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Majority of Voters Want Donald Trump to Release Tax Returns: Poll

Cardinal said:
Red herring. He can release the returns.



The majority of people have concluded that it's neither a horse nor dead.
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legally, yes he can

but he has paid lawyers and cpa's gobs of money to advise him of what he SHOULD do

and they say dont release until audit is over......period
 
gdgyva said:
so if most people asked you to jump off the trump tower without a chute, you would do it?

stop it...
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No.

his counsel...lawyers and cpa's have advised him against it....
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So they're the holding him in a basement with a gun to his head? He doesn't have final say-so? Besides, if his counsel is advising him not to release his tax info, that sounds suggestive of something bad.

gdgyva said:
until the audit is over, he will not release based on their advice....period

maybe you go against professional advice....

most of us that pay for such, heed it
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Nobody from the last forty years needed counsel to tell them not to release their tax returns. Interesting, that.
 
Cardinal said:
No.



So they're the holding him in a basement with a gun to his head? He doesn't have final say-so? Besides, if his counsel is advising him not to release his tax info, that sounds suggestive of something bad.



Nobody from the last forty years needed counsel to tell them not to release their tax returns. Interesting, that.
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omg...too dense for me

like talking to a wall

maybe they didnt need that advice because they WERENT UNDER AUDIT

i am done....before i say or do something that will get me in trouble here
 
gdgyva said:
how many others in that 40 years were under audit by the IRS?

the answer is none....

which is why no one has had an issue up till now

god....stop beating a dead horse

get your friend at the white house to call off the audits, or wait till they are over

end of over
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The audits do not prevent him from releasing his returns. How many times does he and do his supporters have to be told that? We all know the real reason why Trump won't release them. Trump claims to be fabulously rich and has been hanging his credentials on that from day one but for years he's been filing for tax credits in NY that are reserved for those earning less than 500k. So either he's a liar or a fraudster and he doesn't want us to know which.
 
Napoleon said:
The audits do not prevent him from releasing his returns. How many times does he and do his supporters have to be told that? We all know the real reason why Trump won't release them. Trump claims to be fabulously rich and has been hanging his credentials on that from day one but for years he's been filing for tax credits in NY that are reserved for those earning less than 500k. So either he's a liar or a fraudster and he doesn't want us to know which.
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see prior post

and one before that, and one before that, and the one before that

maybe just maybe it will get though

i doubt it....
 
Cardinal said:
If there is nothing then there is nothing to make him look bad. If there is something then there will be something to make him look bad. That's the point of releasing one's tax return: to show that there's nothing to make you look bad (if only in your tax return).
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That isn't how it works, Cardinal. Would you say the Hillary email scandal is well founded or do you believe it is making something out of nothing?

Alright then, so you agree that there's nothing wrong with her tax return, so there's nothing to use against her there. See how that works?
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When did I ever make a statement about her tax return? Hillary isn't turning over emails she sent and received as Secretary of State... so obviously she is hiding something. See how that works?
 
prometeus said:
I do not care, but if you have facts present them instead of the usual diversion.
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Oy vey! I was asking you if you knew? Do you?


prometeus said:
Maybe by your standards, but they certainly are not resounding successes.
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iLOL
As a deal maker it is what he does. He made deals to his benefit.



prometeus said:
Of common decency, something that appears entirely alien to you.
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Hioly crap. No such thing. So what you are really saying is "by your imagination". Sorry, that doesn't fly.


prometeus said:
As is everything that you can not refute or contradicts your devotion to the man.
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Hilarious. Your imagination is your imagination. It is irrelevant to this.


prometeus said:
Yes and you are running away from that.
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Pointing out that what you later established as made up was irrelevant is not running from anything. It is actually hilarious that you think it is.
It is pointing out what it is.


prometeus said:
It is not my concern so much as it is his.
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Your response doesn't jibe.
You are concerned about his tax returns - but not if the IRS found illegal activity. Strange.
So what you are saying is that you just want them to be dug through so a mountain can be made out of a mole hill "if" one can be found.
Exactly as thought.


prometeus said:
until then wait until the audit is over.
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Again why? What is he hiding and why are you deflecting yet again?
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You seem to be confused.
There has been no deflection and there is no hiding.
That he said will not release them until the audit is over is fact. That is not hiding.
Saying you will have to wait until then is not a deflection, as it is also fact.
That you would even say that just exposes how ridiculously biased your position is.

He said he would turn over records that he does not have to and does not need to and you just cant accept that because it is not on your time table. Wow!
Talk about bias.


prometeus said:
Need? The need is his to hide.
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You first have to have evidence that he is hiding something. You do not have it.
All you have is biased speculative nonsense.
Especially as we know they will be released once the audit is over. Or if you do not understand what that means, you will discover then what ever you would discover if they were released now.


prometeus said:
True, but that is not the issue.
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Actually it is.
Folks want something that they are not entitled to, and he isn't telling folks to stuff the request, which he would be clearly in right to do so.
He is saying sure I will release them as soon as the audit is over.


prometeus said:
Yes another deflection.
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iLOL
That isn't a deflection.
That is operating on the advice from those he hired.
 
gdgyva said:
omg...too dense for me

like talking to a wall
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Tell me about it. The average Donald supporter has a memory going back 15 hours. They can't seem to recall that Donald's sole qualification for running for President is his wealth and success, so they seem genuinely confused by concern over the fact that he refuses to release the two pieces of information that could tangibly quantify that claim.

maybe they didnt need that advice because they WERENT UNDER AUDIT
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Which speaks better of them than it does of him.

i am done....before i say or do something that will get me in trouble here
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Good god, if Clinton had been under audit...
 
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jmotivator said:
That isn't how it works, Cardinal. Would you say the Hillary email scandal is well founded or do you believe it is making something out of nothing?
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Would you think it reasonable if I said that Clinton shouldn't release her emails because there might be something in them that her opponents could use against her?

That's your argument, used for Trump.

jmotivator said:
When did I ever make a statement about her tax return? Hillary isn't turning over emails she sent and received as Secretary of State... so obviously she is hiding something. See how that works?
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And now we have something that Trump is so clearly trying to hide. You happily go on the offensive when it comes to Clinton and her emails, yet Trump gets a pass, as usual. The hypocrisy by Donald's supporters is large enough to have its own gravitational pull.
 
Cardinal said:
Because Trump's sole qualification to being President is that he's a successful businessman. I should hire a programmer to write a script so that I automatically post this response since it's clearly your intention to spam the forum with that question.



The investigation into her emails should be delayed until after the election.
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He is a successful businessman, making a dollar in business is a success. Not a success is when you end up with nothing.
 
Slyfox696 said:
I honestly just don't care. Health issues, for either candidate, are a reasonable concern, but I just am not too worried about tax returns. If they've done something illegal, then that's between them and the IRS. But releasing tax returns just isn't something I care about at all.

And yes, I think there's a reason he's not releasing them (likely because people would criticize something in them), but I can just think of a whole host of things I care about far more than tax returns.
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It isn't very high on my care meter, but transparency should be in everyone's interest, from tax returns to healthcare records to speeches given. Everything out in the open. Every time I got a job, I was scrutinized and fingerprinted, even though I never ran for POTUS.
Out with it.
 
Napoleon said:
The audits do not prevent him from releasing his returns. How many times does he and do his supporters have to be told that?
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What do you not understand about the legal advice he received?
Whether you like it or not, there is valid reason behind that advice.


Napoleon said:
We all know the real reason why Trump won't release them.
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No you do nto .All you want to do is speculate. Sorry assuming doesn't cut it.


Napoleon said:
Trump claims to be fabulously rich and has been hanging his credentials on that from day one but for years he's been filing for tax credits in NY that are reserved for those earning less than 500k. So either he's a liar or a fraudster and he doesn't want us to know which.
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Hilarious.
It doesn't automatically mean what you assume it means.
 
Born Free said:
He is a successful businessman, making a dollar in business is a success. Not a success is when you end up with nothing.
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And I'd like to quantify that. Your word is not sufficient.
 
Simpleχity;1066268562 said:
If there is nothing for Trump to fear, why does he steadfastly refuse?
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I already said why, did you not read my post that you just now responded too. I repeat

Individual income tax returns — including those of public figures — are private information, protected by law from unauthorized disclosure. Indeed, the Internal Revenue Service is barred from releasing any taxpayer information whatsoever, except to authorized agencies and individuals.

Like all other citizens, U.S. presidents enjoy this protection of their privacy. Since the early 1970s, however, most presidents have chosen to release their returns publicly. In the hope of making this information more widely available, the Tax History Project at Tax Analysts has compiled an archive of presidential tax returns.

Because there is enough information available in his tax return to sink his presidential aspirations.
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You mean like Hillary's e-mails that she destroyed. Is that what you're referring too.
 
jmotivator said:
I think you hit the nail on the head. It makes no sense to release tax returns when we already know there is a whole industry geared up to shred them and build pro-Hillary narratives out of thin gruel.

If he waits until the IRS has completed his audit then he can swat aside any such narrative by simply pointing out that he cleared his audit.
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That's pretty much how I feel. It doesn't matter what's actually in his tax returns. If they show he is 100% honest (which I seriously doubt, he IS a politician now and a marketer before), then that can be used against him, similar to how Romney's wealth was used against him (ignoring, of course, how wealthy the Clintons are). If the returns show anything less than 100% honesty, then that becomes an attack line.

And, at the end of the day, if Trump is doing something illegal, then the IRS should know. Outside of that, I really don't see what viewing Trump's tax returns does to prove himself as a candidate either way.
Lovebug said:
It isn't very high on my care meter, but transparency should be in everyone's interest, from tax returns to healthcare records to speeches given. Everything out in the open. Every time I got a job, I was scrutinized and fingerprinted, even though I never ran for POTUS.
Out with it.
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Did you have to turn your tax records over every time? Because, if so, you must not have changed career industries very often. :)

Also, what does producing tax returns get you? What's the point in that transparency? What's the goal?
 
Slyfox696 said:
That's pretty much how I feel. It doesn't matter what's actually in his tax returns. If they show he is 100% honest (which I seriously doubt, he IS a politician now and a marketer before), then that can be used against him, similar to how Romney's wealth was used against him (ignoring, of course, how wealthy the Clintons are). If the returns show anything less than 100% honesty, then that becomes an attack line.

And, at the end of the day, if Trump is doing something illegal, then the IRS should know. Outside of that, I really don't see what viewing Trump's tax returns does to prove himself as a candidate either way.
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Precisely. If the IRS finds something in their audit then that should impact Trump's political career, but before then? No.

I remember people were up in arms when it was revealed that Romney's new house had a car elevator. People get crazy over nothing.
 
Slyfox696 said:
That's pretty much how I feel. It doesn't matter what's actually in his tax returns. If they show he is 100% honest (which I seriously doubt, he IS a politician now and a marketer before), then that can be used against him, similar to how Romney's wealth was used against him (ignoring, of course, how wealthy the Clintons are). If the returns show anything less than 100% honesty, then that becomes an attack line.

And, at the end of the day, if Trump is doing something illegal, then the IRS should know. Outside of that, I really don't see what viewing Trump's tax returns does to prove himself as a candidate either way.
Did you have to turn your tax records over every time? Because, if so, you must not have changed career industries very often. :)

Also, what does producing tax returns get you? What's the point in that transparency? What's the goal?
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It doesn't serve much purpose, but it is in the being open and transparent category. And no, I never had to release my tax returns, but I never ran for the highest office either. Audits from the IRS are always possible. :)
 
Cardinal said:
Would you think it reasonable if I said that Clinton shouldn't release her emails because there might be something in them that her opponents could use against her?
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If that was the argument you used, yeah. Also, Clinton actually is legally obligated to turn over all work email she generated as Secretary of State so not turning it over is wrong doing from the start.

That's your argument, used for Trump.
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No, it's not. My argument is that releasing his tax return gives fuel for endless engineered outrage over nothing. "ZOMG!! Did you see how much Trump pays for towels!! OUTRAGE!"

And now we have something that Trump is so clearly trying to hide. You happily go on the offensive when it comes to Clinton and her emails, yet Trump gets a pass, as usual. The hypocrisy by Donald's supporters is large enough to have its own gravitational pull.
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I go on the offensive with Hillary because it is a matter of National Security and her housing her own email server is a breech of her duties as Secretary of State. Those two things don't require any of the emails she actually wrote to make it a matter of interest. But asking for her work emails also has legal precedent and is actually required by law while Trump's tax returns are not.
 
jmotivator said:
If that was the argument you used, yeah. Also, Clinton actually is legally obligated to turn over all work email she generated as Secretary of State so not turning it over is wrong doing from the start.



No, it's not. My argument is that releasing his tax return gives fuel for endless engineered outrage over nothing. "ZOMG!! Did you see how much Trump pays for towels!! OUTRAGE!"



I go on the offensive with Hillary because it is a matter of National Security and her housing her own email server is a breech of her duties as Secretary of State. Those two things don't require any of the emails she actually wrote to make it a matter of interest. But asking for her work emails also has legal precedent and is actually required by law while Trump's tax returns are not.
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Most Americans want the tax returns released to insure there is no conflict of interest from either canidate, and I agree.
 
yankintx said:
Most Americans want the tax returns released to insure there is no conflict of interest from either canidate, and I agree.
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What conflicts of interest do you think you will find in the tax return? Out of curiosity do you think we should demand full email release for the Clinton Foundation on those same grounds?
 
Simpleχity;1066259385 said:
Majority of Voters Want Donald Trump to Release Tax Returns: Poll




Whether you agree with the tradition or not, every presidential candidate for the past 40 years has released their tax returns for public scrutiny. 72% of Americans are keenly aware that Trump refuses to honor this tradition despite IRS assurances that he may do so. There is a growing impression that Mr. Trump is knowingly and purposefully concealing embarrassing/damaging financial data.

Since Trump has elected to ignore this tradition and discard common-sense politics, the Clinton campaign will no doubt rollup some easy mileage here via tv/radio ads and as debate fodder.
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The thread title says "majority of voters" which means all voters were polled and the majority wanted something.

Your op references a poll taken but it was not all voters in the country, so you cannot say the majority want anything.
 
Simpleχity;1066261333 said:
Sometimes small things say a lot.

What Trump's refusal says more than anything is that he lacks the political acumen of every presidential candidate of the past 40 years.
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Define refusal in the way you are using it.
 
jmotivator said:
Precisely. If the IRS finds something in their audit then that should impact Trump's political career, but before then? No.

I remember people were up in arms when it was revealed that Romney's new house had a car elevator. People get crazy over nothing.
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I understand making the argument that a rich man, born into a wealthy family, can't understand the plight of the common man. That's an understandable argument. But we don't need Trump's tax returns to tell us he's wealthy, he's gladly admitted to it. So if Clinton's team wants to use the "rich can't understand poor" argument, then can already do so (no matter how hypocritical it would be).
Lovebug said:
It doesn't serve much purpose, but it is in the being open and transparent category.
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We'll just have to disagree. I don't feel like being a member of the public workforce, even as President, requires every detail of your personal life to be made public. Most Americans agree with that, which is why family is usually off-limits during campaigns.

As far as taxes, it just doesn't make much sense to me to insist on the transparency of something which just doesn't serve much purpose. But, again, we'll just have to disagree. :)
 
gdgyva said:
so if most people asked you to jump off the trump tower without a chute, you would do it?
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What does that have anything to do with the topic, well other than deflect from it?

his counsel...lawyers and cpa's have advised him against it...
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Load of crap and nothing more than an excuse.
 
gdgyva said:
omg...too dense for me

like talking to a wall

maybe they didnt need that advice because they WERENT UNDER AUDIT

i am done....before i say or do something that will get me in trouble here
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Well, you haven't said anything relevant other than perpetuate excuses.
 
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