Donald Trump woos black voters: 'What the hell do you have to lose?'[W:15]

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VanceMack said:

Of course you CAN answer it. You simply refuse to. I suspect it is because you know how damning your answer is. You cannot in one sentence bemoan Trumps position to hold immigration of improperly vetted refugees and then ignore the reality that the alternative is a 550% INCREASE in current importation of improperly vetted refugees. So...I dont need you to give me a finite number that you are happy with...merely an answer as to what would be the acceptable number for your support of improperly vetted refugees. 1 in 10? Is that a risk you are willing to take? 1in 100? Is THAT the risk you are willing to take? OK...1 in 1000...is THAT the risk you are willing to take?

Its a simple question. Answer...dont answer...but why continue with the long butthurt paragraphs as an excuse to NOT answer the question?

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Do you actually read posts you quote? Rhetorical question, as the answer is no.

Let's try this again. Slowly.

1. If you're asking what odds are acceptable when considering how many of incoming people may be bent on destruction, there is no answer.
2. If you're asking how many people bent on destruction should come into the country, I suspect you already know what everyone's answer to that would be. It's called "zero", because nobody wants anyone who is evil, Syrian refugee or Tim McVeigh wannabe or Charles Manson incarnate, roaming loose in this or any other country.
3. Provide a link to me endorsing improperly vetted refugees, like I asked you to do 3 times already. You made the claim. Now either back it up, or admit you lied.

99percenter said:

It is not our default language. It is our de facto language. There is a difference.

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Yes, there's a difference...but that difference is not germane to our discussion. Trying to make everyone speak English when they want to speak other languages instead is a violation of our First Amendment. Heck, during WWI did you know there were over 500 German-language newspapers in America? Did we see it as a terrible problem then? No? So there's no need to freak out about it now.

Besides, if anything, we should require our kids to learn different languages so that they can broaden their minds, for if English is not your primary language, then you know better than I that there are words and concepts that simply don't translate easily between languages. Different languages encourage different outlooks, different ways of looking at things and different ways of approaching problems. Having a plethora of different languages in America - or any other nation - is NOT a hindrance, but rather the opposite - it helps us GROW as a people and as a nation.

And one more thing - our national demographic change is happening, and no one can do anything to stop it. It's like a slow-moving tsunami - or perhaps a fast-moving glacier...you can try all you want to hold up your hands to stop it, but all that will happen is that you'll get overwhelmed and washed away with the flotsam and jetsam. Better to learn how to surf the tsunami of change, the better to survive and to prosper.

rocket88 said:

If Trump was still a Democrat, we wouldn't be having this conversation. No way what he has said would fly with Democratic primary voters.

If you have to ask what he has said that offends hispanics, you clearly haven't been paying attention.

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I thought most of his comments that were offensive had to do with the immigration issue.

Another poster pointed out the "Mexican judge" comments and that seems legitimate.

code1211 said:

I thought most of his comments that were offensive had to do with the immigration issue.

Another poster pointed out the "Mexican judge" comments and that seems legitimate.

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Yeah, he shoots his mouth off, or did....Seems that as of the past couple of weeks he is getting it under control pretty good...Which is why I think the criminal Hillary had to hurry and switch her planned speech on Business the other night, to a disgusting attack calling Trump, and anyone that supports him, a racist....She is predictable.

Re: Donald Trump woos black voters: 'What the hell do you have to lose?'

SenorXm/Sirius said:

It's not the 1960's anymore. We're talking why Blacks do NOT vote Republican now. What happened in 1965 means nothing to why Trump will get 2% of the Black vote NOW.

The Republicans are 100% to blame for why minorities mostly vote Dem now. They pandered and catered to the White racist vote for decades. But now the White voter % is getting smaller every single election year. So in national elections the GOP now needs the minority vote, but too much damage has been done.

Get use to saying President Clinton for the next 8 years.

BTW I've said this many times here. I do NOT think Trump is a racist. Over 30+ years I've listened to him and heard him speak dozens of times. And I've done business many times in NYC. There's plenty of racist in NYC, but you don't become a successful businessman in NYC by being a foaming at the mouth racist that Trump now tries to portray himself as. He's using the racists in the GOP base to get publicity and get the Repub. Nomination. And it worked. But in the general election? It won't work.

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Hillary disagrees with your observations of Trump.

There is not a "Vote Against" box on the ballot. If there was, "Vote Against" would probably win most elections. The Black Population votes for Democrats reflexively. Trump's question is only asking why they do. Their votes have been wasted if they were hoping to get something good out of it. Their schools are bad, their opportunities are limited and their neighborhoods are dangerous.

And now Hillary is saying that the inner cities are Gardens of Paradise and Trump is crazy to think they are dangerous ghettos with failing schools and limited opportunity and anyone living there should be offended by that description. I'm sure the Black get out the vote machines will use that message to gin up the base and tell people to ignore the bars on their windows that they hide behind in fear for their lives.

One of the defining markers of despots is that they state a big lie and their followers eat it up. You aren't hungry. Your markets are full. Your home is luxurious. Your are lucky to not own a car.

In the case of the Democrats, your schools are great, your neighborhood is not dangerous and you have great opportunity.

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Reed95 said:

I see you go lengths to try to defend Mr. Trump. At least you came up with arguments, instead of just simple insults. The same cannot be said about some other "conservative" members here. Sad...

Politics is messy. Being in public service means you are bound to make mistakes, in the public eye. That's not the same as being corrupt, liar, or worse. As for Mr. Trump, haven't we seen enough of him through the primary season, and the last couple of months? Does one really want to give him the chance to screw America?

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WE know he will have that ability. We do not know he will aggressively seek to do so.

We know that Hillary will because she in fact has already done so.

You reject Trump because you THINK he MIGHT do something and excuse Hillary in the complete knowledge that she already has done these things and certainly will do so again.

What am I missing?

99percenter said:

He said the ones that come here are rapists and drug addicts.

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I know it is said that he said that, but I have heard him also say that most are good, hard working folks.

Do you have the link that shows him saying that 100% of all hispanics are rapists and drug addicts? I heard a clip today that was of the various sides of the issue he's been on recently in which that particular charge is answered.

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Glen Contrarian said:

Off topic, but I'd caution you about listening too much to rt.com - that's "Russia Today", and they are the official mouthpiece of the Russian government, just as its assassinated "Pravda" was the official mouthpiece of Soviet Russia...and both of them have a marked tendency to, shall we say, take liberties with truth and reality.

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Are you saying the video tape of Hillary saying that Bobby Kennedy was assasinated is not a genuine quote from Hillary?

Re: Donald Trump woos black voters: 'What the hell do you have to lose?'

tres borrachos said:

Do you actually read posts you quote? Rhetorical question, as the answer is no.

Let's try this again. Slowly.

1. If you're asking what odds are acceptable when considering how many of incoming people may be bent on destruction, there is no answer.
2. If you're asking how many people bent on destruction should come into the country, I suspect you already know what everyone's answer to that would be. It's called "zero", because nobody wants anyone who is evil, Syrian refugee or Tim McVeigh wannabe or Charles Manson incarnate, roaming loose in this or any other country.
3. Provide a link to me endorsing improperly vetted refugees, like I asked you to do 3 times already. You made the claim. Now either back it up, or admit you lied.

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Sigh.....
What is the number that would be considered ACCEPTABLE to you KNOWING that you are opposed to a plan that would put refugee relocation on hold until the vetting process is improved and by association, endorsing the candidate that has openly announced her intent to bring in improperly vetted refugees? Its a very straightforward and direct question. Answer the question. 1 in 10? Is that a risk you are willing to take? 1in 100? Is THAT the risk you are willing to take? OK...1 in 1000...is THAT the risk you are willing to take?
You CANNOT take 'zero' because you KNOW the only way to say 'zero' is to refuse to allow more refugees until the vetting process is corrected. You KNOW (and if you dont just watch the video offered of FBI Director Comey explaining why its not possible) that Clinton will be bringing in 550% increase in improperly vetted refugees. So...one last time...what will you find as acceptable numbers? 1 in 10? Is that a risk you are willing to take? 1 in 100? Is THAT the risk you are willing to take? OK...1 in 1000...is THAT the risk you are willing to take?

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code1211 said:

Are you saying the video tape of Hillary saying that Bobby Kennedy was assasinated is not a genuine quote from Hillary?

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Huh? RT is like Breitbart - you know, the same people that brought you "Birth Control Makes Women Unattractive and Crazy"...and where reside a lot of those who support the Alt Right...like the guy running Trump's campaign, for instance.

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VanceMack said:

Sigh.....
What is the number that would be considered ACCEPTABLE to you KNOWING that you are opposed to a plan that would put refugee relocation on hold until the vetting process is improved and by association, endorsing the candidate that has openly announced her intent to bring in improperly vetted refugees? Its a very straightforward and direct question. Answer the question. 1 in 10? Is that a risk you are willing to take? 1in 100? Is THAT the risk you are willing to take? OK...1 in 1000...is THAT the risk you are willing to take?
You CANNOT take 'zero' because you KNOW the only way to say 'zero' is to refuse to allow more refugees until the vetting process is corrected. You KNOW (and if you dont just watch the video offered of FBI Director Comey explaining why its not possible) that Clinton will be bringing in 550% increase in improperly vetted refugees. So...one last time...what will you find as acceptable numbers? 1 in 10? Is that a risk you are willing to take? 1 in 100? Is THAT the risk you are willing to take? OK...1 in 1000...is THAT the risk you are willing to take?

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<sigh> Where is the link to me endorsing improperly vetted refugees? This is the fourth time I've asked you to back up that claim. Please provide the link, or admit you lied.

I'm not voting for Clinton so why are you asking me about her?

code1211 said:

I know it is said that he said that, but I have heard him also say that most are good, hard working folks.

Do you have the link that shows him saying that 100% of all hispanics are rapists and drug addicts? I heard a clip today that was of the various sides of the issue he's been on recently in which that particular charge is answered.

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He has softened his tone now in the general but he said that mexico isn't sending its bright ones, they are sending rapists and drug addicts. That must mean he thinks everyone that comes here from mexico is a drug addicted rapist.

j-mac said:

Yeah, he shoots his mouth off, or did....Seems that as of the past couple of weeks he is getting it under control pretty good...Which is why I think the criminal Hillary had to hurry and switch her planned speech on Business the other night, to a disgusting attack calling Trump, and anyone that supports him, a racist....She is predictable.

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Well, another poster on this board posted the definition of what a racist is and it seemed fairly accurate in the American political arena: Anyone who is winning a debate with a Democrat.

Julian Assange said that exposing Hillary's emails could be damaging. Then he said exposing Trump's emails would less damaging than what comes out of his mouth. I heard it on the radio so i couldn't tell if he was joking or not, but it did seem funny.

Trump is on a crash course to figure out the political speak of the political class. They all use it because it works.

Will Trump complete his course before the crash? The polls don't seem to be moving. I don't know how anyone can even consider voting for Hillary. I will never forgive her for the Benghazi massacre. Nothing can ever make me forget that. Doing political calculations while one of your direct reports is being murdered for doing an assignment that you assigned is beyond the pale.

Trump might not be the best choice for President, but, as he says, "What the Hell do you have to lose?" With Hillary, it will be worse than anything we've ever seen. Under Obama, the world is teetering on the brink of a world war.

Under Hillary, there is no doubt we'll be in one. Iran will never be our friend no matter how many billion dollars we give then by electronic transfer or how many millions we deliver in cash.

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jmotivator said:

Hahah, no. It's the article that immigration policy is built on. You know that people do legally get denied admittance to the US, right?

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I guess you've given up trying to find where the Constitution gives the feds the power to control immigration. That explains why you've devolved into arguing "Well, the feds are doing it so it must be constitutional"

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Glen Contrarian said:

Huh? RT is like Breitbart - you know, the same people that brought you "Birth Control Makes Women Unattractive and Crazy"...and where reside a lot of those who support the Alt Right...like the guy running Trump's campaign, for instance.

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I see...

So a video tape showing your candidate saying something stupid is not valid if it comes from a web site you don't like. Wow!

Well here is the same video from other web sites.

Out of curiosity, why do you think this is not a valid representation of what she said?

Well, here are various other sources. First, the written words quoting her and then the same video presented by three OTHER sources.

Are you denying the validity of these sources as well or denying she said this at all?

Hillary cites RFK assassination in explaining why she's still in race - - POLITICO.com

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Hillary cites RFK assassination in explaining why she's still in race

Hillary Clinton today cited the assassination of Robert F. Kennedy during the 1968 presidential campaign to explain why she was remaining in the race despite long odds.

"We all remember Bobby Kennedy was assassinated in June in California," Clinton told the editorial board of a South Dakota newspaper. " I don't understand it," Clinton added, alluding to the calls for her to quit.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0QAewVrR28
Clinton Kennedy Assassination Reference: Raises Bobby's Death To Explain Why She Stays In Race (VIDEO)
Hillary Clinton Also Made ‘Misinterpreted’ Remark About Assassination of Rival Candidate | Mediaite

99percenter said:

He has softened his tone now in the general but he said that mexico isn't sending its bright ones, they are sending rapists and drug addicts. That must mean he thinks everyone that comes here from mexico is a drug addicted rapist.

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Hmmm... "Mexico is sending us..."

It seems that Mexico probably does NOT have a policy of exporting criminals to the US. The linked article cites the policy of Cuba to do so, but says that the Mexican Government has not demonstrated the same actions or thought process.

Mexico definitely DOES does export a bunch of drugs to the US. Cuba, I think, does not do this.

We are thereby forced to get our criminals from Cuba and our Crime from Mexico. Before I get berserk replies to that statement, THAT WAS A JOKE.

Securing the border seems like a good idea. Tracking down all violent criminals, regardless or race or national origin, seems like a good idea. If we can throw them out and not have to support them for life in a jail, that's even better.

A secure border can easily be de-coupled from deportation of those already here illegally. In truth, this seems like this is a pretty good compromise solution.

I wonder if either candidate will offer this...

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/reality-check/2015/jul/07/fact-checking-donald-trump

code1211 said:

Well, another poster on this board posted the definition of what a racist is and it seemed fairly accurate in the American political arena: Anyone who is winning a debate with a Democrat.

Julian Assange said that exposing Hillary's emails could be damaging. Then he said exposing Trump's emails would less damaging than what comes out of his mouth. I heard it on the radio so i couldn't tell if he was joking or not, but it did seem funny.

Trump is on a crash course to figure out the political speak of the political class. They all use it because it works.

Will Trump complete his course before the crash? The polls don't seem to be moving. I don't know how anyone can even consider voting for Hillary. I will never forgive her for the Benghazi massacre. Nothing can ever make me forget that. Doing political calculations while one of your direct reports is being murdered for doing an assignment that you assigned is beyond the pale.

Trump might not be the best choice for President, but, as he says, "What the Hell do you have to lose?" With Hillary, it will be worse than anything we've ever seen. Under Obama, the world is teetering on the brink of a world war.

Under Hillary, there is no doubt we'll be in one. Iran will never be our friend no matter how many billion dollars we give then by electronic transfer or how many millions we deliver in cash.

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I agree with all but one thing. I am not so sure that the "racist" scream from Hillary, and her supporters doesn't ring just a little more than hollow considering, the emails exposed about the demo party, and what they did to Bernie, also, they overuse that term so much, and have overused it for the past 8 years every time they start to loose the argument that I just don't think it means much anymore....

Now, If Trump stays on a message of 'how is your life better under demo monopoly rule for the past decades in the black community?' then I think he has a real chance of making Hillary's charge of racism look as desperate as it is.

j-mac said:

I agree with all but one thing. I am not so sure that the "racist" scream from Hillary, and her supporters doesn't ring just a little more than hollow considering, the emails exposed about the demo party, and what they did to Bernie, also, they overuse that term so much, and have overused it for the past 8 years every time they start to loose the argument that I just don't think it means much anymore....

Now, If Trump stays on a message of 'how is your life better under demo monopoly rule for the past decades in the black community?' then I think he has a real chance of making Hillary's charge of racism look as desperate as it is.

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I was stopped by a co-worker in the lunchroom who delivered a rant on a racist action perpetrated against her by one of the small minded in the world.

She is Black.

She associated the actions of the small minded A-hole with the candidacy of Trump.

The reason the Dems play the race card is that the race card works.