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Nike airs Olympics ad featuring transgender athlete

jonny5 said:
Except again, they no longer do that. See above.
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Nike wasn't the only or worst company to use sweatshops. But it was the one everybody knew.

Transparency doesn't change ongoing reports of abuses, still-low wages, or tragedies like the one in Bangladesh.

But by becoming a leader instead of denying every allegation, Nike has mostly managed to put the most difficult chapter in it's history behind it and other companies who outsource could stand to learn a few things from Nike's turnaround.
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lol...it was a PR campaign. They still use these places, maybe not as hardcore as Apple any longer, but they still do.

Nike has managed to turn its image around. Nike hasn't been completely successful in bringing factories into line, but there's no denying that the company has executed one of the greatest image turnarounds in recent decades.
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So it hasn't been completely successful actually making changes, but they are very successful in getting people to THINK they've actually made all the changes.

lol
 
Chris.

Of course, it's Chris.
 
Ikari said:
lol...it was a PR campaign. They still use these places, maybe not as hardcore as Apple any longer, but they still do.



So it hasn't been completely successful actually making changes, but they are very successful in getting people to THINK they've actually made all the changes.

lol
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Not just a PR campaign. Theyre being very transparent on who they use and the conditions there, fixing the issues. And the report talk about how the human rights people agree. That means there is substanial improvement. What more do you want?
 
jonny5 said:
Not just a PR campaign. Theyre being very transparent on who they use and the conditions there, fixing the issues. And the report talk about how the human rights people agree. That means there is substanial improvement. What more do you want?
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Yes, and their transparency, which hasn't solved the problems, led to an increase in positive opinion of the company. So nothing real was accomplished, but people feel better. PR campaign.
 
What color shoes, pink or blue?
 
It's so very nice to not be watching TV anymore. lol. No politically and socially motivated TV shows or commercials in your life is grand.
 
Btw, people that are taking testosterone shouldn't be allowed in compete no matter if they are transgender or not. Saying that however, the levels given to transgenders pretty much puts them at an unfair advantage against their peers since their levels will be higher than most. That's not even factoring in natural declines and increases that won't be a factor for someone using testosterone.

Keep in mind what I said in the first sentence before you decide to blast me for being all anti-trans or whatever. Taking testosterone is cheating no matter what.
 
One more thing. If transgenders are allowed to compete while on hormones than everyone should be allowed to compete while on hormones. Why should transgenders get the advantage of artificial hormones, while everyone else has to deal with their natural levels? I don't think allowing someone to boost their levels, while barring everyone else from doing the same is fair.

On a related note, I think if transgenders are allowed to take estrogen blockers while competing then so should everyone else. Again, why should they not have to deal with estrogen converting a consider chunk of their testosterone, while everyone else does? That doesn't seem fair either.
 
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Henrin said:
One more thing. If transgenders are allowed to compete while on hormones than everyone should be allowed to compete while on hormones. Why should transgenders get the advantage of artificial hormones, while everyone else has to deal with their natural levels? I don't think allowing someone to boost their levels, while barring everyone else from doing the same is fair.

On a related note, I think if transgenders are allowed to take estrogen blockers while competing then so should everyone else. Again, why should they not have to deal with estrogen converting a consider chunk of their testosterone, while everyone else does? That doesn't seem fair either.
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Oh and yes, I'm fully aware what that means for men. If both transgenders and men were allowed to estrogen blockers the testosterone levels of the men would be considerably higher than that of the transgender. Still though, allowing the transgender to use the estrogen blocker stops the estrogen their body actually produces from destroying some of the testosterone they're putting in their system, which isn't really fair to the men.
 
Henrin said:
It's so very nice to not be watching TV anymore. lol. No politically and socially motivated TV shows or commercials in your life is grand.
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Btw, due to commercials on Hulu being politically motivated I had to cancel that too. lol. Apparently, Hulu thought I wanted to see a commercial about the hardships of women firefighters. No, I do not. Canceled.
 
Ikari said:
Yes, and their transparency, which hasn't solved the problems, led to an increase in positive opinion of the company. So nothing real was accomplished, but people feel better. PR campaign.
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Read the articles. There has been significant improvement directly due to the changes they made and they are leading the way in changing things. So lots of real things were accomplished. Improved conditions, ceasing working altogether with factories failing to meet standards. Its simply factualy incorrect to claim nothing was accomplished.

The decision to cut ties to Lyric Industries, with which Nike had worked for more than a decade, and to another factory reduced Nike's footprint in Bangladesh to four facilities. In effect, it conceded that problems outsourcing production to the country couldn't be easily fixed.
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It has plowed money into helping factories and sacrificed sales at key moments when standards were breached. It has largely eliminated problems such as factory-worker deaths and the use of certain hazardous chemicals.
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Nike released the names and locations of its factories—the first major retailer to do so—to be more transparent about its supply chain. It improved air quality for workers by using water-based glue instead of petroleum-based adhesives to attach the soles of its shoes. It stationed dozens of people in countries where it manufactured products and worked more closely with its factories to find cost savings and improve worker treatment.
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Inside Nike's Struggle to Balance Cost and Worker Safety in Bangladesh - WSJ
 
jonny5 said:
Read the articles. There has been significant improvement directly due to the changes they made and they are leading the way in changing things. So lots of real things were accomplished. Improved conditions, ceasing working altogether with factories failing to meet standards. Its simply factualy incorrect to claim nothing was accomplished.






Inside Nike's Struggle to Balance Cost and Worker Safety in Bangladesh - WSJ
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There are lots of little things that Nike can point to to say "look at what we're doing to try to solve the problem". But read the article...the problem is not solved. Nike has control of their own factories, if they wanted to solve the problem they could. Shut down those factories, bring them to America where we have oversight and labor laws. But they won't. Why? Because slave labor is cheap.

So in the end, they want to look like they're doing something. They're going to make marginal gains and say "look at me!!!". Read the article, that's what they are doing. They are not committed to an actual solution because an actual solution is expensive. They just want to maintain the pretense that they are seeking a solution.

PR nonsense.
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
Whether Chris Mosier has an advantage or not is a question of testosterone levels. Any endurance athlete on 100 mg of exogenous testosterone a week will probably have an advantage over other athletes and if they are on 135 mg of exogenous testosterone a week they will almost certainly have an advantage. Reason being is that 135 mg of test a week puts you at the top end of natural production.

Let's say that athlete Bill's natural testosterone levels average a high 800 ng / dl. Athlete Bob is on exogenous testosterone at a dosage of 135 mg of test a week. His testosterone level median is in the 800 ng /dl range. So on the face of it, it looks like they are at similar levels.

Here is the problem though. Both of them are training hard for the olympics. Both are running in excess of 60 miles per week, riding in excess of 100 miles per week, swimming, and strength training. This training results in both of them hemolizing a lot RBCs and thus has the potential of reducing their HCT. Bill because he is completely natural will see his free testosterone levels decline by quite a lot after hard runs or rides. Bob because he is on exogenous test will not see such a decline in free t after hard endurance training. This means that Bob's body does a better job of protein synthesis for muscle repair and due to his consistently higher free t levels will have higher natural EPO levels and thus better RBC production, thus Bob will maintain a higher HCT even with hard training.

That all said Bill may well still have better genetics than Bob, may start with a higher vo2 max, and thus may still be faster and stronger. However, all things being equal, Bob on exogenous test will have a small advantage.
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All important stuff and thats why that part i leave to the medical community professionals to decided on.
 
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American said:
Yes he did, he considered himself a woman even then.
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thank you for proving yourself wrong because that has nothign to do with OP LOL
Was jenner out? nope
Did jenner air in the first transgender commercial about being out and the struggle? nope
Did jenner start treatment yet to transition? nope
Did jenner compete in the events based on his transition and based on his gender identity? nope
etc etc etc

Jenner didn't do anything this story is based on.
 
AGENT J said:
thank you for proving yourself wrong because that has nothign to do with OP LOL
Was jenner out? nope
Did jenner air in the first transgender commercial about being out and the struggle? nope
Did jenner start treatment yet to transition? nope
Did jenner compete in the events based on his transition and based on his gender identity? nope
etc etc etc

Jenner didn't do anything this story is based on.
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I know a Jenner-hater when I see one.
 
Ikari said:
There are lots of little things that Nike can point to to say "look at what we're doing to try to solve the problem". But read the article...the problem is not solved. Nike has control of their own factories, if they wanted to solve the problem they could. Shut down those factories, bring them to America where we have oversight and labor laws. But they won't. Why? Because slave labor is cheap.

So in the end, they want to look like they're doing something. They're going to make marginal gains and say "look at me!!!". Read the article, that's what they are doing. They are not committed to an actual solution because an actual solution is expensive. They just want to maintain the pretense that they are seeking a solution.

PR nonsense.
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Your statement was nothing real was accomplished. Yet youre not providing any supporting information to back it up.
 
American said:
I know a Jenner-hater when I see one.
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LOL thats what It thought!
let me know when you can show us Jenner did those things :)
 
TurtleDude said:
as they were in 1976 when many of East Germany's "women" track and swimming athletes had more testosterone in their systems than Johnny Waad, Ron Jeremy and Harry Reems ever had
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:lamo Well there you have it then...
 
jonny5 said:
Your statement was nothing real was accomplished. Yet youre not providing any supporting information to back it up.
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Your article proves it. Nothing real happened. They have some superficial gains, but nothing else has happened, the problem is not solved. The problem is solvable, immediately so. Shut down factories in the third world countries employing child and near slave labor, open up factories in America or Western Europe where there are regulations and laws to prevent the explotation of labor.

They won't do it. That is expensive, the actual solution, which exists at this point and time, is expensive. So instead they make a show of it, as demonstrated by your article, and as admitted by the article, nothing has been solved. They cut some times, they did some "look at me!" style initiatives. But if they were truly looking to stop using slave and child labor...they would stop. Done deal. But they haven't.

It's a PR stunt. Nothing more. To make people feel a little better about buying shoes produced by some poor kid in China. If they wanted to solve the problem, they would have. The fact that they haven't shows that this is PR.
 
TurtleDude said:
My youngest brother-a big time HS middle distance star-was in Germany after the wall came down supervising a big architectural project for his NY based firm. When he had some free time he followed the trials going on of "doctors" and trainers who helped the East german "women" swimmers and track athletes of both genders (including the guy who stole the gold medal from Frank Shorter in the Marathon) dope their way to wins. Kornelia Ender and the Marathon guy (Walter Cierpenski (sp)] both testified to all the injections, pills and other things given them. If IIRC some of the athletes had cancers consistent with doping
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Who are we to stand in the way of those who self identify as Olympians!
 
American said:
He's the first transgen athlete.
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we don't know that nor is that what the OP is about, thank you for again proving yourself wrong :)
 
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