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VFW slams Trump, Gold Star families demand apology

cpwill said:
Trump did, when he claimed that Khan didn't have the RIGHT to get up as he did, and criticize his-royal-thin-skinnedness.
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Khan doesn't have the right to defame anyone!

We've already done this. Are we just going around in circle here?
 
tosca1 said:
Khan doesn't have the right to defame anyone! Are we going around in circle here?
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Actually Kahn has the right to criticize Trump as much as he pleases. There's even an Amendment about it.

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cpwill said:
Precisely. So, in effect, there is no end date.

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How did you arrive at that conclusion that there is no end date? First of all, Trump is not in office yet.
 
cpwill said:
Actually Kahn has the right to criticize Trump as much as he pleases. There's even an Amendment about it.

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Okay, if you say it's a criticism.

Trump has the same right as Khan to criticize back.
So....how come pro-Khan are all trying to muzzle Trump, and deny him his rights?
 
tosca1 said:
Okay, if you say it's a criticism.

Trump has the same right as Khan to criticize back.
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Sure. You're absolutely free to be as classless as you like. Trump has the right to act like a jackass. He's just not right to do so.



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cpwill said:
Sure. You're absolutely free to be as classless as you like. Trump has the right to act like a jackass. He's just not right to do so.



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And it's also something that a presidential candidate shouldn't do.
 
cpwill said:
Sure. You're absolutely free to be as classless as you like. Trump has the right to act like a jackass. He's just not right to do so.

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How come you've gotten down so low to outright personal insults, and name-calling?
Insults are all you posted on that one, and just adamantly re-stating your opinion that was already rebutted.

I think we're done here, cpwill.
 
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tosca1 said:
How come you've gotten down to name-calling?
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Well, to be clear, I said Trump was acting like a jackass. But I'm fine saying he is one, because he is; and he is, because he acts like one

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tosca1 said:
Where is that written? By whose order?
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How come I'm not allowed to criticize Trump without you claiming I'm trying to silence him? Why are you suppressing my freedom of speech?
 
Deuce said:
How come I'm not allowed to criticize Trump without you claiming I'm trying to silence him? Why are you suppressing my freedom of speech?
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I'm not suppressing you from speaking. I'm discussing and rebutting.

There was one who tried to suppress my right to express by telling me to stfu.
 
tosca1 said:
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How did you arrive at that conclusion that there is no end date?
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Because there isn't one. Nor are the conditions described at which point we would have one.

And, of course, the notion that it might be temporary remains irrelevant to the fact that Kahn has every right to criticize a Ban, and Trump is wrong to say that he doesn't.
 
cpwill said:
Because there isn't one. Nor are the conditions described at which point we would have one.

And, of course, the notion that it might be temporary remains irrelevant to the fact that Kahn has every right to criticize a Ban, and Trump is wrong to say that he doesn't.
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Kahn can criticize to his, and MSNBC's delight, but that doesn't mean that it isn't common sense that we take the time to make sure that whom we let into this country is vetted, and isn't part of a sleeper plot to bring more attacks to innocent people here....We shouldn't be driven by emotion in allowing just anyone in here anymore.
 
j-mac said:
Kahn can criticize to his, and MSNBC's delight, but that doesn't mean that it isn't common sense that we take the time to make sure that whom we let into this country is vetted, and isn't part of a sleeper plot to bring more attacks to innocent people here....We shouldn't be driven by emotion in allowing just anyone in here anymore.
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Sure. That's different from "No Muslims".
 
cpwill said:
Sure. That's different from "No Muslims".
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And that I believe is what Trump is in artfully putting forward....He's not saying just a total ban for a ban's sake...But, this BS meme that the progressive demo party is putting out there through its media surrogates such as MSNBC, and CNN, etc. to be lapped up by those so willing to believe it, is disgusting....

So, tell me Will, how should have Trump handled it? He was in a no win situation....If he said nothing, sure maybe would have been better, but would have been touted as 'Trump beaten by Father of fallen solider'.... So, if he says something he looses, if he keeps silent he looses....Meanwhile Hillary is allowed to just keep on lying daily....The racist, homophobic, misogynist demo party gets to sweep their own scandals under the rug and drive the narrative....Why should we allow this?
 
j-mac said:
And that I believe is what Trump is in artfully putting forward....He's not saying just a total ban for a ban's sake...But, this BS meme that the progressive demo party is putting out there through its media surrogates such as MSNBC, and CNN, etc. to be lapped up by those so willing to believe it, is disgusting....
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And, by, "the progressive demo party and their media surrogates" you mean.....

Trump's own website?

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/press-...mp-statement-on-preventing-muslim-immigration

Donald J. Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States...​

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So, tell me Will, how should have Trump handled it?
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He should have handled it the way that W handled Cindy Sheehan - you mourn their loss, you honor their sacrifice, you respectfully disagree with their conclusion because [shift to policy and away from them].

You don't punch down. You especially don't punch down to universally sympathetic targets such as Gold Star families. Not if you're not a moronic jackass, nor if you want to win the Presidency.

Meanwhile Hillary is allowed to just keep on lying daily....The racist, homophobic, misogynist demo party gets to sweep their own scandals under the rug and drive the narrative....Why should we allow this?
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Trump engaging in his own excuses their's. He is making it less possible for us to stop or hinder or mitigate or even call them out.
 
cpwill said:
And, by, "the progressive demo party and their media surrogates" you mean.....

Trump's own website?

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/press-...mp-statement-on-preventing-muslim-immigration

Donald J. Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States...​

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Will, you're being dishonest with your quote of the statement....The rest of the quote up to the period says: ..." until our country's representatives can figure out what is going on."

Why did you leave that out?

He should have handled it the way that W handled Cindy Sheehan - you mourn their loss, you honor their sacrifice, you respectfully disagree with their conclusion because [shift to policy and away from them].

You don't punch down. You especially don't punch down to universally sympathetic targets such as Gold Star families. Not if you're not a moronic jackass, nor if you want to win the Presidency.
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I don't disagree totally, but jackass or not, he is the party nominee. He won it fair and square, and I also hope that someone gets to Trump, not to change him, he has to be who he is, but maybe to move him on message....Demo's are troll's, and he shouldn't take the bait.

Trump engaging in his own excuses their's. He is making it less possible for us to stop or hinder or mitigate or even call them out.
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Ok, I get it....But, come on...This infighting is not helping just as much as Trump's foot in mouth disease. We have the chance to stomp on the demo's worst candidate possibly in history, and are going to loose if we can't get it together.
 
j-mac said:
Will, you're being dishonest with your quote of the statement....The rest of the quote up to the period says: ..." until our country's representatives can figure out what is going on."

Why did you leave that out?
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Because it isn't relevant to whether or not Trump was calling for a ban?

I don't disagree totally, but jackass or not, he is the party nominee.
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:shrug: good on him. Bad for the GOP.

He won it fair and square and I also hope that someone gets to Trump, not to change him, he has to be who he is, but maybe to move him on message....Demo's are troll's, and he shouldn't take the bait.
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:lol: trump is trump, man. he's not going to cease being a narcissistic angry child just because he should.

Ok, I get it....But, come on...This infighting is not helping just as much as Trump's foot in mouth disease. ... and are going to loose if we can't get it together.
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In order for there to be "in"fighting, we would both have to be "in" something. As a conservative, however, I am currently politically homeless. When Trump won the nomination, the chance of me supporting or voting for the GOP's Presidential nominee dropped to zero. If the GOP wants to become the party of slandering Gold Star Families, know-nothingism, abandoning our allies, enabling our enemies, and rejecting the idea that morals and character counts.... then I do not stand with that, and will never stand with that. Neither should you, man. We're both better than this, what this party has become, celebrated, or excused.


Additionally, I decided a while back to make a deliberate effort not to get sucked into partisan positioning. I'll judge candidates based on their actions, words, and merits, not on their team. If a Republican - even one I like - does something stupid, I'm not going to avoid pointing that out. If they do something morally atrocious, I'm going to land on them for it. Ditto Democrats. Ditto Libertarians et. al. I'm an ideologue, not a partisan.


If Trump loses, and the drive to destroy conservatism and replace it with trumpism (a nasty mixture of nationalism, economic protectionism, and anti-intellectualism) fails, then my response will be: Good. And then I will continue to point out the (many, many, many) moral and competency failings of Hillary Clinton.



We have the chance to stomp on the demo's worst candidate possibly in history
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Bro, we lost that chance in the Indiana primary. It's gone. When they voted for Trump to be the GOP nominee, they were de facto voting for Hillary to win the General. They wanted to blow up the GOP, and they did. Congrats, fellas. Get used to saying "President Clinton" again.



At this point, it's a defense-in-depth action to try to preserve the credibility of future Republicans (which is why as many as possible should publicly distance themselves as far as they can from that toxic orange wastebucket), and, if possible (and it might not be), the Senate.
 
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cpwill said:
Because there isn't one. Nor are the conditions described at which point we would have one.

And, of course, the notion that it might be temporary remains irrelevant to the fact that Kahn has every right to criticize a Ban, and Trump is wrong to say that he doesn't.
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Except that Trump was not referring particularly about the ban.....but to the lies that Khan had stated.
 
cpwill said:
Because it isn't relevant to whether or not Trump was calling for a ban?
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It is absolutely relevant...There is a clear difference between calling for a flat out ban, and calling for a temporary ban until we can make sure we don't let the enemy in the wire....
 
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