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Re: House Democrats Release Emails Between Colin Powell and Hillary Clinton Showing A

Oh so Clinton was trying to skirt the law, and probably rubbed her hands together and gave her evil cackle, when she read his email.

I'm addressing the equivalency you brought up and which I explained.

I'm bored of the entire email server issue because while it may have been inappropriate, nothing bad actually happened. If I have to choose a hill to die on, it'll be the one with tangible consequences.
 
Re: House Democrats Release Emails Between Colin Powell and Hillary Clinton Showing A

You're talking irrelevancies, which means you lost the debate a long time ago.

It's not irrelevant to show Powell LIED about this email.

The big brew-haha last month was how Powell's words were taken as truth over Hillary's, when the FBI report was released -- remember?

"Clinton, interviewed by the FBI in their investigation into whether sensitive information was mishandled, suggested that Powell encouraged her to use a private email account to speed up communication in the department. But Powell recalls explicitly telling her in an email not to use it for classified information and said her timeline was off.

"She was using [the private email server] for a year before I sent her a memo telling her what I did," Powell said."

Colin Powell: Clinton aides are trying to 'pin' her use of private email on me - LA Times

Remember? We had threads about it here, it was big news -- dust-up ensued.

As it turns out, as seen by the evidence -- Hillary was telling the truth.

*That's* a big part of this story. ICYMI.
 
Re: House Democrats Release Emails Between Colin Powell and Hillary Clinton Showing A

I'm addressing the equivalency you brought up and which I explained.

I'm bored of the entire email server issue because while it may have been inappropriate, nothing bad actually happened. If I have to choose a hill to die on, it'll be the one with tangible consequences.

Where did he talk about processing classified data on a private server?
 
Re: House Democrats Release Emails Between Colin Powell and Hillary Clinton Showing A

Where did he talk about processing classified data on a private server?

I don't give a **** about whether it was a private server, AOL (which is demonstrably worse, btw), smoke signals or carrier pigeon. The motives were the same.

I also can't be bothered to give a **** when the emails she sent weren't even marked top secret, secret or even confidential. Snooze fest.

Inappropriate? Yes. But I also wear socks with my sandals when I'm alone, which in the grand scheme of things is measurably worse.
 
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Re: House Democrats Release Emails Between Colin Powell and Hillary Clinton Showing A

Stop looking for excuses, you have NONE. And you're not the computer savvy person I thought, if you maintain this stance. She broke the policy of an Obama EO, among many others. And furthermore, what Powell did is irrelevant; that doesn't give her permission to set up her own private server. The investigation wasn't a witch hunt and if it were, they found the witch. She broke every ****ing security policy in the book. FBI director is falling on his sword for this, because DoJ isn't going to and never will bring charges against one of their own; the White House is too important to getting the Supreme Court stacked in the liberals' favor. Face it, the only thing political was Clinton and Obama (who btw was complicit in this too). Obama stop this thing just prior to charges to make it look good. The based it on intent, which has zero to do with the law.
what powell did was precedent setting. and he shared his methodology with hillary recognizing she would be in the same secstate position as he had held

please share with us why powell's private email account on the aol.com server was less concerning than hillary's private email account on the clinton.com server
 
Re: House Democrats Release Emails Between Colin Powell and Hillary Clinton Showing A

LOL.

Powell used the secure State Department email system for official business, and had a private email setup for his personal non-government communications. So if one of his buddies wanted to chat about sports or whatever, it didn't have to go through the official government system. Seems professional and appropriate.

Hillary set up her own system, and used it exclusively.

That doesn't come close to what Powell talked about in this email you're trying to spin.

What are they putting in the water over in Denmark?

powell acknowledged he used his personal email account to communicate with heads of state. what causes you to believe they only communicated about sports
 
Re: House Democrats Release Emails Between Colin Powell and Hillary Clinton Showing A

I don't give a **** about whether it was a private server, AOL (which is demonstrably worse, btw), smoke signals or carrier pigeon. The motives were the same.

I also can't be bothered to give a **** when the emails she sent weren't even marked top secret, secret or even confidential. Snooze fest.

Inappropriate? Yes. But I also wear socks with my sandals when I'm alone, which in the grand scheme of things is measurably worse.

So what you are saying is that incompetence isn't an issue with you and your liberal ideology trumps actual performance and results? It doesn't matter to what Hillary has done as she has your vote because she has a D after her name and dependence isn't something you have a problem with? Unfortunately there are millions just like you which is why we are in the mess we are today, approaching 20 trillion in debt, a 4.2 trillion dollar federal govt, and over 100 million dependent on taxpayer assistance plus a world where national security is a serious problem. Yes, Hillary has held a lot of positions none of which have generated positive results for the American people
 
Re: House Democrats Release Emails Between Colin Powell and Hillary Clinton Showing A

what powell did was precedent setting. and he shared his methodology with hillary recognizing she would be in the same secstate position as he had held

please share with us why powell's private email account on the aol.com server was less concerning than hillary's private email account on the clinton.com server

We a country of laws, not precedents. She broke policy signed in an EO by Obama. There are regulations on the handling of email and classified data. She didn't swear an oath to Powell.
 
Re: House Democrats Release Emails Between Colin Powell and Hillary Clinton Showing A

Well, that depends on what Powell meant by "doing business". That's a pretty broad reference that may not include the kind of "business" that would raise eyebrows.

I have more than one email address. I have an official business email address I use for official email that goes through the company system. I also have a private email address that I use for personal communication between friends, associates, and family.

If the conversation is not business related, I will forward a communication that may have started on my official business email account over to my personal email account so replies are shifted over to that.

I can envision a similar approach.

What strikes me is the effort to blame Powell, which he has pushed back on, when it's obvious Clinton didn't follow whatever she thought Powell told her.

Powell does not appear to have suggested she set up a completely separate server for ALL communications. A fact lost on those desperate to deflect the story away from one of a long line of questionable actions that have dogged Clinton her entire career.

and this released powell email has shown that his 'push back' was unwarranted. he did exactly as hillary said he did: shared his personal experience of using a private email account to conduct secstate business
 
Re: House Democrats Release Emails Between Colin Powell and Hillary Clinton Showing A

So what you are saying is that incompetence isn't an issue with you and your liberal ideology trumps actual performance and results? It doesn't matter to what Hillary has done as she has your vote because she has a D after her name and dependence isn't something you have a problem with? Unfortunately there are millions just like you which is why we are in the mess we are today, approaching 20 trillion in debt, a 4.2 trillion dollar federal govt, and over 100 million dependent on taxpayer assistance plus a world where national security is a serious problem. Yes, Hillary has held a lot of positions none of which have generated positive results for the American people

What Clinton and Powell did was not defensible, but in the grand scheme of things it falls vastly short of the kind of concern that Trump engenders.
 
Re: House Democrats Release Emails Between Colin Powell and Hillary Clinton Showing A

What Clinton and Powell did was not defensible, but in the grand scheme of things it falls vastly short of the kind of concern that Trump engenders.

trump has done absolutely nothing to affect the security and economy of this country other than actually create jobs something Hillary has never done. The grand scheme of things is that whatever Hillary has done doesn't really matter because she is going to continue promoting bigger govt. and massive dependence. What comes out of her mouth is a lie and you are going to eat it up because of the D after her name. You don't want change because of selfishness and obvious inability to compete in a private sector economy
 
Re: House Democrats Release Emails Between Colin Powell and Hillary Clinton Showing A

trump has done absolutely nothing to affect the security and economy of this country other than actually create jobs something Hillary has never done. The grand scheme of things is that whatever Hillary has done doesn't really matter because she is going to continue promoting bigger govt. and massive dependence. What comes out of her mouth is a lie and you are going to eat it up because of the D after her name. You don't want change because of selfishness and obvious inability to compete in a private sector economy

1. Trump has absolutely affected the security and economy of this country, in spite of not having ever held a single political office. And regarding the emails, I have yet to see evidence that Clinton has.
2. I'm not impressed by claims of Donald creating jobs when he prefers to pay workers 33 cents an hour in other countries, when he stiffs his employees here, and when he chooses to make money by scamming regular Americans though his University scheme.
3. You don't want to get into the "lie" contest. Trump's lies outnumber Clinton's by four to one (Well, 3.94 to 1 if you want to be absolutely mathematically accurate).
 
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Re: House Democrats Release Emails Between Colin Powell and Hillary Clinton Showing A

I was somewhat taken abck by Clinton's tack on this issue, as though it was at all interesting in this present context, what Powell might or might not have said to her and when. SoS is an important job and classified information is extremely integral to performing central functions of the job. There is no "He told me so!" excuse here and to have tried it is so pitiful that on this alone see should be stood in the dunce-cap-corner.
I did not realize the law not having been in place during Powell's stint in office. Certainly the risks were much smaller in his day of disclosure. The world of cyber has changed radically since then.

... To give an idea of how insecure these communications could be, Powell’s personal email is an AOL account, and he used it on a laptop when he communicated with foreign officials and ambassadors, unless the information qualified for a SCIF. (Clinton sent only one email to a foreign dignitary through her personal account, and her communications with ambassadors were, for the most part, by phone.)
The Shocking Truth: Colin Powell?s Emails Don?t Matter
 
Re: House Democrats Release Emails Between Colin Powell and Hillary Clinton Showing A

She was sworn in on Jan 21st.

You think Powell took a year to respond to new SOS or something?

And yes, there was a thank you.

Scroll.

i saw the thank you

and i saw his response

neither one had a date on them....

just her original email has a date....

i find that unusual at best....
 
Re: House Democrats Release Emails Between Colin Powell and Hillary Clinton Showing A

Powell lied. He sent her that email two days after she was sworn in.

You evidently didn't read what he said. That or you simply didn't understand it.
When he sent the email has 0 bearing on whether the server was up and running before that.
 
Re: House Democrats Release Emails Between Colin Powell and Hillary Clinton Showing A

What Powell did was worse.. he used a public email server controlled by a private company... He had zero control over the security or access to said server.
So far it was more secure than clintons. In any event the other difference is a bill that Obama signed after Powell was gone saying that all email needed to go through .gov servers that didn't exist before.

He did it to is the excuse of a 5 year old.

That would mean there was an investigation... got a link for that?
I posted the only link the matters


No false. There was a 110 emails containing classified information, but were not marked as such, but that the staff should have known that it was classified. Why is it people forget this little detail that actually is key to the whole thing?

You evidently didn't read the FBI report or ignored what you didn't like which doesn't surprise me.
110 e-mails in 52 e-mail chains have been determined by the owning agency to contain classified information at the time they were sent or received. Eight of those chains contained information that was Top Secret at the time they were sent; 36 chains contained Secret information at the time; and eight contained Confidential information, which is the lowest level of classification.

So I guess you were wrong they were marked.
More so at least 7 of them were marked special access or above.


Where did you read that? He admits to Clinton in his emails, that he used 3rd party email and communication (phones) to avoid putting things in the hands of the state department and hence the "archives".
Yes his private emails. All government emails must be turned over to the records department for filing.

Ahh well that might be, but there was a law on data retention... which Powell broke (and Rove and the Bush administration), plus there was basic security or dont you think that existed back then in the dark ages of the Bush administration? There was a reason that the SoS and other government officials had to use official state computers and communications equipment.. security. By directly avoiding that, they were putting themselves and the country at risk of espionage by other nations. Powell avoided this.. he put himself at risk and the country. Why the GOP are not attacking him and any others that have done this over the years.. is frankly hypocritical as hell.

Again what they did does not excuse Clinton and no one can defend her.
Again they did it to is the argument of a 5 year old.
 
Re: House Democrats Release Emails Between Colin Powell and Hillary Clinton Showing A

So far it was more secure than clintons. In any event the other difference is a bill that Obama signed after Powell was gone saying that all email needed to go through .gov servers that didn't exist before.

He did it to is the excuse of a 5 year old.


I posted the only link the matters




You evidently didn't read the FBI report or ignored what you didn't like which doesn't surprise me.
110 e-mails in 52 e-mail chains have been determined by the owning agency to contain classified information at the time they were sent or received. Eight of those chains contained information that was Top Secret at the time they were sent; 36 chains contained Secret information at the time; and eight contained Confidential information, which is the lowest level of classification.

So I guess you were wrong they were marked.
More so at least 7 of them were marked special access or above.



Yes his private emails. All government emails must be turned over to the records department for filing.



Again what they did does not excuse Clinton and no one can defend her.
Again they did it to is the argument of a 5 year old.

Just three email chains included some sort of classification marking: At least one paragraph preceded by the marking "(C)," indicating that those paragraphs were "confidential," the lowest level of classification. But none of the three had a header, footer or cover page further signaling that the emails contained confidential information.

Even though there was a "(C)" preceding the paragraphs, this information was not properly marked confidential because it did not include the header, FBI Director James Comey said in a July 7 hearing before Congress. It’s "reasonable," he said, that Clinton may not have realized these were classified.

Hillary Clinton says none of her emails had classification headers | PolitiFact

As for the "he did it too," that is specifically to refute that Clinton was lying about getting advice from Powell about keeping emails private.
 
Re: House Democrats Release Emails Between Colin Powell and Hillary Clinton Showing A

i saw the thank you

and i saw his response

neither one had a date on them....

just her original email has a date....

i find that unusual at best....

First you say you didn't see a thank you - now you say you do?

What is unusual is you thinking Powell would not reply to the SOS within fairly short order.

And you know, all the details in that email about giving her advice on things like what to look out for at State, 'new rules' about BlackBerries which would date it around January 23, (when newly installed President Obama negotiated the usage of his own BlackBerry) and her thanking him for the advice about life on the "7th floor."

For those who haven't read it, here it is:



I didn't have a BlackBerry. What I did do was have a personal computer that was hooked up to a private phone line (sounds ancient.) So I could communicate with a wide range of friends directly without it going through the State Department servers. I even used it to do business with some foreign leaders and some of the senior folks in the Department on their personal email accounts. I did the same thing on the road in hotels.

Now, the real issue had to do with PDAs, as we called them a few years ago before BlackBerry became a noun. And the issue was DS would not allow them into the secure spaces, especially up your way. When I asked why not they gave me all kinds of nonsense about how they gave out signals and could be read by spies, etc. Same reason they tried to keep mobile phones out of the suite. I had numerous meetings with them. We even opened one up for them to try to explain to me why it was more dangerous than say, a remote control for one of the many tvs in the suite. Or something embedded in my shoe heel. They never satisfied me and NSA/CIA wouldn't back off. So, we just went about our business and stopped asking. I had an ancient version of a PDA and used it. In general, the suite was so sealed that it is hard to get signals in or out wirelessly.

However, there is a real danger. If it is public that you have a BlackBerry and it it government and you are using it, government or not, to do business, it may become an official record and subject to the law. Reading about the President's BB rules this morning, it sounds like it won't be as useful as it used to be. Be very careful. I got around it all by not saying much and not using systems that captured the data.

You will find DS driving you crazy if you let them. They had Maddy tied up in knots. I refused to let them live in my house or build a place on my property. They found an empty garage half a block away. On weekends, I drove my beloved cars around town without them following me. I promised I would have a phone and not be gone more than an hour or two at Tysons or the hardware store. They hated it and asked me to sigh a letter relieving them of responsibility if I got whacked while doing that. I gladly did. Spontaneity was my security. They wanted to have two to three guys follow me around the building all the time. I said if they were doing their job guarding the place, they didn't need to follow me. I relented and let one guy follow me one full corridor behind just so they knew where I was if I was needed immediately. Their job is to keep you hermetically sealed up.

Love, Colin

http://democrats.oversight.house.go...uments/DOS-HOGR-09022016-000001 to 000003.pdf
 
Re: House Democrats Release Emails Between Colin Powell and Hillary Clinton Showing A

Hillary Clinton says none of her emails had classification headers | PolitiFact

As for the "he did it too," that is specifically to refute that Clinton was lying about getting advice from Powell about keeping emails private.

Sick of this damn excuse it doesn't have to have frighten headers for to to still be marked classified.
Clinton’s Handling of Classified Information

She signed a paper stating that she understood how to tell classified emails from nine classified emails.
It is her job and expectation to know what is classified or not.

So she is either a damn liar which we know is true or she is mentally incompetent and too stupid to know
What she is dealing with.
 
Re: House Democrats Release Emails Between Colin Powell and Hillary Clinton Showing A

You evidently didn't read what he said. That or you simply didn't understand it.
When he sent the email has 0 bearing on whether the server was up and running before that.

It has no bearing that Powell lied?
 
Re: House Democrats Release Emails Between Colin Powell and Hillary Clinton Showing A

Hillary Clinton says none of her emails had classification headers | PolitiFact

As for the "he did it too," that is specifically to refute that Clinton was lying about getting advice from Powell about keeping emails private.

Technically the story was that Powell talked about it during a dinner conversation, not an email. And Powell said he doesnt remember that.

During that dinner, Conason reports, Albright asked the former secretaries to impart advice to Clinton.

Powell told her to use her own email, as he had done, except for classified communications, which he had sent and received via a State Department computer,"
General Powell has no recollection of the dinner conversation. He did write former Secretary Clinton an email memo describing his use of his personal AOL email account for unclassified messages and how it vastly improved communications within the State Department."

Read more: Powell has 'no recollection' of Clinton email dinner conversation - POLITICO
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And the state dept computer he was referring to may have been the home computer that he mentions in the OP. Which would have been secure as it was probably point to point encrypted. In 2001 he would have had a desktop PC with a DSL maybe to get on AOL.

It probably should be investigated, but Im sure what point there would be at this point. It happend 15 years ago, and he doesnt have clearance anymore. The tech and procedures have changed. If he sought clearance again, then it would sure be relevant.
 
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Sick of this damn excuse it doesn't have to have frighten headers for to to still be marked classified.
Clinton’s Handling of Classified Information

She signed a paper stating that she understood how to tell classified emails from nine classified emails.
It is her job and expectation to know what is classified or not.

So she is either a damn liar which we know is true or she is mentally incompetent and too stupid to know
What she is dealing with.

You keep using the word "marked." Apparently they weren't actually marked.
 
Re: House Democrats Release Emails Between Colin Powell and Hillary Clinton Showing A

Technically the story was that Powell talked about it during a dinner conversation, not an email. And Powell said he doesnt remember that.



And the state dept computer he was referring to may have been the home computer that he mentions in the OP. Which would have been secure as it was probably point to point encrypted. In 2001 he would have had a desktop PC with a DSL maybe to get on AOL.

It probably should be investigated, but Im sure what point there would be at this point. It happend 15 years ago, and he doesnt have clearance anymore. The tech and procedures have changed. If he sought clearance again, then it would sure be relevant.

Read the linked article in the OP.
 
Re: House Democrats Release Emails Between Colin Powell and Hillary Clinton Showing A

First you say you didn't see a thank you - now you say you do?

What is unusual is you thinking Powell would not reply to the SOS within fairly short order.

And you know, all the details in that email about giving her advice on things like what to look out for at State, 'new rules' about BlackBerries which would date it around January 23, (when newly installed President Obama negotiated the usage of his own BlackBerry) and her thanking him for the advice about life on the "7th floor."

For those who haven't read it, here it is:



I didn't have a BlackBerry. What I did do was have a personal computer that was hooked up to a private phone line (sounds ancient.) So I could communicate with a wide range of friends directly without it going through the State Department servers. I even used it to do business with some foreign leaders and some of the senior folks in the Department on their personal email accounts. I did the same thing on the road in hotels.

Now, the real issue had to do with PDAs, as we called them a few years ago before BlackBerry became a noun. And the issue was DS would not allow them into the secure spaces, especially up your way. When I asked why not they gave me all kinds of nonsense about how they gave out signals and could be read by spies, etc. Same reason they tried to keep mobile phones out of the suite. I had numerous meetings with them. We even opened one up for them to try to explain to me why it was more dangerous than say, a remote control for one of the many tvs in the suite. Or something embedded in my shoe heel. They never satisfied me and NSA/CIA wouldn't back off. So, we just went about our business and stopped asking. I had an ancient version of a PDA and used it. In general, the suite was so sealed that it is hard to get signals in or out wirelessly.

However, there is a real danger. If it is public that you have a BlackBerry and it it government and you are using it, government or not, to do business, it may become an official record and subject to the law. Reading about the President's BB rules this morning, it sounds like it won't be as useful as it used to be. Be very careful. I got around it all by not saying much and not using systems that captured the data.

You will find DS driving you crazy if you let them. They had Maddy tied up in knots. I refused to let them live in my house or build a place on my property. They found an empty garage half a block away. On weekends, I drove my beloved cars around town without them following me. I promised I would have a phone and not be gone more than an hour or two at Tysons or the hardware store. They hated it and asked me to sigh a letter relieving them of responsibility if I got whacked while doing that. I gladly did. Spontaneity was my security. They wanted to have two to three guys follow me around the building all the time. I said if they were doing their job guarding the place, they didn't need to follow me. I relented and let one guy follow me one full corridor behind just so they knew where I was if I was needed immediately. Their job is to keep you hermetically sealed up.

Love, Colin

http://democrats.oversight.house.go...uments/DOS-HOGR-09022016-000001 to 000003.pdf

maybe my writing was the issue, or your reading comprehension....but yes i saw the thank you note the first time

and again....i see no dates on anything other than the first email

did he reply back in a day? a week? a month? longer?

and reposting the whole email is just wasting space....again NO DATES

and yes....i find that unusual....every email i send and receive has dates on it

why dont those?

and a second question....when did Hillary install her server? do we know? was it before she took office?
 
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