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Hillary Clinton Deleted Emails Using Program Intended To ‘Prevent Recovery’

Her action during this entire fiasco gets lost.

She instructed her people to print out some of the emails and turn them over on paper.

Nobody does that anymore for various reasons.

She then wiped her server of emails she didn't want anybody to see. We will have to take her word for it that they were private. She has also said she instructed her attorneys to wipe the server of those emails so she doesn't really know what they contained.

Slyfox, can I ask you why you use a program that writes over an email over and over again to remove mundane emails? what is the purpose?
 
Thoreau72 said:
It's no wonder Secretary Clinton did not have an Inspector General during her term in office. Privacy is for the elite, not for the common man.
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There was an Acting Inspector General.

Whatever gave you the idea Hillary is the one who appoints IG's?
 
"However, BleachBit may not be quite as sinister as Gowdy makes it out to be. It's one of many services you can download online to free up space on your computer by removing old unused files and clearing out internet history and cookies.
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An advanced version of the service also offers an option for "shredding files to prevent recovery."

"If you're a business user looking for a truly free system cleaner, one interesting option is open-source, cross-platform BleachBit," PCWorld wrote in a 2013 product review.

Jonathan Zdziarski, a computer security expert, characterized BleachBit as a fairly "amateur" tool that doesn't raise any red flags.

"It looks like the type of tool someone would run who's conscious of cleaning old crud off their system," Zdziarski said. "Someone trying to cover their tracks would likely pay for and use a much more expensive, specialized data destruction tool."
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What is BleachBit? Little-known tool at center of Clinton email controversy - Aug. 26, 2016
 
Slyfox696 said:
You're the one who erroneously used it. :shrug:

It wasn't special. Nor was what they used it for remarkable.
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Beyond simply deleting files, BleachBit includes advanced features such as shredding files to prevent recovery, wiping free disk space to hide traces of files deleted by other applications...

They seem to think it's special, but you can argue with them if you think it is so important.

I didn't skip over it, I told you how utterly ridiculous and detached from actuality it was.
So when it's shown you have no idea what you're talking about, you don't even bother to discuss the subject anymore? Good to know.
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We see what you are trying to do here. The story is about what lengths Hillary went to to cover her tracks, or, if you prefer, deleting her yoga emails.

Anyone with a modicum of knowledge knows that when you wish to delete data from a server, you don't just put it in your "Recycle Bin", as you and some others seem to think...
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Blah, blah, blah. Nobody cares. Wow, really? You don't just drop it in the Recycle Bin? LOL!

The story is not about how to remove information from a hard drive so that it can never be read again. I'd explain it to you, but I have a feeling that it won't take.
Apparently, asking you to post as if you have a tiny bit of knowledge on the subject is a bit much.
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What's the thread title again? "How to Wipe a Hard Drive"? LOL!!!
 
Slyfox696 said:
I find it mildly amusing people seem so shocked that someone used software designed to wipe hard drives when they decided to wipe hard drives. I find it downright hypocritically hilarious for people who keep talking about how "insecure" her e-mail server was to now be outraged she used software to securely wipe her hard drives.

Partisanship is so funny.
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How secure was it prior to her wiping it clean? Sure, now nobody can get any info off of it, but her efforts at security extended to her own private emails, not those that should have been secure in the first place. So no, there is no hypocrisy there at all.
 
Paperview said:
The people charged with investigating this disagree with your pedestrian, uniformed opinion.

Unanimously.
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That's because they're in on the fix.
 
Anthony60 said:
Um, you are missing the entire point. These emails, according to Hillary, are about yoga and such. She didn't just delete them, she used special software to make these emails unrecoverable. No one wipes their hard drive, let alone use special software, when deleting unimportant, unrelated emails. You do that when you are hiding something.
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That's just not true. I've used software many times to clean a hard drive, and I don't have anything to hide. I did it six months ago with an old laptop I still use. After I transferred active files to the new laptop, I scrubbed the old one clean including 10s of thousands of emails using "special software" and then reinstalled all the programs I wanted on the old laptop from scratch. It's the recommended way to clean up a bunch of old files with broken extensions, etc. and improve performance. I use a portable hard drive for photos when traveling and when it gets "full" or after a long trip, I back it up to a large hard drive for permanent storage, then periodically clean and reformat the portable hard drive with "special software."

Bottom line is using special software to clean the server is totally unrelated to whether or not she did something improper or illegal.
 
JasperL said:
That's just not true. I've used software many times to clean a hard drive, and I don't have anything to hide. I did it six months ago with an old laptop I still use. After I transferred active files to the new laptop, I scrubbed the old one clean including 10s of thousands of emails using "special software" and then reinstalled all the programs I wanted on the old laptop from scratch. It's the recommended way to clean up a bunch of old files with broken extensions, etc. and improve performance. I use a portable hard drive for photos when traveling and when it gets "full" or after a long trip, I back it up to a large hard drive for permanent storage, then periodically clean and reformat the portable hard drive with "special software."

Bottom line is using special software to clean the server is totally unrelated to whether or not she did something improper or illegal.
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Were you working for a business or government agency? I believe that all those emails, everything on that server, was government property.
 
Anthony60 said:
Were you working for a business or government agency? I believe that all those emails, everything on that server, was government property.
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If so, the criminal or improper act was to hit any "delete" button, not using special software.

And this statement is just flat out false: "No one wipes their hard drive, let alone use special software, when deleting unimportant, unrelated emails. You do that when you are hiding something."
 
JasperL said:
If so, the criminal or improper act was to hit any "delete" button, not using special software.
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No, the criminal act is to not preserve the data, as in deleting it with some kind of software.

And this statement is just flat out false: "No one wipes their hard drive, let alone use special software, when deleting unimportant, unrelated emails. You do that when you are hiding something."
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So, explain to us the procedure for deleting unimportant emails, assuming you have the authority to do so, from your computer. We are talking about an employee using a work computer, not some computer at home that you can go crazy with.
 
Anthony60 said:
No, the criminal act is to not preserve the data, as in deleting it with some kind of software.
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Moving an email to trash, then periodically emptying the trash, is a criminal act if you're required to maintain all your emails. Over time they'll be written over and forever gone, and you're using some kind of software to delete data.

So, explain to us the procedure for deleting unimportant emails, assuming you have the authority to do so, from your computer. We are talking about an employee using a work computer, not some computer at home that you can go crazy with.
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You're moving goal posts here and I have no interest in following you around as they keep shifting.
 
JasperL said:
Moving an email to trash, then periodically emptying the trash, is a criminal act if you're required to maintain all your emails. Over time they'll be written over and forever gone, and you're using some kind of software to delete data.
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You must know about data backups, and the emails saved on a server, not just the client PC. Tsk, tsk.


You're moving goal posts here and I have no interest in following you around as they keep shifting.
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Oh, please, you just don't have an answer.
 
Anthony60 said:
Um, you are missing the entire point. These emails, according to Hillary, are about yoga and such. She didn't just delete them, she used special software to make these emails unrecoverable. No one wipes their hard drive, let alone use special software, when deleting unimportant, unrelated emails. You do that when you are hiding something.
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I do, and have been doing it on a regular basis for years. It not only frees up disk space, but makes my system run a little faster.

You now have my permission to include me in Hillary's conspiracy. It won't stop me from laughing at you, but you, nevertheless, have my permission.

Instead of crazy conspiracy theories, you should be going after Hillary on the real threats she represents. She is a corporate elite and a neoliberal, dedicated not to freedom, but the erosion of freedom. But I am sure you won't listen to me. Instead, you will help Hillary get into office the same way you helped Obama get into office - By posting crazy crap instead of the truth.
 
Anthony60 said:
You must know about data backups, and the emails saved on a server, not just the client PC. Tsk, tsk.
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Yeah, the point was simple - when you move something to the trash, then empty it, that's all that's required to violate a law requiring you to maintain some piece of data. Of course you ignore the point and move the goal posts again....

Oh, please, you just don't have an answer.
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You're wright I have no answer because to have a good answer I'd need to make a bunch of baseless assumptions that might or might not be true, to answer a question that goes nowhere.
 
JasperL said:
Yeah, the point was simple - when you move something to the trash, then empty it, that's all that's required to violate a law requiring you to maintain some piece of data. Of course you ignore the point and move the goal posts again....



You're wright I have no answer because to have a good answer I'd need to make a bunch of baseless assumptions that might or might not be true, to answer a question that goes nowhere.
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Is his first name Stephen? Great comedian. :mrgreen:
 
danarhea said:
Is his first name Stephen? Great comedian. :mrgreen:
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LOL. I agree!

I have no idea how I made that mistake.... not enough coffee or something this morning.
 
danarhea said:
I do, and have been doing it on a regular basis for years. It not only frees up disk space, but makes my system run a little faster.

You now have my permission to include me in Hillary's conspiracy. It won't stop me from laughing at you, but you, nevertheless, have my permission.

Instead of crazy conspiracy theories, you should be going after Hillary on the real threats she represents. She is a corporate elite and a neoliberal, dedicated not to freedom, but the erosion of freedom. But I am sure you won't listen to me. Instead, you will help Hillary get into office the same way you helped Obama get into office - By posting crazy crap instead of the truth.
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Oh, God. Another with no clue. So, you are saying that you get a few emails in that are unimportant, you delete them? But, you are claiming that you wipe the HDD also, then reinstall the OS and all programs? Right.

That would not even be the equivalent of what Hillary did. You would have to also find the server, or servers, where the email is stored, and wipe them too.

Also, we are talking about government/business servers and computers. And, I really doubt you are wiping those.
I'll try not to laugh at you.

Oh, and you claim I have posted "crazy crap" about Obama and Hillary. Maybe I have. Go ahead and provide examples.
 
JasperL said:
Yeah, the point was simple - when you move something to the trash, then empty it, that's all that's required to violate a law requiring you to maintain some piece of data. Of course you ignore the point and move the goal posts again....



You're wright I have no answer because to have a good answer I'd need to make a bunch of baseless assumptions that might or might not be true, to answer a question that goes nowhere.
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You're dismiss until you can come up with something sensical. But I'll wait. I better check out a few library books.
 
Paperview said:
There was an Acting Inspector General.

Whatever gave you the idea Hillary is the one who appoints IG's?
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Perhaps I wrongly assumed that a responsible SecState would ensure her own choice of IG.

As a layman and taxpayer, I would like a little light shined on the subject, if you know what I mean. Especially considering Hillary's criminal reputation, founded or not founded.

And with the luxury of hindsight here in 2016, the IG appointed under Kerry analyzed the situation and issued a report about it. Bad news, under Hillary at DOS more rules and procedures had been broken than Carter has pills. ;)

So yeah, she did not have an IG for a reason--she had something to hide. This character trait shows in all her dealings revealed through the various email incidents--secrecy and no records kept. She should know how to do it, as an attorney she represented many criminals, and perhaps observed that if no records are kept, the probability for an indictment are slim to none.

She knows how to work the system, and her moral compass is absent.
 
Manc Skipper said:
Boy, some people are so gullible. Consider the source. Somebody's feeding the pack some raw meat.
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FBI Admits Clinton Used Software Designed To "Prevent Recovery" And "Hide Traces Of" Deleted Emails

South Carolina Representative Trey Gowdy appeared on Fox News today and disclosed new details about the Clinton email scandal that seem to indicate intent to destroy evidence. Gowdy reveals that Clinton used "BleachBit" to erase the "personal" emails from her private server.

For those not familiar with the software, BleachBit is intended to help users delete files in a way to "prevent recovery" and "hide traces of files deleted." Per the BleachBit website:

"Beyond simply deleting files, BleachBit includes advanced features such as shredding files to prevent recovery, wiping free disk space to hide traces of files deleted by other applications, and vacuuming firefox to make it faster."
 
Facts about this email scandal:

Secretary of State Hillary Clinton used personal servers to conduct government business.
After leaving the position Hillary Clinton kept government emails on her personal server.
When she was ordered to turn over all emails on those servers to the FBI she then deleted those emails using a program designed to prevent recovery. She did not do this before she was ordered to turn over those emails. She did it AFTER.
Classified emails were found to have been on her servers by the FBI.

I don't know about anyone else, but the fact that she deleted those emails with a program designed to prevent recovery after she was ordered to turn them over shows intent to me. What she did WAS and IS illegal. That much is certain. The fact that she's not going to be prosecuted for it just goes to show that as far as our politicians are concerned the laws do not apply to our politicians.
 
Slyfox696 said:
I find it mildly amusing people seem so shocked that someone used software designed to wipe hard drives when they decided to wipe hard drives. I find it downright hypocritically hilarious for people who keep talking about how "insecure" her e-mail server was to now be outraged she used software to securely wipe her hard drives.

Partisanship is so funny.
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I don't think it is partisanship to figure that using extreme measures to prevent discovery of deleted e-mails does not wipe the hard drives of whomever the emails were exchanged with. But we can't know who the emails were exchanged with now can we. But oh yeah, we should just take her word that they were just personal stuff between her and Bill (who himself has publically said almost never uses email) and other innocent sorts.
 
This topic is a prime example of how partisanship leads ignorant people to say incredibly stupid things.
Anthony60 said:
Beyond simply deleting files, BleachBit includes advanced features such as shredding files to prevent recovery, wiping free disk space to hide traces of files deleted by other applications...

They seem to think it's special, but you can argue with them if you think it is so important.
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Yes, they are advertising their own product. Big shocker.

Look, it's obvious you don't know what you're talking about. There are many ways to securely wipe a hard drive. Just because an open source software is advertising their product on their website, it doesn't mean it is special. Just stop talking about something you obviously know nothing about.

We see what you are trying to do here.
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No, I don't think you do. I'm trying to point out you have no idea what you're talking about if you think this "revelation" means anything.

The story is about what lengths Hillary went to to cover her tracks, or, if you prefer, deleting her yoga emails.
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It wasn't "lengths". That's what I'm telling you. Securely wiping a hard drive from a server is fairly standard procedure.

Blah, blah, blah. Nobody cares. Wow, really? You don't just drop it in the Recycle Bin? LOL!

The story is not about how to remove information from a hard drive so that it can never be read again.
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Yes, that's EXACTLY what this thread is about. No wonder your posts are so devoid of facts, you don't even seem to understand what thread you are in.

What's the thread title again? "How to Wipe a Hard Drive"? LOL!!!
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Uh, that's pretty much the thread topic, yes. The thread topic is that Clinton's team used a program designed to clean hard drives. That's exactly the point of the thread.

Fletch said:
How secure was it prior to her wiping it clean? Sure, now nobody can get any info off of it, but her efforts at security extended to her own private emails, not those that should have been secure in the first place. So no, there is no hypocrisy there at all.
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Umm, it's very much hypocritical. The same people who seemed so worried about security are now shouting that she did something securely. That's basically the definition of hypocrisy. Though I'm not surprised you seem to think otherwise.
AlbqOwl said:
I don't think it is partisanship to figure that using extreme measures to prevent discovery of deleted e-mails does not wipe the hard drives of whomever the emails were exchanged with.
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This is exactly what I'm talking about. Using something like BleachBit is not an "extreme measure". Thank you for making my point.
Anthony60 said:
Oh, God. Another with no clue. So, you are saying that you get a few emails in that are unimportant, you delete them? But, you are claiming that you wipe the HDD also, then reinstall the OS and all programs? Right.
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Yes, all the time. Anyone who knows anything about computers knows this is what you should do. Anyone who has ever dealt with identity theft protection knows this is what you do.

Obviously you're neither one of those people.
 
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Kal'Stang said:
Facts about this email scandal:
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Facts about this thread:

Secretary of State Hillary Clinton used personal servers to conduct government business.
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Known long ago and irrelevant to this thread.
After leaving the position Hillary Clinton kept government emails on her personal server.
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Known long ago and irrelevant to this thread.
When she was ordered to turn over all emails on those servers to the FBI she then deleted those emails using a program designed to prevent recovery. She did not do this before she was ordered to turn over those emails. She did it AFTER.
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Correction: She did it after she had already turned in all e-mails supposedly related to government job. That's an important distinction.
Classified emails were found to have been on her servers by the FBI.
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Yes, in the e-mails Clinton turned over to them. If they had wiped the servers BEFORE the FBI had requested the e-mails, the FBI wouldn't have found anything.

Do you see now why this newest "revelation" is nothing more than partisan baiting?

I don't know about anyone else, but the fact that she deleted those emails with a program designed to prevent recovery after she was ordered to turn them over shows intent to me.
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And your comment says to me you are kind of fuzzy on the facts.

What she did WAS and IS illegal. That much is certain.
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There is nothing illegal about wiping your own hard drives. That's just downright false.
The fact that she's not going to be prosecuted for it just goes to show that as far as our politicians are concerned the laws do not apply to our politicians.
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No, it just shows you don't seem to understand how this works.
 
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