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Police shoot dead deaf and mute driver 'who was trying to communicate using[W:52]

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ttwtt78640 said:
Did you have to pass a hearing test in order to get your driver's license?
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No, but I had to verbally communicate with the people administering the tests. You raise a valid point though. I was asking more in the philosophical sense. Is it not illegal for a person who hears normally, to wear headphones or earbuds while driving?
 
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IMO this intensified when cities started militarizing their police forces. Then it became an 'us vs. them. mentality. They no longer looked at their jobs as to 'protect and serve', they looked at it more as an occupation force.

Obviously all cops are NOT like that. And I can understand that having a job like that will harden and change people. I've seen it. But again IMO training cops like the military, and giving them military equipment has caused many of the problems we are seeing today.
 
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countryboy said:
No, but I had to verbally communicate with the people administering the tests. You raise a valid point though. I was asking more in the philosophical sense. Is it not illegal for a person who hears normally, to wear headphones or earbuds while driving?
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That varies by state law:

Headsets - AAA Digest of Motor Laws
 
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QuadpolarNutjob said:
we can beat around the bush, or instead of wallying about 'doped up deranged people who might have guns and for sure dont respect the cops' we can rationally identify the culprits and just say inner city black youth who attack cops and cause most of these incidents.
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countryboy said:
And it's all part of their culture. Why do black kids in urban neighborhoods walk in the street, and refuse to move for traffic? :shrug: Must be because, slavery. :roll:
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the person wasn't black can you please leave these racist rants to a thread thats atleast about a black person
 
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I'm amazed how often people come out to defend the indefensible simply because it's a cop.

At what point did this man show himself to be a threat to the cops?
 
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countryboy said:
How the heck is a deaf person allowed to drive in the first place?
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So this man was killed by the cops and you're trying to place blame on anything other than the cops.

Typical.
 
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dimensionallava said:
the person wasn't black can you please leave these racist rants to a thread thats atleast about a black person
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How is what I said a "racist rant" exactly?
 
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ttwtt78640 said:
I wonder if the "brief pursuit" described was simply a result of the deaf driver not hearing a siren or noticing the officer's emergency lights behind him. Officers typically instruct the driver to stay seated in the car. One can understand why an officer could perceive a "fleeing" driver that disobeys instructions to remain in the car, exits the car (after a "chase"?) and approaches the officer in an excited (aggressive?) manner as threatening.
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I had read a story in which they indicated the cop car was smoking heavily and both cars had some damage after the 7 mile (was it 7 mile) pursuit. If that turns out to be accurate.. it would appear it was more than he just "didn't hear it".

Edit for link. Not the story I originally read, just the first one that popped up after a quick search:

“I was here in my driveway and I saw the highway patrol car come through and it was smoking really bad,” said neighbor Mark Barringer. “About 10 seconds later, I heard one gunshot.”
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During the pursuit, both cars became damaged and eventually came to a stop near Harris’ home.
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Cop Shoots and Kills Unarmed Deaf Man as He Tries to Communicate Using Sign Language
 
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Tettsuo said:
So this man was killed by the cops and you're trying to place blame on anything other than the cops.

Typical.
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Sorry, I didn't realize I wasn't allowed to ask questions. :(
 
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Tettsuo said:
I'm amazed how often people come out to defend the indefensible simply because it's a cop.

At what point did this man show himself to be a threat to the cops?
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And many times the people who defend the police no matter what they do or how wrong they are will be the same people who will then complain the country is turning into a police state.
 
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countryboy said:
Okay. Again, from a philosophical standpoint, it would seem to me, the ability to hear is an important part of safe driving.
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Driving, although a state issued privilege, is also an important part of making a living and being independent.
 
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SenorXm/Sirius said:
And many times the people who defend the police no matter what they do or how wrong they are will be the same people who will then complain the country is turning into a police state.
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And many times the people who condemn the police no matter what they do or how right they are will be the same people who will then complain we don't have enough government intrusion into our lives.
 
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countryboy said:
How is what I said a "racist rant" exactly?
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so there was reason your crying about black people not crossing the street like a decent white man in this thread thats not about black people. Did you just see it was about a police shooting and assumed the guy must have been black? thats not a bad assumption but he wasn't so if you want to talk about how much you hate the way black people cross the street. go find one of the many threads about a cop shooting an unarmed black person. It shouldnt be too hard to find
 
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dimensionallava said:
so there was reason your crying about black people not crossing the street like a decent white man
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Not at all what I said. Try again.
 
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When I was a police officer, I arranged a class with handicapped people to talk with police officers about dealing with people with their particular handicap. It went really well with people in wheelchairs reminding the cops that being in a wheelchair didn't mean you were an idiot and they appreciate you not helping without asking. Blind people talked about what was helpful and what wasn't. Everything went pretty well with everyone laughing when one of the officers answered a question from a blind woman by nodding.

Then a deaf person popped up. "What if the police are chasing me and I jump out of my car and run and I can't hear the police officer shouting for me to stop or he'll shoot?"

"I don't know. Do you want to wear a t-shirt that says, "Don't shoot, I'm deaf. I would suggest you not run from the police."

Finally, one of the handicapped people handed the deaf person a note that said, "The police aren't responsible for your deafness or your behavior."

I also wonder if there is a deaf person alive who expects the strangers he meets to sign? I went to a meeting of all deaf people, with a couple of translators, and a young man who wasn't very bright started signing and after I started shaking my head he kept signing. One of the translators came over and told him, by sign, that I didn't sign. He stood there a moment and then started signing slower and with bigger gestures. It was the deaf equivalent of speaking slower and louder to someone who doesn't speak English.

I've a question for those for whom the police are always wrong. When you're driving down the street, how do you know the driver of the car in front of you is deaf? I really you do but how? I could never tell. One more question: If you were deaf and you saw a police car behind you with his lights on, would you pull over, jump out of the car, and start waving your arms? Just curious. I probably wouldn't.
 
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countryboy said:
Quote?
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again if you want to start a thread about why you hate black people go ahead but theres no reason to bring it up in this one
 
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dimensionallava said:
again if you want to start a thread about why you hate black people go ahead but theres no reason to bring it up in this one
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That's what I thought. Don't you ever get tired of making **** up? You should try the facts once in a while, you might enjoy the truth. :shrug:
 
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countryboy said:
And many times the people who condemn the police no matter what they do or how right they are will be the same people who will then complain we don't have enough government intrusion into our lives.
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No.

You cons are the law and order at any costs people. You cheer the Patriot Act and the NSA. You can't get anymore intrusive with what the NSA and PA does, and your side loves it. You defend and excuse the police no matter how wrong they are. Then you complain we are turning into a police state and blame everyone else.

It's on you guys.
 
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countryboy said:
That's what I thought. Don't you ever get tired of making **** up? You should try the facts once in a while, you might enjoy the truth. :shrug:
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yes youve cuaght me nobody can prove your a foaming at the mouth racist what a victory for you... now go start a thread about why black people need to cross the street like a decent white man and you can "explain" why thats not racist there
 
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SenorXm/Sirius said:
No.

You cons are the law and order at any costs people. You cheer the Patriot Act and the NSA. You can't get anymore intrusive with what the NSA and PA does, and your side loves it. You defend and excuse the police no matter how wrong they are. Then you complain we are turning into a police state and blame everyone else.

It's on you guys.
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Nonsense.
 
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dimensionallava said:
yes youve cuaght me nobody can prove your a foaming at the mouth racist what a victory for you... now go start a thread about why black people need to cross the street like a decent white man and you can "explain" why thats not racist there
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The only one "foaming at the mouth" in this exchange, is you. For the last time, I said nothing about anyone crossing the street.
 
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Infinite Chaos said:
Tragic story, obviously more information needs to come out and there is no video ~ if as it seems he was shot while simply trying to communicate then it's another sad day for the US but it is once again another case where different police training might have helped keep the citizen alive.
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A tragic story indeed. More information is definitely needed. I can't figure out why the guy got out of his car and started signing. Most jurisdictions issue a card to present to the police to show you are deaf.

On the other hand, if the officer was ordering the man to stay in the car, or show his hands, the guy would have never heard or had the opportunity to present the card.

I think if anything this is an indication that more training is needed, and most likely the issuance of special plates for deaf drivers so an officer can identify a deaf driver without having to approach the car.
 
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