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Donald Trump's Description of Black America Is Offending Those Living in It

Paperview said:
You can start with things like this:

North Carolina's Deliberate Disenfranchisement of Black Voters - The Atlantic

Texas voter ID law discriminates against minorities, court rules | PBS NewsHour
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None of that proves a thing. Voting is a right only for legal citizens. If you can't prove that you are a legal citizen, and that includes being able to present legal identification, then you have no right to vote. You can't just show up and say you're a citizen without proving it. The onus for proving it rests on the voter.

Why is this so hard for you to understand?
 
Erod said:
Are there really people that believe Hillary gives two rips about the black community?
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Only idiots on the left.
 
Erod said:
Are there really people that believe Hillary gives two rips about the black community?
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Don't limit that to blacks, she doesn't care about anybody.
 
Cephus said:
None of that proves a thing. Voting is a right only for legal citizens. If you can't prove that you are a legal citizen, and that includes being able to present legal identification, then you have no right to vote. You can't just show up and say you're a citizen without proving it. The onus for proving it rests on the voter.

Why is this so hard for you to understand?
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Take it up with the courts - that found explicit measures taken by the GOP to disenfranchise minorities.
 
Cephus said:
Only idiots on the left.
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It's a wonder the GOP doesn't attract more blacks with this talking point, which boiled down means nothing more than all the blacks supporting Hillary over Trump are too stupid to realize she doesn't care about them but the Donald and the GOP does.

Seems like an appealing message - "Blacks, you're too stupid to know which party has your back - us white people know better and it's the GOP!" - and baffling why decreasing numbers of minorities are choosing the republican party.
 
Paperview said:
Take it up with the courts - that found explicit measures taken by the GOP to disenfranchise minorities.
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Are black folks too stupid to get a photo ID?
 
JasperL said:
It's a wonder the GOP doesn't attract more blacks with this talking point, which boiled down means nothing more than all the blacks supporting Hillary over Trump are too stupid to realize she doesn't care about them but the Donald and the GOP does.

Seems like an appealing message - "Blacks, you're too stupid to know which party has your back - us white people know better and it's the GOP!" - and baffling why decreasing numbers of minorities are choosing the republican party.
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He's refering to white liberals, too.

"Just stay on the plantation. We'll do all the thinking for you and keep the first-a-da-munt-check coming", The Democrat Party.
 
apdst said:
He's refering to white liberals, too.

"Just stay on the plantation. We'll do all the thinking for you and keep the first-a-da-munt-check coming", The Democrat Party.
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Yeah, well it works for white liberals like it does for blacks - not at all. I'm perfectly capable of looking at the parties and determining which one aligns with my goals and interests and don't need or want your advice, and advice that assumes on the front end I'm an idiot is going to be ignored. Seems pretty obvious to me!

On a related note, this is also a BIG problem with white democrats, especially wealthy liberals in the cities, who show pretty obvious contempt for poor rural whites who vote republican. I know a lot of those people and they're often outstanding individuals and quite frankly rationally voting for their interests, although IMO their economic interests have been poorly served by republicans but only slightly better by democrats of late.
 
JasperL said:
Yeah, well it works for white liberals like it does for blacks - not at all. I'm perfectly capable of looking at the parties and determining which one aligns with my goals and interests and don't need or want your advice, and advice that assumes on the front end I'm an idiot is going to be ignored. Seems pretty obvious to me!

On a related note, this is also a BIG problem with white democrats, especially wealthy liberals in the cities, who show pretty obvious contempt for poor rural whites who vote republican. I know a lot of those people and they're often outstanding individuals and quite frankly rationally voting for their interests, although IMO their economic interests have been poorly served by republicans but only slightly better by democrats of late.
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Liberals believe that black folks are too stupid to make those decisions.
 
apdst said:
Then, how can a law requiring voters to produce an ID effect black folks more than white folks?
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I'm sure we've had this discussion before so I'll make it brief, since you have no interest in absorbing my arguments anyway.

A lot of the problems are related to poverty, education, access and familiarity with computers (to easily find where to order source docs and to get them ordered online), time off, skill at navigating the system. Poor whites typically live in rural areas and have a DL, which is good ID. Poor blacks more often live in cities, do not drive and so do not have the required ID.

And put 600,000 (to use Texas numbers) of ANY demographic (white, black, hispanic, poor, middle class, wealthy), and especially 600k poor people with little education, access to computers etc and make them all get a new ID and I will guarantee you some small percent will not get it done, and some cannot get it done for various reasons. If 95% get the new ID, 30,000 did not. 99% means 6,000. Enough to swing an election? Possible and it beats a sharp stick in the eye and takes no time - just pass a law knowing some number of your opponents' voting base will not be able to vote next time!
 
JasperL said:
I'm sure we've had this discussion before so I'll make it brief, since you have no interest in absorbing my arguments anyway.

A lot of the problems are related to poverty, education, access and familiarity with computers (to easily find where to order source docs and to get them ordered online), time off, skill at navigating the system. Poor whites typically live in rural areas and have a DL, which is good ID. Poor blacks more often live in cities, do not drive and so do not have the required ID.

And put 600,000 (to use Texas numbers) of ANY demographic (white, black, hispanic, poor, middle class, wealthy), and especially 600k poor people with little education, access to computers etc and make them all get a new ID and I will guarantee you some small percent will not get it done, and some cannot get it done for various reasons. If 95% get the new ID, 30,000 did not. 99% means 6,000. Enough to swing an election? Possible and it beats a sharp stick in the eye and takes no time - just pass a law knowing some number of your opponents' voting base will not be able to vote next time!
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White folks don't have any more access to any of that than black folks do.
 
apdst said:
White folks don't have any more access to any of that than black folks do.
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Exactly. And most states already provide FREE IDs to anyone who can't afford them.

Isn't it funny that government IDs are the only thing that liberals don't want to buy for poor people?
 
JasperL said:
It's a wonder the GOP doesn't attract more blacks with this talking point, which boiled down means nothing more than all the blacks supporting Hillary over Trump are too stupid to realize she doesn't care about them but the Donald and the GOP does.

Seems like an appealing message - "Blacks, you're too stupid to know which party has your back - us white people know better and it's the GOP!" - and baffling why decreasing numbers of minorities are choosing the republican party.
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There are plenty of black conservatives out there. However, the left promises free stuff for poor blacks, that's how they get them on their side. Never mind that the free stuff isn't really good for them, never mind that that all of the promises from the Democrats haven't actually helped any blacks get out of poverty, it's an emotionally comforting message for people who only care about emotionally comforting messages. Just don't bring up the fact that 50 years of liberal pandering hasn't actually accomplished anything.
 
jmotivator said:
Exactly. And most states already provide FREE IDs to anyone who can't afford them.

Isn't it funny that government IDs are the only thing that liberals don't want to buy for poor people?
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You don't hear the libbos crying about social security cards.
 
TheGoverness said:
I don't even know why Trumo even bothers trying to get the Black vote, he's obviously not going to appeal to them in any way.

Which is why I scratch my head when Trump says he's doing "great" with African-Americans. Because he's not.

He's polling single-digits with black voters, and he's somehow doing "great" with them? Please.
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that's just it
tRump is NOT actually trying to recruit the black vote
which explains his black 'outreach' is being made in front of white audiences
hillary is painting him and his association with the alt-white crowd as being racist
and tRump is trying to convince the periphery around his base that if they vote for him they will not really be voting for a racist
 
Cephus said:
There are plenty of black conservatives out there. However, the left promises free stuff for poor blacks, that's how they get them on their side. Never mind that the free stuff isn't really good for them, never mind that that all of the promises from the Democrats haven't actually helped any blacks get out of poverty, it's an emotionally comforting message for people who only care about emotionally comforting messages. Just don't bring up the fact that 50 years of liberal pandering hasn't actually accomplished anything.
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Like I said, not sure why, paraphrased "blacks, you're dumb" isn't attracting more blacks to the GOP. Weird....
 
JasperL said:
Like I said, not sure why, paraphrased "blacks, you're dumb" isn't attracting more blacks to the GOP. Weird....
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one would think that kind of solicitation would sell
 
JasperL said:
Like I said, not sure why, paraphrased "blacks, you're dumb" isn't attracting more blacks to the GOP. Weird....
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Keep in mind, bread and circuses fooled the Romans for centuries. When you are desperate its hard not to side with the guys giving you free bread.
 
blackjack50 said:
I didn't say it was fake. I said it was ****ty. Never mind the rising premiums and deductibles. Or the $800 billion tax hike?

You know what obamacare is? A cluster ****. A poorly thought out cluster **** rammed down our throats because dip **** liberals wanted to force their poorly educated brainwashed masses that this plan was going to give them free healthcare, not cost any money, be completely universal, and not **** anyone in the process. Oh, and everyone gets a pony too.

But hey. Doesn't matter how many people got screwed in the process. As long as they got it right?


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You know what? Yeah, the rates ARE rising...but what you should take some time to do is to find out whether the rate of rise was faster before or after the ACA was implemented...because if the rate was faster before, then the prices would be much higher now.

But I get it - this is what we get for Obama implementing a plan conceived by the VERY conservative Heritage Foundation and first implemented by the 2012 GOP presidential nominee. In other words, most of you liked the plan...until Obama began pushing for it, and then all of a sudden it's *ha-RUMPH* tyranny, shoving socialism down throats, and all that!

But if you really want lower prices for health care, then there's only one way - the same way that ALL other first-world democracies do it: single-payer health care.

And BTW - we do have single-payer healthcare TODAY...because it works wonderfully for our military, both active and retired like me (as long as one sticks with TriCare).
 
j-mac said:
You should tell them to read their policies carefully, and watch out for the premium increases coming soon!
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If you'll check, the rate of rising prices is significantly LESS than what it was before the ACA was passed...and that's even though today, the health care industry can no longer deny coverage due to pre-existing conditions.
 
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