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'Confusion at every level' of the National Park Service

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A review team of Park Service officials from outside the monument's region examined the defilement and pronounced themselves "astonished" in an "after action" report released last week.

Its piercing conclusions go well beyond the Effigy Mounds scandals and cut right to the Park Service's culture.
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The internal role of the park, regional office, and Washington Support Office in cultural resources management is neither well defined nor consistent. What work we should be doing and where it should take place to be most effective is not clear. . ." the report said. "There is confusion at every level, uncertainty as to span of responsibility, authority, and accountability.While this confusion has to do with who does what at each level of the agency, there is no understanding as to roles, responsibilities, and authorities regarding risk, mismanagement of or impacts to cultural resources."
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'Confusion at every level' of the National Park Service - Chicago Tribune

The National Park Service has been starved for funds for decades, and has also been starved for attention from the DC ELITE, but with 7+ years with his butt in the POTUS chair Obama owns this example of bad government.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
'Confusion at every level' of the National Park Service - Chicago Tribune

The National Park Service has been starved for funds for decades, and has also been starved for attention from the DC ELITE, but with 7+ years with his butt in the POTUS chair Obama owns this example of bad government.
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Obama owns it?

I haven't researched what I am about to ask but have a suspected answer: who is responsible for slashing its budgets resulting in it being "starved for funds for decades" as you allege? Obama?

Or is cost-cutters who think that if you slash spending, you always and only eliminate waste? People who'll dump billions and billions into a military jet that the Pentagon says it doesn't even want, rather than protecting our national treasures? Besides, Obama cannot be responsible for decades of underfunding.





(And this is a good juncture to praise T.R. once more. If it weren't for him, all those forests would've been plains by now)
 
Mr Person said:
Obama owns it?

I haven't researched what I am about to ask but have a suspected answer: who is responsible for slashing its budgets resulting in it being "starved for funds for decades" as you allege? Obama?

Or is cost-cutters who think that if you slash spending, you always and only eliminate waste? People who'll dump billions and billions into a military jet that the Pentagon says it doesn't even want, rather than protecting our national treasures? Besides, Obama cannot be responsible for decades of underfunding.





(And this is a good juncture to praise T.R. once more. If it weren't for him, all those forests would've been plains by now)
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did you really just blame the republican congress for obama's failure to manage an executive branch department?

meanwhile in reality:

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Hawkeye10 said:
'Confusion at every level' of the National Park Service - Chicago Tribune

The National Park Service has been starved for funds for decades, and has also been starved for attention from the DC ELITE, but with 7+ years with his butt in the POTUS chair Obama owns this example of bad government.
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How about have some respect for your readers and put in enough original content to let us know what the subject of the thread is? I don't even have to know what you think about it. Just what the heck is the article about would be a good start.
 
Mr Person said:
Obama owns it?

I haven't researched what I am about to ask but have a suspected answer: who is responsible for slashing its budgets resulting in it being "starved for funds for decades" as you allege? Obama?

Or is cost-cutters who think that if you slash spending, you always and only eliminate waste? People who'll dump billions and billions into a military jet that the Pentagon says it doesn't even want, rather than protecting our national treasures? Besides, Obama cannot be responsible for decades of underfunding.





(And this is a good juncture to praise T.R. once more. If it weren't for him, all those forests would've been plains by now)
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Money is a problem, but money is not the cause of bad or non existent management. Two families can start out with the same amount of money, with like shacks with dirt floors, but the one who cares will sweep that dirt floor and will do their best to make the place look ok with what ever they have. The other, in this case the NPS, being a wreck because no one ever makes an effort, always sitting on their ass doing nothing claiming that nothing can be done because there is no money.

The fact is that Obama never cared about trying to run effective and well managed government, he never made an effort.
 
QuadpolarNutjob said:
did you really just blame the republican congress for obama's failure to manage an executive branch department?
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Did you just really blame Obama for failing to sufficiently fund the National Park Service for decades?

Because that's what I was responding to. I was responding to this:

Hawkeye10 said:
The National Park Service has been starved for funds for decades [omission] Obama owns this example of bad government.
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Hawkeye10 said:
Money is a problem, but money is not the cause of bad or non existent management. Two families can start out with the same amount of money, with like shacks with dirt floors, but the one who cares will sweep that dirt floor and will do their best to make the place look ok with what ever they have. The other, in this case the NPS, being a wreck because no one ever makes an effort, always sitting on their ass doing nothing claiming that nothing can be done because there is no money. The fact is that Obama never cared about trying to run effective and well managed government, he never made an effort.
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He's a crappy politician, but I wasn't talking about his general merits. I was talking about how you correctly noted that they've been underfunded for decades, then you said Obama owned the resulting mess.

He doesn't. Perhaps he should have done more to urge more funding, but ultimately, he cannot be responsible for anything before his time and, during his time, it's the House of Reps that originates the budget.

(Sure, he issues his budget......sometimes.....but it's only a recommendation that they ignore anyway).



There is certainly also the fact that he's head of executive agencies, but if the problem is underfunding as you say, it cannot really be his fault.
 
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Hawkeye10 said:
Money is a problem, but money is not the cause of bad or non existent management. Two families can start out with the same amount of money, with like shacks with dirt floors, but the one who cares will sweep that dirt floor and will do their best to make the place look ok with what ever they have. The other, in this case the NPS, being a wreck because no one ever makes an effort, always sitting on their ass doing nothing claiming that nothing can be done because there is no money.

The fact is that Obama never cared about trying to run effective and well managed government, he never made an effort.
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If it is money woes , it is a problem with the President, Sect. of Interior and Congress. Congress being the entity that approves and passes a budget for agencies. As we all know the US spends more than it brings in. Elected officials at times have to make choices between one program or another.

Your little analogy of sweeping the floor is not totally real life in resource management. It could be true if all it took was "sweep that dirt floor". In many cases it is not that easy. Restoration can take money to complete a project. Even the simplest projects sometimes requires a EA or EIS because of NEPA. Thank Congress for that one. Projects can get bogged down with politics and laws. Yes, sometimes it is just a case of bad management.

I can agree there is bad employees withing the federal govt. (which includes the NPS). Top management are pretty much political appointees (Sect of Interior, some heads of agencies). Even local level can involve politics on who is selected. However, imo, there are far more good employees wanting to do a good job for the public and the resources.
 
mike2810 said:
If it is money woes , it is a problem with the President, Sect. of Interior and Congress. Congress being the entity that approves and passes a budget for agencies. As we all know the US spends more than it brings in. Elected officials at times have to make choices between one program or another.

Your little analogy of sweeping the floor is not totally real life in resource management. It could be true if all it took was "sweep that dirt floor". In many cases it is not that easy. Restoration can take money to complete a project. Even the simplest projects sometimes requires a EA or EIS because of NEPA. Thank Congress for that one. Projects can get bogged down with politics and laws. Yes, sometimes it is just a case of bad management.

I can agree there is bad employees withing the federal govt. (which includes the NPS). Top management are pretty much political appointees (Sect of Interior, some heads of agencies). Even local level can involve politics on who is selected. However, imo, there are far more good employees wanting to do a good job for the public and the resources.
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Good employees/bad employees is not the issue being discussed in this thread, it is the quality of the management of those employees, Which is Obama's responsibility at the end of the day, one that he does not want and rarely devotes much energy to.
 
Mr Person said:
He's a crappy politician, but I wasn't talking about his general merits. I was talking about how you correctly noted that they've been underfunded for decades, then you said Obama owned the resulting mess.

He doesn't. Perhaps he should have done more to urge more funding, but ultimately, he cannot be responsible for anything before his time and, during his time, it's the House of Reps that originates the budget.

(Sure, he issues his budget......sometimes.....but it's only a recommendation that they ignore anyway).



There is certainly also the fact that he's head of executive agencies, but if the problem is underfunding as you say, it cannot really be his fault.
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I said underfunding is a problem, it is a big problem in fact, but it is not responsible for bad management. Poor managers are responsible for bad management, and bad management practices. The President runs the Park Service, with guidance from Congress, it is the President more than anyone else who has failed if the Park Service management sucks, which appears to be the case.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
I said underfunding is a problem, it is a big problem in fact, but it is not responsible for bad management. Poor managers are responsible for bad management, and bad management practices. The President runs the Park Service, with guidance from Congress, it is the President more than anyone else who has failed if the Park Service management sucks, which appears to be the case.
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Way too many political appointees at top levels made by the President. So yes, in a way President Obama is at fault with the management of the national parks. The President and Congress are at fault for improper funding of agencies.
 
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