the predictable disgrace, as if the crimes at baylor remotely justifies the sweeping discrimination their party passed in an emergency session. They have to know that after this and the NBA all-star game, the businesses, conventions, and government travel that pulled out, the federal court ruling, and the billions they stand to lose in funding that they've lost. Way too late to save face

Redress said:

Most businesses I would not have a problem with this. The NCAA however, I think should stay way the **** away from anything the least bit political...

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this is about human rights, including the athletes and fans, not typical politics. For the same reason, various colleges have cancelled games against the teams in north carolina. It certainly is something they had to act on or else be deemed complicit with, for instance how employees at venues, universities, and the athletes and coaches can face discrimination, and fans cannot use the bathrooms they always have due to this new law. Better to simply hold the events elsewhere

Phys251 said:

Forcing North Carolina to choose between money and hate? I like it. :thumbs:

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Hundreds-thousands of hicks from red counties go to tournament games too, so this particular action won't just "punish those who already support lgbt" like some of the concert performers were accused of (even though that wasn't really true either)

mike2810 said:

seems you have issues with old white people. :lamo

I could care less what the NCAA does. I don't watch college sports.

It is interesting how some seem to think it is ok for organizations (NCAA) can try to influence politics through economics. Yet, the same people would most likely be against a corporation (Utility Companies) spending "dark money" on a candidate who would be supporting of that corporation. Seems both are trying to influence politics and social agendas.

imo, both should stay out of govt. affairs.

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please, this is just like any other civil rights boycott, not remotely similar to buying a politician for promises of profitable legislation. At least if you're gonna make an accusation like that, find some proof of such a link

JasperL said:

That's award winning embarrassing right there. I can't wait to see what kind of actually literate response the NCGOP will send after they figure out in emergency session tonight how to handle this embarrassing effort. If not, and NCGOP wanted the entire country to wake up and say, "Yep, after reading THAT from the NCGOP, good idea NCAA!" they're on the right track.

FWIW, she might have actually been drunk when she wrote that. Sporting News noted this tweet, in the afternoon, just a few hours before her statement:

https://twitter.com/kamimueller/status/775465830662496258

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Thing is she's not acting any more hysterical bigot than the average GOP politician out there so...

I'm betting they collectively double down on the idiocy by morning

She could've picked another example of neglect by NCAA too, like "why don't they focus on the huge academic scandal at NORTH CAROLINA where basketball and football players too fake classes, that even John Oliver mocked to hell and back??" but hmmm, for some reason she didn't go there

So....

The NCAA has little concern for the economic loss to the local people and small businesses that count on these events? Many of these little people also support equal rights for transgenders, and could give a rats azz about bathrooms. Some of these events were to be taken place in counties that are fairly liberal to boot.

NCAA to move 7 championships from North Carolina due to HB2 law

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1. The NCAA needs to stay out of politics.
2. I hope there is cause to sue as no University should be harmed for the actions of the State.

Someone needs to explain to me why the citizens of a state are not allowed to live as they so choose as they follow our laws without getting harassed to the point of harm.

Tolerance was a pretty good idea.

Diversity was a pretty good idea.

Why did we give up on them?

And the Rule of Law is indispensable I say, in a democracy. According to the rule of law the laws inform us on how we should behave, and if we follow them then we are doing as we should. Once we follow the law we are citizens in good standing. We have earned being left alone to do as we please. Because we are free folk.

But we cant handle that anymore, can we, we have no interest in doing that anymore, do we?

Our ancestors must be looking down on us in shame.

We have SO ****ed things up.

RetiredUSN said:

So....

The NCAA has little concern for the economic loss to the local people and small businesses that count on these events? Many of these little people also support equal rights for transgenders, and could give a rats azz about bathrooms. Some of these events were to be taken place in counties that are fairly liberal to boot.

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They're moving the events to places where different local people and small businesses will appreciate the extra business. And it's not just about bathrooms - they overturned laws in Charlotte that protected LGBT and prohibited counties and cities from passing laws giving LGBT workplace protections or protections against discrimination of any kind.

Hawkeye10 said:

Someone needs to explain to me why the citizens of a state are not allowed to live as they so choose as they follow our laws without getting harassed to the point of harm.

Tolerance was a pretty good idea.

Diversity was a pretty good idea.

Why did we give up on them?

And the Rule of Law is indispensable I say, in a democracy. According to the rule of law the laws inform us on how we should behave, and if we follow them then we are doing as we should. Once we follow the law we are citizens in good standing. We have earned being left alone to do as we please. Because we are free folk.

But we cant handle that anymore, can we, we have no interest in doing that anymore, do we?

Our ancestors must be looking down on us in shame.

We have SO ****ed things up.

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Redress said:

Most businesses I would not have a problem with this. The NCAA however, I think should stay way the **** away from anything the least bit political...

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There job is to cover and regulate college sports they should stick to it.

Hawkeye10 said:

Someone needs to explain to me why the citizens of a state are not allowed to live as they so choose as they follow our laws without getting harassed to the point of harm.

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The citizens of NC are being allowed to live as they so choose and the NCAA is allowed to do business with who THEY so choose. Every time anti-discrimination laws come up, the general justification for opposing them is those opposed to discrimination can choose to do business elsewhere. Well, NC prohibited cities and counties from protecting LGBT, and the NCAA took their business to more LGBT friendly locales, exactly as their college members support and I'm sure their corporate partners. I don't see the problem here, even if you're a "free market" person who doesn't believe in anti-discrimination laws.

Tolerance was a pretty good idea.

Diversity was a pretty good idea.

Why did we give up on them?

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So, tolerance and diversity means that a city cannot protect LGBT from being FIRED for no reason other than they are LGBT? It's tolerant of bigots who don't like the gays, but the picture is a little different from where LGBT sit.

And the Rule of Law is indispensable I say, in a democracy. According to the rule of law the laws inform us on how we should behave, and if we follow them then we are doing as we should. Once we follow the law we are citizens in good standing. We have earned being left alone to do as we please. Because we are free folk.

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Good point and the NCAA and others are leaving the people of the state of NC alone to do as they please. And what does the "Rule of Law" have to do with anything here. The NCAA can take their business any damn place they want, and they decided with the support of their college members and corporate partners that it's not going to be NC. Is that illegal? Is NC entitled to host events? Where is that in the law?

But we cant handle that anymore, can we, we have no interest in doing that anymore, do we?

Our ancestors must be looking down on us in shame.

We have SO ****ed things up.

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Yeah, gay people being treated with respect and protected against discrimination is just so f'ing awful. Where did we go wrong????!!! :roll:

Bottom line is the legislature was told by the business community, the NCAA, NBA and more what would happen both before they passed the original crap bill and then afterward, and the legislature and Governor made their choice. Now.... :hitsfan:

ludin said:

There job is to cover and regulate college sports they should stick to it.

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Well, no, that's not their only job. They also host multi-$million events, like the NCAA men's and women's basketball tournaments. It's a big business. Annual revenues exceed $1 billion.