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How Donald Trump retooled his charity to spend other people’s money

MaggieD said:
Wouldn't it be a wonderful thing if the power of the executive order, the extent of its reach, were tested in SCOTUS? You're now wrong, of COURSE. But Congress and SCOTUS has needed to clarify this power for some time. Surely you will agree. And, as far as I'm concerned, our recent presidents have abused EOs.
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Not just EO's, but executive action period. But regardless of whether we both want this tested and their powers pulled back, we live in reality where this isn't likely. Congress reliably pushes more responsibility on the POTUS and POTUS reliably accepts it. His actions, like the ones I listed, numerous of which aren't even policy decisions but just starting international strife, are entirely possible and downright likely.


MaggieD said:
As for impeach or handle, every president is handled. Some need more handling than others. Obama, Reagam, Bushes. The last president who was beyond handling was HCs husband. We might even agree on that one. But maybe his supporters thought the world leaders were high fixing his behavior. ;) DT would no doubt be high maintenance. But, I think his use of the bully pulpit would be unprecedented. And powerful.

Neither h'er nor there, though, since I'm doubtful he'll be elected.

BUT!! I also believe we will have sent a powerful message to the status quo. We haven't had an opportunity like this in generations.
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Exactly what do you think he will accomplish that will help the country? He's such a manchild that you have to mention when discussing him "don't worry, he'll be handled", yet if we actually had a candidate that was going in to shake things up, he woudn't be handled period.

I have no issue with an UN-PC president and one that cuts through the BS etc. And when he's elected I'd expect him to ignore advice to go with the flow etc. But what I don't want is one that I have to hope that his handlers can prevent him from starting world war 3 and hope that the military disobeys when he proudly commands them to break the Geneva Convention.

I'm sorry Maggie, I'm in a rush and will reread everything later today, but I can't find a serious reason that you have for voting for him. If you believed in anything he said, you wouldn't be hoping that he's effectively handled. you'd trust him. And you clearly don't.
 
roughdraft274 said:
Not just EO's, but executive action period. But regardless of whether we both want this tested and their powers pulled back, we live in reality where this isn't likely. Congress reliably pushes more responsibility on the POTUS and POTUS reliably accepts it. His actions, like the ones I listed, numerous of which aren't even policy decisions but just starting international strife, are entirely possible and downright likely.

Exactly what do you think he will accomplish that will help the country? He's such a manchild that you have to mention when discussing him "don't worry, he'll be handled", yet if we actually had a candidate that was going in to shake things up, he woudn't be handled period.

I have no issue with an UN-PC president and one that cuts through the BS etc. And when he's elected I'd expect him to ignore advice to go with the flow etc. But what I don't want is one that I have to hope that his handlers can prevent him from starting world war 3 and hope that the military disobeys when he proudly commands them to break the Geneva Convention.

I'm sorry Maggie, I'm in a rush and will reread everything later today, but I can't find a serious reason that you have for voting for him. If you believed in anything he said, you wouldn't be hoping that he's effectively handled. you'd trust him. And you clearly don't.
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I think we'll just have to agree to disagree on this one. We're way off subject. I respect your opinion and agree with much of what you've said. But... ;)

The last word gladly yours, if you wish.
 
jmotivator said:
Trump also takes zero salary for running the foundation when the national average is $200k. So a $25k painting would still set the foundation $175k more efficient than the average.

I mean, by the article's own admission the overhead for the foundation is zero as it is run entirely by volunteers and the large majority of the money collected was actually given to charities.
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Why would it take an employee to re-donate money from a fund? Cuz that is exactly what he does. Almost like a checking account, except other people fund the coffers. Nothing else.

The Clinton Foundation does not operate that way. The rarely re-donate. Instead, they hire people to work in the trenches... like people who will help/educate an African village on how to make clean drinking water. I'm surprised that went waaaaaay over your head.
 
MaggieD said:
Clinton's foundation does the exact same thing. They solicit for the foundation and then distribute the donations to the charities of their choice. In fact, that's EXACTLY what charitable foundations do. It is legal. It is ethical.
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It does not. Not even close.

From the website:

How We Work

The Clinton Foundation is an operating foundation. The money raised by the Foundation is spent directly on our programs, and not as grants to other charitable organizations.

The majority of the Clinton Foundation’s charitable work is performed and implemented by our staff and partners on the ground. We operate programs around the world that have a significant impact in a wide range of issue areas, including economic development, climate change, health and wellness, and participation of girls and women.

In cases where we support others in their own philanthropic endeavors, the money is used to convene these partners to develop their programs and commitments, rather than directly implement projects.

Because of our work, more than 31,000 American schools are providing kids with healthy food choices in an effort to eradicate childhood obesity; more than 105,000 farmers in Malawi, Rwanda, and Tanzania are benefiting from climate-smart agronomic training, higher yields, and increased market access; more than 33,500 tons of greenhouse gas emissions are being reduced annually across the United States; over 450,000 people have been impacted through market opportunities created by social enterprises in Latin America, the Caribbean, and Asia; through the independent Clinton Health Access Initiative, over 11.5 million people in more than 70 countries have access to CHAI-negotiated prices for HIV/AIDS medications; an estimated 85 million people in the U.S. will be reached through strategic health partnerships developed across industry sectors at both the local and national level; and members of the Clinton Global Initiative community have made more than 3,500 Commitments to Action, which have improved the lives of over 430 million people in more than 180 countries.
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jmotivator said:
Exactly. To add to that, if I vote for Donald Trump it would be to put investigative journalists back to work.
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I think that is extremely naive. The big problem with the media is that it's controlled by so few.
 
Middleground said:
It does not. Not even close.

From the website:
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Thank you. In addition to their website you provided, I pulled up more links. Not sure who's audited them or if they're self-reporting, but the information I read on several sites reported incorrectly.
 
Middleground said:
Why would it take an employee to re-donate money from a fund? Cuz that is exactly what he does. Almost like a checking account, except other people fund the coffers. Nothing else.
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Why are you not able to understand this? People give Trump Foundation money and trump distributes it to other Charities. This is exactly what the Clinton Foundation does, except the Trump Foundation gives the majority of money to other charities while the Clinton Foundation gives almost nothing to actual charities.

The Clinton Foundation does not operate that way. The rarely re-donate. Instead, they hire people to work in the trenches... like people who will help/educate an African village on how to make clean drinking water. I'm surprised that went waaaaaay over your head.
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LOL no. The Clinton Foundation has nobody working "in the trenches" unless you count business class and state dinners "the trenches". :roll:
 
Middleground said:
Obama or Clinton. Just here at DP, there were numerous threads on how corrupt the Clinton Foundation is. The right wing noise machine has been incredibly loud the last few years. The left, not so much.
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There really isn't a left wing media in this country. It's establishment news media. The same liberal journalists like Chris Matthews cheered on the Iraq War, stood by everything GWB, supported Obama's candidacy, and now everything Obama does. They also give Trump a ton of coverage, which is actually free campaign advertising. They don't press Trump or ask him questions, because he is baby and will throw a fit. They play nice with everybody so they will come back.
 
apdst said:
The Clinton Foundation does the same thing. Should it be shut down and audited?
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Nope, but its not the Clintons who are being investigated by the NY AG, anymore diversions, care to address the topic?
 
ludin said:
The NY AG is a shill with a vendetta after blowing the trump u thing up in court.
This is nothing more than an ax to grind and he is also probably in Hillary or Bill's right pocket.

Someone should do an FOIA request so see what all of a sudden spurned this investigation.

Is is nothing more than a hit job.
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Prove it, I will be waiting.
 
danarhea said:
Until the year 2008, The Trump Foundation was pretty much above board...... Then a couple of things happened:

1) Trump stopped giving money to his charity, and began soliciting others to give money to the foundation instead. Then he handed out the money to charity, and claimed the donations as his own. Is this ethical? No, but it is legal, no matter how repulsive this practice is.

2) Trump also began using the Trump Foundation as his personal piggy bank. At one auction, Trump was the higgest bidder for an autographed football jersey and helmet. At another, he was the highest bidder for a 6 foot portrait of himself. In both cases, the money used to pay for these transactions came not from his own pocket, but from Trump Foundation funds, which consists of donors' money, not his.

There is much more in this article by David Farenthold, who has been investigatng Trump and his foundation, and what he has found is not pretty.

Of course, in posting this, I am speaking to the choir..... That choir being all those Trump supporters who will excuse anything unethical that Trump does. Now why would they do that? Because they are every bit as unethical and crooked as Trump.

Expect the Trump apologists to make excuses for this behavior, attack the source, tell us that it doesn't matter, or attempt to derail the thread by saying "But Hillary" in 3........... 2............ 1............ It's their MO, of course. They have no moral compass either. Basket of deplorables? You betcha!!

Article is here.
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Complete bait thread. It's a presidential campaign, so we should ask where Hildbeast got all her money since she's spent virtually her entire life on the public dole; and yet is a multi-millionaire. Trump actually earned a living and created tens of thousands of jobs which help people more than donations. Number of jobs created by Hildebeast equals zero.

Have a nice day.
 
jmotivator said:
Why are you not able to understand this? People give Trump Foundation money and trump distributes it to other Charities. This is exactly what the Clinton Foundation does, except the Trump Foundation gives the majority of money to other charities while the Clinton Foundation gives almost nothing to actual charities.



LOL no. The Clinton Foundation has nobody working "in the trenches" unless you count business class and state dinners "the trenches". :roll:
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You are 100% incorrect. Your head could not be buried any more.
 
yankintx said:
Nope, but its not the Clintons who are being investigated by the NY AG, anymore diversions, care to address the topic?
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I am addressing the topic.
 
American said:
Complete bait thread. It's a presidential campaign, so we should ask where Hildbeast got all her money since she's spent virtually her entire life on the public dole; and yet is a multi-millionaire. Trump actually earned a living and created tens of thousands of jobs which help people more than donations. Number of jobs created by Hildebeast equals zero.

Have a nice day.
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Yup, Hillary is dishonest. I already know that. So is Trump, but as I posted in my OP.............

"Expect the Trump apologists to make excuses for this behavior, attack the source, tell us that it doesn't matter, or attempt to derail the thread by saying "But Hillary" in 3........... 2............ 1............ It's their MO, of course. They have no moral compass either. Basket of deplorables? You betcha!!"

Looks like you picked option 4. LOL.
 
danarhea said:
Yup, Hillary is dishonest. I already know that. So is Trump, but as I posted in my OP.............

"Expect the Trump apologists to make excuses for this behavior, attack the source, tell us that it doesn't matter, or attempt to derail the thread by saying "But Hillary" in 3........... 2............ 1............ It's their MO, of course. They have no moral compass either. Basket of deplorables? You betcha!!"

Looks like you picked option 4. LOL.
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Yea you called that one. Like lemmings jumping off the cliff.
 
danarhea said:
Yup, Hillary is dishonest. I already know that. So is Trump, but as I posted in my OP.............

"Expect the Trump apologists to make excuses for this behavior, attack the source, tell us that it doesn't matter, or attempt to derail the thread by saying "But Hillary" in 3........... 2............ 1............ It's their MO, of course. They have no moral compass either. Basket of deplorables? You betcha!!"

Looks like you picked option 4. LOL.
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Like I said, it's a bait thread. Choosing a president based on how much he donated. :roll: Why don't you go tune up your bass, and stop wasting our time?
 
American said:
He's correct, Charity Navigator won't even rate them. :lol:
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What the flying **** does Charity Navigator has to do with the type of charity they do? So no, he's not right. Read their website... they are NOT a charity the just doles out money. It does not take more brains cells than what a retarded chimp has to make that conclusion.
 
American said:
Like I said, it's a bait thread. Choosing a president based on how much he donated. :roll: Why don't you go tune up your bass, and stop wasting our time?
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If you think the is the reason, then your judgement/perception is sorely lacking.
 
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