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Former Texas official says he was told to drop Trump University probe

All apologies Mason. My post apparently went right over your head. I could probably use some communication skill .101 classes. Or, perhaps I misunderstood your post altogether.

Please let me try again. I will type slower this time.

You posted:



I was sort of agreeing with you but in a different light.

People want to defend Trump because his brand on a University or a Vodka bottle doesn't necessarily hold him accountable for the product in and of itself. Can we agree on that? Have we not both read posts here that clearly state that opinion?

Well, if that's so, and Trump has no accountability over the ventures that fly his banner, is that what we will accept as a P.O.T.U.S? A brand name? No accountability? No relative content to Trump, other than buying a label?

We hear Trump himself say that "he" never went bankrupt, only his business ventures did. As others were left holding the bag, Trump being the Gypsie in the palace that he is, made out like a, well, Gypsie in a palace. He's a ****ing punk.

He has ruined people's lives and crushed REAL people's dreams. It's all there in black and white for anyone interested on educating their selves on it. Hell, he don't even deny it. He hides behind the rules of the game and uses it for his defense but his lack of personal character and contempt for anyone other than himself shines through like the sun after an April shower.

And his supporters simply do not care. Hell, some applaud him for it.

Captain, do you agree that Obama is 100% responsible for everything that happens with the Federal Government while he is President?

The Benghazi deaths, Obama is responsible.

The IRS scandal, Obama is responsible.

The list goes on.

You are asking if Trump becomes President should he be held responsible for every action taken within his government.

If he should be, should Obama as well?
 
Captain, do you agree that Obama is 100% responsible for everything that happens with the Federal Government while he is President?

The Benghazi deaths, Obama is responsible.

The IRS scandal, Obama is responsible.

The list goes on.

You are asking if Trump becomes President should he be held responsible for every action taken within his government.

If he should be, should Obama as well?

Well, I agree that the buck stops on his desk as he IS the POTUS and ultimately responsible. His detractors sure seem to think so too. Heck, the Trumper's blame Obama for everything from Benghazi to planter's warts. Why should Trump be any different if he is the HMFIC?
 
Trump U agreed to stop all operations in Texas. The state got what it wanted. Why spend millions in the courtroom and perhaps lose? I don't want someone with your lofty mindset spending MY tax dollars on principle...

Meanwhile, the students all got screwed.
 
Meanwhile, the students all got screwed.

How many complaints were there? Why do you say they ALL got screwed? Even if the state prosecuted, the REAL remedy is civil court.
 
How many complaints were there? Why do you say they ALL got screwed? Even if the state prosecuted, the REAL remedy is civil court.

That's not the way it works in Texas. If the AG gets involved, the money is recovered. I had a damn good experience with them when I got screwed on a car repair.

As it stands now, all the students are on their own in trying to recover their money.

And, The AG office in Texas is also responsible for collecting money from deadbeat dads who don't pay their child support. But, according to you, it would be OK if they dropped that. After all, those single moms still have civil court. Jeez!!
 
So bribing politicians is a non issue only when Trump does it? Him running a ponzi scheme is not relevant because it is Trump? That his charity foundation is a sham is not relevant but it is when it is the Clintons? Hypocrisy much? Talk about rigged elections if the media does not go after Trump on these clearly criminal acts.

Coming from a person who avoids Hillary's corruption.

Nice work Pete!
 
Coming from a person who avoids Hillary's corruption.

Nice work Pete!

Hillary is corrupt all right, and she should have to pay for it. But what astounds me is that Trump's comrades will say whatever it takes to gloss over Trump's corruption. Trump was right. He really could shoot to death someone on Fifth Ave in New York and not lose any supporters, because most of them are just as amoral as he is.
 
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Well, I agree that the buck stops on his desk as he IS the POTUS and ultimately responsible. His detractors sure seem to think so too. Heck, the Trumper's blame Obama for everything from Benghazi to planter's warts. Why should Trump be any different if he is the HMFIC?

Planters warts!! That's another real issue. We need to hold at least 50 Congressional hearings on that alone.
 
That's not the way it works in Texas. If the AG gets involved, the money is recovered. I had a damn good experience with them when I got screwed on a car repair.

As it stands now, all the students are on their own in trying to recover their money.

And, The AG office in Texas is also responsible for collecting money from deadbeat dads who don't pay their child support. But, according to you, it would be OK if they dropped that. After all, those single moms still have civil court. Jeez!!

Yes! By all means! Let's compare apples to oranges.
 
Yes! By all means! Let's compare apples to oranges.

Not comparing anything to anything else. BOTH are the AG's god damned job. They had a case against Trump, and they gave him a pass. Why don't you steal from a bunch of people in Texas and see how many years YOUR ass ends up behind bars.
 
I got this one all figured out! Ted Cruz, using Bush Bucks, paid off the AG. EZPZLemonSqueezy.
 
Coming from a person who avoids Hillary's corruption.

Nice work Pete!

What corruption? Has she bought off politicians? There are a lot of accusations coming from the US right wing, but where is the evidence that is as clear as the stuff against Trump?
 
So you're putting Obama and Trump on the same level eh? Pretty sure I've heard some major complaints about Obama....not looking good for ol' Trump if your only excuse is "Obama did it".

And this is the problem. Donald Trump was correct when he bragged that he could commit murder in broad daylight on 5th Avenue in New York and not lose any supporters. Why? Because most of his supporters are just as amoral as he is.
 
How many complaints were there? Why do you say they ALL got screwed? Even if the state prosecuted, the REAL remedy is civil court.

Many of them might be just too embarassed to let on that they were duped.

Or, maybe, is was some guy who signed up for the school while he was really drunk, at 2:30 in the morning, surfing the net after watching one of those infomercials like they show on TV like the Carlton Sheets get rich quick real estate courses and ended up having to hide a box full of cd's, brochures and books in the linen closet way back in the corner covered with old blankets. He just don't want the whole world to know about it.

Just a guess, of course. ;)
 
And this is the problem. Donald Trump was correct when he bragged that he could commit murder in broad daylight on 5th Avenue in New York and not lose any supporters. Why? Because most of his supporters are just as amoral as he is.

I am not amoral. I have donated to Trump's campaign.

Why can people not understand that there is a rather large contingency of Americans who absolutely do NOT want HC to win the presidency. And see their option as being a vote for Trump, not expecting him to win BUT hoping it scares the bejeebers out of both parties for next time.

How do I know this? Because I learned a long time ago that there's nothing much unique about Maggie's thought process. There are plenty millions who think just like me.
 
I am not amoral. I have donated to Trump's campaign.

Why can people not understand that there is a rather large contingency of Americans who absolutely do NOT want HC to win the presidency. And see their option as being a vote for Trump, not expecting him to win BUT hoping it scares the bejeebers out of both parties for next time.

How do I know this? Because I learned a long time ago that there's nothing much unique about Maggie's thought process. There are plenty millions who think just like me.

Yeah, but you're much cuter than they are.
 
I am not amoral. I have donated to Trump's campaign.

Why can people not understand that there is a rather large contingency of Americans who absolutely do NOT want HC to win the presidency. And see their option as being a vote for Trump, not expecting him to win BUT hoping it scares the bejeebers out of both parties for next time.

How do I know this? Because I learned a long time ago that there's nothing much unique about Maggie's thought process. There are plenty millions who think just like me.

That kind of thinking is what got the brexit debacle
 
Coming from a person who avoids Hillary's corruption.

Nice work Pete!

How many (if any) of Clinton's alleged corrupt incidents have been proven? Compare them to this partial list:

"But the truth is that you’d have to work incredibly hard to find a politician who has the kind of history of corruption, double-dealing, and fraud that Donald Trump has. The number of stories which could potentially deserve hundreds and hundreds of articles is absolutely staggering. Here’s a partial list:

Trump’s casino bankruptcies, which left investors holding the bag while he skedaddled with their money
Trump’s habit of refusing to pay contractors who had done work for him, many of whom are struggling small businesses
Trump University, which includes not only the people who got scammed and the Florida investigation, but also a similar story from Texas where the investigation into Trump U was quashed.
The Trump Institute, another get-rich-quick scheme in which Trump allowed a couple of grifters to use his name to bilk people out of their money
The Trump Network, a multi-level marketing venture (a.k.a. pyramid scheme) that involved customers mailing in a urine sample which would be analyzed to produce for them a specially formulated package of multivitamins
Trump Model Management, which reportedly had foreign models lie to customs officials and work in the U.S. illegally, and kept them in squalid conditions while they earned almost nothing for the work they did
Trump’s employment of foreign guest workers at his resorts, which involves a claim that he can’t find Americans to do the work
Trump’s use of hundreds of undocumented workers from Poland in the 1980s, who were paid a pittance for their illegal work
Trump’s history of being charged with housing discrimination
Trump’s connections to mafia figures involved in New York construction
The time Trump paid the Federal Trade Commission $750,000 over charges that he violated anti-trust laws when trying to take over a rival casino company
The fact that Trump is now being advised by Roger Ailes, who was forced out as Fox News chief when dozens of women came forward to charge him with sexual harassment. According to the allegations, Ailes’s behavior was positively monstrous; as just one indicator, his abusive and predatory actions toward women were so well-known and so loathsome that in 1968 the morally upstanding folks in the Nixon administration refused to allow him to work there despite his key role in getting Nixon elected."


And this list does not even refer to Trump's crude, obscene, and infantile behavior in public, his demonstrated lack of knowledge of economics or geopolitics, and his willingness to lie and flip flop on any number of so called policy statements.

These are not fabrications from partisan sources, or unqualified blogs or angry scribblings, they are on record. Any one or two of these used to be enough to scupper a candidates campaign, if not his political career. The fact that Trump has made it so far is a lamentable testament to the downwards slide of American society.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blog...erm=.cfe4ef148f17&wpisrc=nl_most-draw8&wpmm=1https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2016/09/05/trumps-history-of-corruption-is-mind-boggling-so-why-is-clinton-supposedly-the-corrupt-one/?utm_term=.cfe4ef148f17&wpisrc=nl_most-draw8&wpmm=1
 
Not comparing anything to anything else. BOTH are the AG's god damned job. They had a case against Trump, and they gave him a pass. Why don't you steal from a bunch of people in Texas and see how many years YOUR ass ends up behind bars.

What case? Who did Donald Trump steel from?

Are you this outraged at the laws the clintons have broken? Why is the AG doing her goddamn job concerning that?
 
How many (if any) of Clinton's alleged corrupt incidents have been proven? Compare them to this partial list:

"But the truth is that you’d have to work incredibly hard to find a politician who has the kind of history of corruption, double-dealing, and fraud that Donald Trump has. The number of stories which could potentially deserve hundreds and hundreds of articles is absolutely staggering. Here’s a partial list:

Trump’s casino bankruptcies, which left investors holding the bag while he skedaddled with their money
Trump’s habit of refusing to pay contractors who had done work for him, many of whom are struggling small businesses
Trump University, which includes not only the people who got scammed and the Florida investigation, but also a similar story from Texas where the investigation into Trump U was quashed.
The Trump Institute, another get-rich-quick scheme in which Trump allowed a couple of grifters to use his name to bilk people out of their money
The Trump Network, a multi-level marketing venture (a.k.a. pyramid scheme) that involved customers mailing in a urine sample which would be analyzed to produce for them a specially formulated package of multivitamins
Trump Model Management, which reportedly had foreign models lie to customs officials and work in the U.S. illegally, and kept them in squalid conditions while they earned almost nothing for the work they did
Trump’s employment of foreign guest workers at his resorts, which involves a claim that he can’t find Americans to do the work
Trump’s use of hundreds of undocumented workers from Poland in the 1980s, who were paid a pittance for their illegal work
Trump’s history of being charged with housing discrimination
Trump’s connections to mafia figures involved in New York construction
The time Trump paid the Federal Trade Commission $750,000 over charges that he violated anti-trust laws when trying to take over a rival casino company
The fact that Trump is now being advised by Roger Ailes, who was forced out as Fox News chief when dozens of women came forward to charge him with sexual harassment. According to the allegations, Ailes’s behavior was positively monstrous; as just one indicator, his abusive and predatory actions toward women were so well-known and so loathsome that in 1968 the morally upstanding folks in the Nixon administration refused to allow him to work there despite his key role in getting Nixon elected."


And this list does not even refer to Trump's crude, obscene, and infantile behavior in public, his demonstrated lack of knowledge of economics or geopolitics, and his willingness to lie and flip flop on any number of so called policy statements.

These are not fabrications from partisan sources, or unqualified blogs or angry scribblings, they are on record. Any one or two of these used to be enough to scupper a candidates campaign, if not his political career. The fact that Trump has made it so far is a lamentable testament to the downwards slide of American society.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blog...erm=.cfe4ef148f17&wpisrc=nl_most-draw8&wpmm=1https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2016/09/05/trumps-history-of-corruption-is-mind-boggling-so-why-is-clinton-supposedly-the-corrupt-one/?utm_term=.cfe4ef148f17&wpisrc=nl_most-draw8&wpmm=1

How many of Donald Trump's alleged crimes been proven?
 
LOL sure.... and there is no sand in the Sahara.

That's a wild bull**** accusation, there isn't even allegations of a bribe. Guessing from the story at the link but it looks like Owens took the case file and released it to the press while it was still under investigation. That's extremely prejudicial to picking a jury and an instant appeal win, not to mention against the ethics of prosecutors---both taking the file home and releasing it.

And not to put too fine a point on it but they stopped operations in Texas.

If they really did take all that money and have no intentions of returning it, I have a real problem with that. That is not how business is done ethically.
 
How many (if any) of Clinton's alleged corrupt incidents have been proven? Compare them to this partial list:

"But the truth is that you’d have to work incredibly hard to find a politician who has the kind of history of corruption, double-dealing, and fraud that Donald Trump has. The number of stories which could potentially deserve hundreds and hundreds of articles is absolutely staggering. Here’s a partial list:

Trump’s casino bankruptcies, which left investors holding the bag while he skedaddled with their money
Trump’s habit of refusing to pay contractors who had done work for him, many of whom are struggling small businesses
Trump University, which includes not only the people who got scammed and the Florida investigation, but also a similar story from Texas where the investigation into Trump U was quashed.
The Trump Institute, another get-rich-quick scheme in which Trump allowed a couple of grifters to use his name to bilk people out of their money
The Trump Network, a multi-level marketing venture (a.k.a. pyramid scheme) that involved customers mailing in a urine sample which would be analyzed to produce for them a specially formulated package of multivitamins
Trump Model Management, which reportedly had foreign models lie to customs officials and work in the U.S. illegally, and kept them in squalid conditions while they earned almost nothing for the work they did
Trump’s employment of foreign guest workers at his resorts, which involves a claim that he can’t find Americans to do the work
Trump’s use of hundreds of undocumented workers from Poland in the 1980s, who were paid a pittance for their illegal work
Trump’s history of being charged with housing discrimination
Trump’s connections to mafia figures involved in New York construction
The time Trump paid the Federal Trade Commission $750,000 over charges that he violated anti-trust laws when trying to take over a rival casino company
The fact that Trump is now being advised by Roger Ailes, who was forced out as Fox News chief when dozens of women came forward to charge him with sexual harassment. According to the allegations, Ailes’s behavior was positively monstrous; as just one indicator, his abusive and predatory actions toward women were so well-known and so loathsome that in 1968 the morally upstanding folks in the Nixon administration refused to allow him to work there despite his key role in getting Nixon elected."


And this list does not even refer to Trump's crude, obscene, and infantile behavior in public, his demonstrated lack of knowledge of economics or geopolitics, and his willingness to lie and flip flop on any number of so called policy statements.

These are not fabrications from partisan sources, or unqualified blogs or angry scribblings, they are on record. Any one or two of these used to be enough to scupper a candidates campaign, if not his political career. The fact that Trump has made it so far is a lamentable testament to the downwards slide of American society.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blog...erm=.cfe4ef148f17&wpisrc=nl_most-draw8&wpmm=1https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2016/09/05/trumps-history-of-corruption-is-mind-boggling-so-why-is-clinton-supposedly-the-corrupt-one/?utm_term=.cfe4ef148f17&wpisrc=nl_most-draw8&wpmm=1

Paul Waldmen's book list:
The Press Effect: Politicians, Journalists, and the Stories That Shape the Political World (2000, with Kathleen Hall Jamieson)
Fraud: The Strategy Behind the Bush Lies and why the Media Didn't Tell You (2004)
Being Right is Not Enough: What Progressives Must Learn From Conservative Success (2006)
Free Ride: John McCain and the Media (2008, with David Brock)

David Brock is the founder of Media Matters. He looks entirely credible and non partisan. :roll:
 
Trump U agreed to stop all operations in Texas. The state got what it wanted. Why spend millions in the courtroom and perhaps lose? I don't want someone with your lofty mindset spending MY tax dollars on principle...

That's how states should handle EVERY crime- just get the perp to stop committing crimes in the future. Think of all the money we'd save!!!!
 
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