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Queens imam and his assistant shot to death by gunman--local Muslims blame Trump

The news coverage on this is just plain hinky.
 
So much apologism in this topic.

Also, a Muslim shoots someone, terrorist; someone else shoots someone, gunman. Oh America, you love your double standards and pretensions of the moral high-ground over the peoples of the earth.
 
I heard that the shooter is Hispanic and the shooting is very likely part of a feud between the local Hispanics and the mu-slime invaders.
 
Interesting how this was being ginned up to be all about Trump and an anti-Muslim hate crime....and suddenly...no one gives a ****.
 
Gaztopian said:
So much apologism in this topic.

Also, a Muslim shoots someone, terrorist; someone else shoots someone, gunman. Oh America, you love your double standards and pretensions of the moral high-ground over the peoples of the earth.
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Any time someone commits an act in the name of their cause with a goal of promoting their causeand increasing fear, it is terrorism. If a Muslim chops off someones head because they are gay and Sharia requires it and if they do so filming themselves shouting Allah Ahkbar! then it is terrorism. If Jim and 6 other people are playing poker and someone cheats and Jim snaps and whips out a bowie and hits him, chopping off his head...he is a ****head that committed a murder.

You know the difference....right?
 
VanceMack said:
Any time someone commits an act in the name of their cause with a goal of promoting their causeand increasing fear, it is terrorism. If a Muslim chops off someones head because they are gay and Sharia requires it and if they do so filming themselves shouting Allah Ahkbar! then it is terrorism. If Jim and 6 other people are playing poker and someone cheats and Jim snaps and whips out a bowie and hits him, chopping off his head...he is a ****head that committed a murder.

You know the difference....right?
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How dishonest of you. You define terrorism as an act of violence motivated by ideology, yet you fail to apply that definition to someone who killed another based on his faith.
 
Gaztopian said:
How dishonest of you. You define terrorism as an act of violence motivated by ideology, yet you fail to apply that definition to someone who killed another based on his faith.
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Where did he say that?
Reading his comment it seems like he differs between an act of murder where the victim is picked for something he's done or something like that and an act of murder where the victim is picked for his nationality/ethnicity/sexuality/religion/etc.
 
Apocalypse said:
Where did he say that?
Reading his comment it seems like he differs between an act of murder where the victim is picked for something he's done or something like that and an act of murder where the victim is picked for his nationality/ethnicity/sexuality/religion/etc.
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In this topic, the victim was picked for his religion. Why is his murderer a gunman and not a terrorist?
 
VanceMack said:
A-not sure what 'looks Jewish' looks like and b-is that what you have in mind when you think 'looks Jewish'?

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I mean...I suppose he could be....
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Hardly looks like a Trump supporter to me. He don't look them wrinkled up white racist "Mericuns" .............and he ain't chewin no Tah-bacca.
 
Gaztopian said:
In this topic, the victim was picked for his religion. Why is his murderer a gunman and not a terrorist?
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He told you that if a victim is picked not for something he's done but for something he is, so to promote a cause or to create fear, then it is terrorism. This means that if this case happens to answer these conditions, it is terrorism. Right now there is a suspect held by police and that's pretty much it, as more info will be revealed I'm sure we'll get to know what it's all about.
 
Apocalypse said:
He told you that if a victim is picked not for something he's done but for something he is, so to promote a cause or to create fear, then it is terrorism. This means that if this case happens to answer these conditions, it is terrorism. Right now there is a suspect held by police and that's pretty much it, as more info will be revealed I'm sure we'll get to know what it's all about.
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Then we are in agreement. But to be willfully ignorant of the history of this phenomenon doesn't behoove us. Few observe this diligence when the shooter is a Muslim, and when it's the other way around, the majority maintain the term gunman and never apply the term terrorist.
 
Gaztopian said:
How dishonest of you. You define terrorism as an act of violence motivated by ideology, yet you fail to apply that definition to someone who killed another based on his faith.
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I suggest your comments are driven by your sad little agenda. Dishonest? Grab a mirror, pal. And then while you are at it, grab a dictionary. Terrorism is "the use of violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims." A gunman is 'just' a gunman unless that gunman's act is motivated by ideology.
 
VanceMack said:
I suggest your comments are driven by your sad little agenda. Dishonest? Grab a mirror, pal. And then while you are at it, grab a dictionary. Terrorism is "the use of violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims." A gunman is 'just' a gunman unless that gunman's act is motivated by ideology.
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So you assert that if this 'gunman' in question turns out to have targeted those victims based solely on their faith, he remains a 'gunman' and not a terrorist? If this is the case, I believe we know who's driven by "sad little agenda".
 
Gaztopian said:
So you assert that if this 'gunman' in question turns out to have targeted those victims based solely on their faith, he remains a 'gunman' and not a terrorist? If this is the case, I believe we know who's driven by "sad little agenda".
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If the shooter is a Muslim, is he still a terrorist?
 
apdst said:
If the shooter is a Muslim, is he still a terrorist?
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If he turns out to have targeted them for their faith, sure thing, though I can't fathom the idiocy that would compel you to entertain that scenario.
 
Gaztopian said:
If he turns out to have targeted them for their faith, sure thing, though I can't fathom the idiocy that would compel you to entertain that scenario.
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Just a consistency test, is all.
 
Gaztopian said:
In this topic, the victim was picked for his religion.
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Maybe, maybe not. The gunman's motives are not clear and the victims may have been selected due to their ethnicity. There has evidently been violent disputes between Hispanics and Bengalis in that neighborhood.

Of course, the fact that 95% of Bengalis are moslem may blur that distinction. Even still, it is very possible that they were not targeted solely due to their religion. Rather, the primary motivation could be revenge for a purported attack against Hispanics by Bengalis that occurred several weeks ago in that area.
 
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Gaztopian said:
So you assert that if this 'gunman' in question turns out to have targeted those victims based solely on their faith, he remains a 'gunman' and not a terrorist? If this is the case, I believe we know who's driven by "sad little agenda".
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Indeed. If it turns out it was a random stranger targeting no specific individual or ideology and with no intent, they are a gunman...not a terrorist.
Still struggling with that whole 'dictionary' thing huh?
 
So...still no apology to Trump from the Muslims in Queens?
 
Trump has consistently raised the hate factor with his intemperant rabblerousing comments. No apology necessary.
 
Manc Skipper said:
Trump has consistently raised the hate factor with his intemperant rabblerousing comments. No apology necessary.
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Muslims have constantly provoked fear with their sectarian practices and ideals - when a community has so many whose very ideals are themselves sectarian, then it's naturally cause for wariness. The amazing thing is that they try to argue these ideals with a straight face, proclaiming them to be the fount of tolerance. This is why the Muslim world is 3rd-rate and 3rd-world.
 
Jane said:
Why are men so violent?
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I guess it goes back to the days when men were the hunters. It became ingrained in their DNA. Cut their nuts off like they do tomcats and they'll mellow out.
 
Ahlevah said:
I guess it goes back to the days when men were the hunters. It became ingrained in their DNA. Cut their nuts off like they do tomcats and they'll mellow out.
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You may well say that. I couldn't possibly comment.
 
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