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Obama administration says $400M to Iran was contingent on release of prisoners

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Anthony60 said:
Obama administration says $400M to Iran was contingent on release of prisoners | Fox News

The Obama administration admitted Thursday that a $400 million cash payment to Iran in January was contingent on the release of American prisoners being held in the country – while still denying that the payment was a ransom.

But it's not ransom!
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Of course not.

It's just merest happenstance...a bit of serendipity that funds the U.S. has been holding up in the Hague Court for 30 years (and could have held up for another 30 at least) get released when Iran agrees to release hostages and sign a "nuclear" deal.

Nope, no ransom here folks.
 
This is a rather dishonest way of presenting it without taking a look at all of the facts.

[1]The US claims the money, delivered in cash stacks aboard an unmarked cargo plane, was part of a settlement of a long standing dispute with the Iranian regime over a never-completed arms deal from the 1970s.
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Paying the money was part of the negotiations from the Iran Nuclear Deal which involved settling a grievance from the 70's. The Obama administration withheld what they already agreed to give them until the prisoners were released. People are making it out to be "We have these hostages, pay the ransom or else". You can keep trying to make this some big conspiracy but they've been pretty up front about the situation since they announced it in January. Why would you not want to use every bit of leverage you have to save American lives?
 
There's like a ton of threads on this exact same subject.
 
Anthony60 said:
Obama administration says $400M to Iran was contingent on release of prisoners | Fox News

The Obama administration admitted Thursday that a $400 million cash payment to Iran in January was contingent on the release of American prisoners being held in the country – while still denying that the payment was a ransom.

But it's not ransom!
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No, it's not, and the Administration should learn that the truth shouldn't hurt, but what bums me out is Obama playing golf while he's on vacation and not touring the flood damage, do you suppose he's feeling down because of the Republican propaganda and how they kept his economic recovery from budding and just pissed that he was just able to have steady forward progress.

How about those Clintons, no paid speeches since November and Clinton Foundation stops taking corporate and foreign donations if she gets elected.

The first thing Hillary is going to do is buck all her donors and do her own thing (what she wants.)
 
Exquisitor said:
No, it's not, and the Administration should learn that the truth shouldn't hurt, but what bums me out is Obama playing golf while he's on vacation and not touring the flood damage, do you suppose he's feeling down because of the Republican propaganda and how they kept his economic recovery from budding and just pissed that he was just able to have steady forward progress.
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Delegation is for ******s. Obama should personally see to every problem in America and refuse to do anything recreational as all US presidents before him have done.
 
Exquisitor said:
No, it's not, and the Administration should learn that the truth shouldn't hurt, but what bums me out is Obama playing golf while he's on vacation and not touring the flood damage, do you suppose he's feeling down because of the Republican propaganda and how they kept his economic recovery from budding and just pissed that he was just able to have steady forward progress.

How about those Clintons, no paid speeches since November and Clinton Foundation stops taking corporate and foreign donations if she gets elected.

The first thing Hillary is going to do is buck all her donors and do her own thing (what she wants.)
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Right because what a flood ravaged area really needs is the security and related hassles of having a dignitary like a president coming to town. I get that it would LOOK good for him to do so. But actually doing it .... timing would suck. He's not an average joe, and in no way would he be allowed to arrive without his usual contingents of Secret Service and all that goes with a Presidential visit, even those that are to "tour" damages as though his seeing it somehow does anything but get in the way and blow smoke up the asses of Americans.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
This is a rather dishonest way of presenting it without taking a look at all of the facts.



Paying the money was part of the negotiations from the Iran Nuclear Deal which involved settling a grievance from the 70's. The Obama administration withheld what they already agreed to give them until the prisoners were released. People are making it out to be "We have these hostages, pay the ransom or else". You can keep trying to make this some big conspiracy but they've been pretty up front about the situation since they announced it in January. Why would you not want to use every bit of leverage you have to save American lives?
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This should be the beginning and end of this thread.
 
Exquisitor said:
No, it's not, and the Administration should learn that the truth shouldn't hurt, but what bums me out is Obama playing golf while he's on vacation and not touring the flood damage, do you suppose he's feeling down because of the Republican propaganda and how they kept his economic recovery from budding and just pissed that he was just able to have steady forward progress.

How about those Clintons, no paid speeches since November and Clinton Foundation stops taking corporate and foreign donations if she gets elected.

The first thing Hillary is going to do is buck all her donors and do her own thing (what she wants.)
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There is no such thing as an "Obama recovery". WTF are you talking about? He's a Marxist. He doesn't want a recovery. A malaise is just fine, part of the plan. We have the worst recovery in history. Social Programs. Transfer payments. Expanding government power over us. Nullify the Constitution. These are the things that are important to him.

Hillary, and her corrupt foundation, has been selling us down the river for years. She is beholden, and will payoff. Screw whats good for America, screw the people, screw the Constitution. She's been putting this together for years. She's above the law. Open your eyes!
 
Anthony60 said:
There is no such thing as an "Obama recovery". WTF are you talking about? He's a Marxist. He doesn't want a recovery. A malaise is just fine, part of the plan. We have the worst recovery in history. Social Programs. Transfer payments. Expanding government power over us. Nullify the Constitution. These are the things that are important to him.

Hillary, and her corrupt foundation, has been selling us down the river for years. She is beholden, and will payoff. Screw whats good for America, screw the people, screw the Constitution. She's been putting this together for years. She's above the law. Open your eyes!
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And of course you have proof?
 
RabidAlpaca said:
Delegation is for ******s. Obama should personally see to every problem in America and refuse to do anything recreational as all US presidents before him have done.
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He's golfing to keep his sanity.

Anthony60 said:
There is no such thing as an "Obama recovery". WTF are you talking about? He's a Marxist. He doesn't want a recovery. A malaise is just fine, part of the plan. We have the worst recovery in history. Social Programs. Transfer payments. Expanding government power over us. Nullify the Constitution. These are the things that are important to him.

Hillary, and her corrupt foundation, has been selling us down the river for years. She is beholden, and will payoff. Screw whats good for America, screw the people, screw the Constitution. She's been putting this together for years. She's above the law. Open your eyes!
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Now there's a good spew, I like it, I like it.

Oh, I keep my eyes real open when she comes on the set and Trumpster too, but lately he hasn't been anything interesting at all. He won't be anything interesting until after the election but I doubt it, interesting in seeing how people get along.
 
Anthony60 said:
There is no such thing as an "Obama recovery". WTF are you talking about? He's a Marxist. He doesn't want a recovery. A malaise is just fine, part of the plan. We have the worst recovery in history. Social Programs. Transfer payments. Expanding government power over us. Nullify the Constitution. These are the things that are important to him.

Hillary, and her corrupt foundation, has been selling us down the river for years. She is beholden, and will payoff. Screw whats good for America, screw the people, screw the Constitution. She's been putting this together for years. She's above the law. Open your eyes!
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Qbama recovery is to not go crashing past the great depression from the economic crisis.

The Republicans set out to ruin him and so they have.

Obama recovery is highways bill and teachers and whatever social programs get more cash into the economy certainly a couple more stimulus would have things rolling notably past where we are now. The first stimulus recovered the economy to flat what would a little more have done?

I imagine she'd be pissed off to say screw what's good for America and screw the people.

I don't know if she spends much time feeling like she's above the law, I don't know who she'd be following, not many people go around doing that, what does it feel like to you?

No way she'd screw the Constitution although she may not follow it if this is what you mean?
 
Exquisitor said:
No, it's not, and the Administration should learn that the truth shouldn't hurt, but what bums me out is Obama playing golf while he's on vacation and not touring the flood damage, do you suppose he's feeling down because of the Republican propaganda and how they kept his economic recovery from budding and just pissed that he was just able to have steady forward progress.

How about those Clintons, no paid speeches since November and Clinton Foundation stops taking corporate and foreign donations if she gets elected.

The first thing Hillary is going to do is buck all her donors and do her own thing (what she wants.)
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Thanks to Obama's leadership FEMA is doing a great job in LA. and Obama "touring" would only slow things down.

Here's what FEMA is doing on the ground in Louisiana:

More than 300 housing inspectors are on the ground in Louisiana verifying damages reported by survivors who have registered for assistance. The number of inspectors is expected to increase rapidly over the next several days.
FEMA established an Incident Support Base in Camp Beauregard in Pineville, Louisiana to distribute supplies such as water, meals, cots and blankets to the state of Louisiana. These include over 650,000 liters of water, over 800,000 meals, over 20,000 cots, and 42,000 blankets.
FEMA Mobile Emergency Response Support (MERS) personnel and equipment are deployed to the Incident Support Base in Pineville to support the state with secure and non-secure voice, video and information services to support emergency response communications needs.
After the state requested a Federal Urban Search & Rescue task force, FEMA has deployed Texas Task Force 1 to Louisiana.
Six FEMA Incident Management Assistance Teams are deployed to Louisiana to support response activities and ensure there are no unmet needs.
Louisiana residents impacted by flooding can directly apply for assistance online or by phone. Already, more than 80,000 people in Louisiana have registered for FEMA Individual Assistance, and more than $3.7 million has been approved to help survivors with temporary rental assistance, essential home repairs, and other serious disaster-related needs. More than 17,000 National Flood Insurance policyholders have submitted claims for flood loss.
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https://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2016/08/17/live-updates-what-you-need-know-about-flooding-louisiana
 
Captain Adverse said:
Of course not.

It's just merest happenstance...a bit of serendipity that funds the U.S. has been holding up in the Hague Court for 30 years (and could have held up for another 30 at least) get released when Iran agrees to release hostages and sign a "nuclear" deal.

Nope, no ransom here folks.
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That sounds like ransom to me.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
This is a rather dishonest way of presenting it without taking a look at all of the facts.



Paying the money was part of the negotiations from the Iran Nuclear Deal which involved settling a grievance from the 70's. The Obama administration withheld what they already agreed to give them until the prisoners were released. People are making it out to be "We have these hostages, pay the ransom or else". You can keep trying to make this some big conspiracy but they've been pretty up front about the situation since they announced it in January. Why would you not want to use every bit of leverage you have to save American lives?
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I am sorry, but the connection is there and that makes the perception in the minds of warlords world wide register this.
 
iguanaman said:
Thanks to Obama's leadership FEMA is doing a great job in LA. and Obama "touring" would only slow things down.
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I would say, and I defy ANY conservative to rebut, that one of the starkest differences between the Bush and Obama presidencies has been the funding and effectiveness of FEMA. FEMA was an utter disaster under Bush; under Obama, it's been nothing less than stellar through Sandy, wildfires, past floods and now this one.
 
joG said:
That sounds like ransom to me.
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Sure.

Also, if you fail to make car payments and your car is going to get repossessed, you'd pay a "ransom" to get to keep your car.
 
Absentglare said:
Sure.

Also, if you fail to make car payments and your car is going to get repossessed, you'd pay a "ransom" to get to keep your car.
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There is a slight difference between that situation and kidnapping. Connecting the freedom of Americans with a payment is very dangerous and that is the reason that there has been a strict policy not to pay ransom. And the payment became ransom, when it was connected to the release even, if it was a legitimate debt, in which case the thing gets an even worse dimension. Then the administration was at the same time as it paid ransom extorting behavior by Iran. Now it is perfectly possible and having watched Obama probable that his administration garbled this and did not understand, what it was doing; wanted to pull a quicky on the Persians and make a few people happy; look good. But I don't understand how anyone can defend this incompetence.
 
Presidents should stay away from catastrophe areas until the relief workers sort through all the confusion, and stabilize things as best as possible.

Bush was knocked for Katrina for a lot of unfounded reasons and, and now Obama with this?

Nonsense.
 
RetiredUSN said:
Presidents should stay away from catastrophe areas until the relief workers sort through all the confusion, and stabilize things as best as possible.

Bush was knocked for Katrina for a lot of unfounded reasons and, and now Obama with this?

Nonsense.
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Bush was knocked for Katrina for appointing a horse show judge to run FEMA.

Heckuva Job is now a wingnut radio host in Denver, where he gets paid to say colossally stupid things like "Obama reacted to Sandy faster than he reacted to Benghazi," since "the storm had hardly formed yet," and that the Deepwater Horizon spill was just what environmentalists wanted.

On the day Katrina hit, Brownie sent an email to a friend expressing a desire to quit. He was probably the least qualified (and worst) head of a government agency EVER. THAT'S why Bush was pilloried.
 
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Kobie said:
I would say, and I defy ANY conservative to rebut, that one of the starkest differences between the Bush and Obama presidencies has been the funding and effectiveness of FEMA. FEMA was an utter disaster under Bush; under Obama, it's been nothing less than stellar through Sandy, wildfires, past floods and now this one.
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I think you mean the news coverage about it has been more favorable. FEMA did a pretty good job after Katrina leaps and bounds over the hurricane Andrew response but the narrative was that GWB doesn't care about black people. Every disaster we learn from our mistakes and improve.
 
Kobie said:
Bush was knocked for Katrina for appointing a horse show judge to run FEMA.

Heckuva Job is now a wingnut radio host in Denver, where he gets paid to say colossally stupid things like "Obama reacted to Sandy faster than he reacted to Benghazi," since "the storm had hardly formed yet," and that the Deepwater Horizon spill was just what environmentalists wanted.

On the day Katrina hit, Brownie sent an email to a friend expressing a desire to quit. He was probably the least qualified (and worst) head of a government agency EVER. THAT'S why Bush was pilloried.
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FEMA also relied too heavily on local and state governments at the time for setting up initial actions. A standard practice that was in place long before Bush and his cronies were in the picture. There was plenty of blame at the local and state level to go along with the federal incompetence. But.... I will agree that Bush had the wrong guy in place at the time. You need a person that can sort through the whirlwind of confusion, miscommunication, direct the right people as secondary responders, and logistics................ on the fly. You don't place a wall street type of person in that position.
 
Crovax said:
I think you mean the news coverage about it has been more favorable. FEMA did a pretty good job after Katrina leaps and bounds over the hurricane Andrew response but the narrative was that GWB doesn't care about black people. Every disaster we learn from our mistakes and improve.
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:lamo

You serious, Clark? FEMA's response to Katrina would have been laughable, if the situation wasn't devoid of humor.

You do realize that Hurricane Andrew (another bad FEMA response, but nothing comparable to Katrina) occurred when Bush 41 was president, right?
 
Kobie said:
Bush was knocked for Katrina for appointing a horse show judge to run FEMA.

Heckuva Job is now a wingnut radio host in Denver, where he gets paid to say colossally stupid things like "Obama reacted to Sandy faster than he reacted to Benghazi," since "the storm had hardly formed yet," and that the Deepwater Horizon spill was just what environmentalists wanted.

On the day Katrina hit, Brownie sent an email to a friend expressing a desire to quit. He was probably the least qualified (and worst) head of a government agency EVER. THAT'S why Bush was pilloried.
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NOt true. Bush was pilloried to hide the incompetence of the democrat governor and a corrupt democrat mayor. Plus it was a way for dishonest, race obsessed liberals to paint Bush as uncaring about the suffering of blacks. LIberals refuse to accept responsibility for anything bad that happens, as you continue to demonstrate, so they lie and point fingers at others. Katrina was, first and foremost, a failure of LOCAL government.
 
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