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Assange implies murdered DNC staffer was WikiLeaks' source

Mason66 said:
Prove this.

Thanks
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I can not prove he is directly working with trump, I mean he is working with trump as in aiding him, Probably should have used clearer language but you get the picture.
 
Erod said:
How many people do you know that were murdered? I don't know anyone. Most don't. Even celebrities.

The Clintons knew 11 people that were murdered in cold blood. Eleven.

That's unnatural.
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The CT sub-forum is here. Have fun!!!

You'll fit right in.
 
beerftw said:
I can not prove he is directly working with trump, I mean he is working with trump as in aiding him, Probably should have used clearer language but you get the picture.
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Rubbish - by that definition, Hillary Clinton is working with Trump - by engaging in govt corruption that gives Trump fodder to criticize her and boost his own popularity. Nobody told Hillary to be corrupt - that's on her.
 
sanman said:
Rubbish - by that definition, Hillary Clinton is working with Trump - by engaging in govt corruption that gives Trump fodder to criticize her and boost his own popularity. Nobody told Hillary to be corrupt - that's on her.
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Working with in this case would be they are directly attacking hilary and ignoring trump. Assange has a beef with hillary and obama, the russians do not want hillary because she will expand the new cold war while trump will work with russia.

The russias want trump over hillary, and assange hates hillary and obama, so trump became the benefactor simply by not being her.
 
 
beerftw said:
Working with in this case would be they are directly attacking hilary and ignoring trump. Assange has a beef with hillary and obama, the russians do not want hillary because she will expand the new cold war while trump will work with russia.

The russias want trump over hillary, and assange hates hillary and obama, so trump became the benefactor simply by not being her.
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Translation: Trump has no special relationship with Putin - neither a special alliance nor a special antagonism - unlike the Democrats who are beholden to special interests, like those who don't want the Cold War to end.

The Republican base (not talking about their bribable political establishment) are nationalist, and will oppose whoever threatens the United States. During the Cold War, that was mainly Moscow. But the Republican base won't just support fighting wars for the sake of special interests. Meanwhile, the Democrats are indeed the party which caters to special interests - having become even more so under the Clintons, who will cosy up to big banks, etc, in a departure from classical Left-wing working-class populism. So the Democrats under the Clintons are indeed all too happy to stoke up the Cold War, if it means more support and money for them from the relevant special interests (including ethnic special interests).

Trump is a threat to Cold Warriors, simply by virtue of not being the sellout sHillary Clinton. There is no need for a new Cold War, and Trump knows that, as do many in the Republican base. Eisenhower likewise took a stand against unnecessary warmongering by special interests.


Who shot Seth Rich? No valuables were taken from the guy. Why shoot someone dead for no apparent reason? Shouldn't his valuables have been taken? They weren't.

Do the Democrats have their own team of "2nd Amendment people"? At least nobody's actually died because of Trump or his gaffes. But Hillary's camp are into wrongDOING and not merely wrong speaking.

Assange didn't get into the leaks business on some whim of becoming a Russian stooge.
Wikileaks isn't a 1-man operation -- especially with Assange being stuck in the Ecuadorian embassy -- it's a group of idealists, with Assange as their leader. I doubt that Assange would be able to maintain the loyalty of that group of idealists, if he were simply engaging in a petty grudge match against Hillary/Obama.
 
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joG said:
If I were planing to sow distrust and wanted to discredit the American system, undermine its legitimacy, I would try to plant just such a story. It fits to Assange and it would equally fit the strategies used under Russian war doctrine.
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Huh...did Russia force the DNC and Hillary to do all the things they did? Are they in collusion? Every country tries to interfere with other countries. Obama went over the the UK and told them not to vote for Brexit. We also tapped Angela Merkel's cell phone.

Fact is, if there wasn't actual stuff happening to sow distrust then it would be a non-issue. Fact is, blaming Russia is simply deflecting.
 
Kushinator said:
Wow, the rabid-partisan conservatives are getting ever so desperate.

:popcorn:
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^---- Lol @ the person that thinks it's only conservatives that at least give the Clinton body count some consideration. I know of at least two people, who were very big Bernie supporters, that believe in this.

Sorry to burst your false bubble.
 
beerftw said:
Wikileaks and assange are already listed as enemy of the state. He has already pissed of this countries govt as well as others, hence why he is hiding in an embassy, because if he goes through proceedings in sweden and they extradite him, he will face hell, as they consider his as big of a threat as osama bin laden was.
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How can he be an enemy of the state when he has broken no laws? The U.S. has no jurisdiction over him. As far as being in an embassy, he was there because of trumped up charges of rape, that have now been dropped and the U.N. has declared his detention in the embassy illegal.

https://www.thenation.com/article/i...anel-declared-julian-assange-should-be-freed/
 
beerftw said:
Working with in this case would be they are directly attacking hilary and ignoring trump. Assange has a beef with hillary and obama, the russians do not want hillary because she will expand the new cold war while trump will work with russia.

The russias want trump over hillary, and assange hates hillary and obama, so trump became the benefactor simply by not being her.
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You're confused. Their leak was on the DNC, not Hillary, and Russia didn't force them to be douches and run a shame of a primary...wait was Debbie a Russian agent as well?!? Glad I could clear that up for you. Oh...and please explain to me how working with Russia is worse than ramping up the Cold War to new record levels. I mean, Turkey is in NATO and we have more in common with Russia than Turkey so you tell me.
 
sanman said:
"Look out! The Russians are coming! The Russians are coming! Dems told us so!"
:roll:

So now Julian Assange is a Russian agent? And you've already told us that Trump is one, too.

Who else is a Russian agent?

Was Vince Foster a Russian agent too?




So Julian Assange is a conservative GOP agent?

Is he a double-agent working for Putin and the GOP?

Or is Putin part of a Vast Right-Wing GOP Conspiracy?
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Assange is a r´Russian agent? I doubt that.
 
sanman said:
So how come this never happened during the Cold War? Don't tell me - the Russians suddenly just got smarter - just in time for poor sweet Hillary Clinton. :roll:
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Actually, the doctrine I referred to is an innovation since the Cold War.

PS: I was not sure, what you meant by "this never happened during the Cold War".
 
Μολὼν λαβέ;1066187431 said:
Was it too dangerous to kill JFK?
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I would not say it was impossible that JFK was assassinated on order of the Kremlin, but I do doubt it.
 
Fishking said:
Huh...did Russia force the DNC and Hillary to do all the things they did? Are they in collusion? Every country tries to interfere with other countries. Obama went over the the UK and told them not to vote for Brexit. We also tapped Angela Merkel's cell phone.

Fact is, if there wasn't actual stuff happening to sow distrust then it would be a non-issue. Fact is, blaming Russia is simply deflecting.
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The distrust I was speaking of was domestic in this case. And yes there is a great difference in tapping Merkel's phone and killing a man in the street.
 
joG said:
The distrust I was speaking of was domestic in this case. And yes there is a great difference in tapping Merkel's phone and killing a man in the street.
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There are too many coincidences here to be benign - why were none of this man's valuables stolen?

Why would Julian Assange put out a reward for information on Seth Rich's murder if Rich wasn't his leak source? I doubt Assange is doing this just to roil the US elections - he didn't get into the leaks business just to mess with everyone's heads, he did it to pursue his own political ideals.
 
joG said:
Actually, the doctrine I referred to is an innovation since the Cold War.

PS: I was not sure, what you meant by "this never happened during the Cold War".
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"Innovation"???? You make it sound like they've just invented Quantum Computing, or terahertz transistors - ie. something which wasn't considered possible in the previous era.

 
joG said:
The distrust I was speaking of was domestic in this case. And yes there is a great difference in tapping Merkel's phone and killing a man in the street.
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Right, this is not unique, new, or anything worthy of comment. All countries try to maneuver to their advantage. To say otherwise is simply, I dunno, ill-informed. And if you think our government, or people in it, are above killing its people (even if there is nothing to the inordinate number of strange deaths around the Clintons) you're not paying attention.

Check out things like Operation Northwoods, which only wasn't implemented because JFK decided against it.
 
Fishking said:
You're confused. Their leak was on the DNC, not Hillary, and Russia didn't force them to be douches and run a shame of a primary...wait was Debbie a Russian agent as well?!? Glad I could clear that up for you. Oh...and please explain to me how working with Russia is worse than ramping up the Cold War to new record levels. I mean, Turkey is in NATO and we have more in common with Russia than Turkey so you tell me.
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Wow I think you need to reread, I never said working with russia was worse than a cold war anywhere, infact I believe it s better to work with russia, you created strawman argument number one.


The leak was not on hillary, but was used against hillary, hence the direct attack on hillary, given the timeframe it was released before the convention, with rising tensions between hillary and bernie supporters.
 
Fishking said:
How can he be an enemy of the state when he has broken no laws? The U.S. has no jurisdiction over him. As far as being in an embassy, he was there because of trumped up charges of rape, that have now been dropped and the U.N. has declared his detention in the embassy illegal.

https://www.thenation.com/article/i...anel-declared-julian-assange-should-be-freed/
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Realeasing classified documents and information is a crime in the us, even though he is not in the us. You do know the difference between being an enemy of the state and being charged as a criminal right?

Further the un dropping charges does not equal the what the us does.As far as the us govt is concerned, assange is on the same league as terrorists. basically the us govt treats whistle blowers as americas worst enemy.

 
beerftw said:
Realeasing classified documents and information is a crime in the us, even though he is not in the us. You do know the difference between being an enemy of the state and being charged as a criminal right?

Further the un dropping charges does not equal the what the us does.As far as the us govt is concerned, assange is on the same league as terrorists. basically the us govt treats whistle blowers as americas worst enemy.
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Meh - Assange and Snowden are mild offenders compared to Obama's guru, Bill Ayers

Just How Radical Were The People Who Influenced Barack Hussein Obama?
 
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