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Police get off from another shooting.

Because I disagree with your weird perception that police brutality is justified because of what a small minority of black people do? No, sorry. You're simply wrong.



Admitting you got scared off by e-mails and messages from random people does not win you any points, sailor. :)

I come on here because it is fun, and I made a few friends in the meantime.

As far as dealing with you? I could get more satisfaction from kicking a 10 week old puppy if I were inclined to..
 
I come on here because it is fun, and I made a few friends in the meantime.

Entirely irrelevant to me, I simply stated that you were scared off by a few random people. If they're you're friends, it's irrelevant. They're all random.

As far as dealing with you? I could get more satisfaction from kicking a 10 week old puppy if I were inclined to..

Dealing with me? Good grief, you started with an absurd No True Scotsman argument that you couldn't even debate past the 2nd post. In short, this is your argument:

You can't be from the hood -- which you laughably referred to as the BLACK COMMUNITY -- if you don't agree that what a small minority of black people do justifies police brutality.

Did you even bother to read the exchange you responded to?

I don't think you would have done well in a debate against me.

:lol:
 
Entirely irrelevant to me, I simply stated that you were scared off by a few random people. If they're you're friends, it's irrelevant. They're all random.



Dealing with me? Good grief, you started with an absurd No True Scotsman argument that you couldn't even debate past the 2nd post. In short, this is your argument:

You can't be from the hood -- which you laughably referred to as the BLACK COMMUNITY -- if you don't agree that what a small minority of black people do justifies police brutality.

Did you even bother to read the exchange you responded to?

I don't think you would have done well in a debate against me.

:lol:

I stopped comparing wee wee's back in the fourth grade. It's not about ego for me.......like it is you.

You lied again when you said that you are from the streets, so why would any serious person debate you knowing that you will throw out anything hoping that it will stick.

I can message you my name, address, and cell number if you would like to have a face to face on the issue.
 
I stopped comparing wee wee's back in the fourth grade. It's not about ego for me.......like it is you.

Hey, buddy, it's not my fault you ran away from a debate because other people told you to.

You lied again when you said that you are from the streets,

You assert it's a lie because you disagree with the view that what a small minority of black people does not justify brutality? Are you purposely trying to go after fallacies?
 
Rancher was called out by the officers and then dispatch called him. When he fired, the officers thought he fired at them.

Like I said, dark, guns, what could go wrong?
Right. The police called him out to the scene specifically so that the could shoot him. This was a thrill kill 100%. What possible excuse could there be for this?

"Oh yeah we called him over to put down an injured cow, but when he shot it we thought he was shooting at us derp".

These two Gomer Pyle impersonators shot the man for the rush of killing.
 
A rancher in Idaho was called out (by police dispatch) to put down his Angus bull after it was involved in a car accident. He ended up getting shot to death by two deputies while his wife stood by.

A closer look at the Yantis shooting investigation | KTVB.COM

They just decided this now? I think that incident was over a year ago!!

I don't know whether there's enough to get a criminal conviction on those cops but they were both ****ing idiots and should be banned from the state. Send them to LA or NYC or anywhere that they don't have to deal with self sufficient people. They obviously can't handle that.
 
Let's see, night time, deputies called to "man with a gun", cops arrive, man does not put down rifle: what could go wrong?

They weren't called to a "man with a gun" call. They were called to a "bull hit by a car and the owner has been called to take care of it" call.
 
I can message you my name, address, and cell number if you would like to have a face to face on the issue.

Moderator's Warning:
Knock it off.
 
again he had a gun pointed at something when the police pulled up.
that was pretty stupid.

they cannot read the minds of other people. it also depends on which way they were coming.
if it was on the road then the gun could have been pointed at them.

evidently shots were fired. this guy was dumb and unfortunately he paid for it like others do for being stupid.

Yeah wrong.
He did not have a gun pointed at something when the police "pulled up".

they were ALREADY ON THE SCENE.. and the rancher was not at the scene. The rancher WAS CALLED BY POLICE TO COME DEAL WITH HIS BULL. They ASKED him to come down and euthanize his bull. The police deputies had already been on the scene shooting it and were unable to kill it.

the rancher walked up to the bull to euthanize it after being CALLED BY POLICE.

The guy was not dumb.. he was following what he WAS CALLED TO DO BY DISPATCH.

He was in the act of killing the bull.. AS HE WAS ASKED TO DO.. when one deputy grabbed him while he had his finger on the trigger.

sorry but you are making up a story that didn;t exist. they police did not "have to guess his mind".. he was called by dispatch to come down and put his bull down. He arrived with police officers on the scene.. discussed with them and he walked up to the bull to put it down as asked.
 
They just decided this now? I think that incident was over a year ago!!

I don't know whether there's enough to get a criminal conviction on those cops but they were both ****ing idiots and should be banned from the state. Send them to LA or NYC or anywhere that they don't have to deal with self sufficient people. They obviously can't handle that.

Yes.. it took a year or so. I think the community figures it was to let the community calm down and that letting these guys off was a forgone conclusion from the police. There is a lot that simply doesn't make sense.

One of the officers had been fired from another county because of an excessive force complaint.. (he was rough with an elderly man in a traffic stop apparently). So there is a real question as whether this fellow had the temperament for the job from the get go.

Then there is the why would you grab a guy about to fire a firearm into a bull on the ground. Hello.. what do you expect to happen when you grab a guy about to pull the trigger. Gee you think it could cause them to fire it incorrectly or lose balance etc?
then there is the fact that Yantis's firearm was a bolt action .204. A bolt action .204. Well.. if he HAD fired at the deputy.. (which we know did not happen.. cause thought the deputy claimed he was "felt a pain in his chest".. and felt it "go by"..) the bullet from the rifle was found on the asphalt and had Yantis's blood on it. Well.. if he was trying to continue to kill the deputy after shooting him once.. he would have had to have been trying to jack another round in the chamber.

And lastly.. and here is the real BS. if you and I had done the exact same.. we would be sitting waiting for trial. Because the burden of proof in a defensive shooting for citizens is on the person claiming self defense. YOU HAVE TO PROVE beyond a reasonable doubt that you reasonably acted in defense of imminent threat of death or grave bodily harm.

Instead.. the Attorney General presumed the innocence of the police.. which is NOT how they handle self defense cases for the rest of the population.
 
Yeah wrong.
He did not have a gun pointed at something when the police "pulled up".

they were ALREADY ON THE SCENE.. and the rancher was not at the scene. The rancher WAS CALLED BY POLICE TO COME DEAL WITH HIS BULL. They ASKED him to come down and euthanize his bull. The police deputies had already been on the scene shooting it and were unable to kill it.

the rancher walked up to the bull to euthanize it after being CALLED BY POLICE.

The guy was not dumb.. he was following what he WAS CALLED TO DO BY DISPATCH.

He was in the act of killing the bull.. AS HE WAS ASKED TO DO.. when one deputy grabbed him while he had his finger on the trigger.

sorry but you are making up a story that didn;t exist. they police did not "have to guess his mind".. he was called by dispatch to come down and put his bull down. He arrived with police officers on the scene.. discussed with them and he walked up to the bull to put it down as asked.
Exactly. These cops, like many cops, are psychopaths who kill people for the thrill of it.
 
Exactly. These cops, like many cops, are psychopaths who kill people for the thrill of it.

Yeah.. this is not a "thrill killing"..

this is bad judgment and irrational panic
 
again he had a gun pointed at something when the police pulled up.
that was pretty stupid.

they cannot read the minds of other people. it also depends on which way they were coming.
if it was on the road then the gun could have been pointed at them.

evidently shots were fired. this guy was dumb and unfortunately he paid for it like others do for being stupid.

Your the guy who claims police have to listen to whatever the dispatch says. So if the dispatch called the citizen to shoot his own bull... Shouldn't the cops have let him? The almighty dispatch claimed it so...
 
Your the guy who claims police have to listen to whatever the dispatch says. So if the dispatch called the citizen to shoot his own bull... Shouldn't the cops have let him? The almighty dispatch claimed it so...

The story in the op was not put together correctly.
It was very much jumbled together.

I have never said that. What I have said is that police get code calls from dispatch.
That is usually all they have to goon before they arrive.

In this case something went wrong.

The guy acted in a strange manner or he made a move with the gun that one of the officers felt was threatening.
The one cop said he was shooting from the hip with his rifle. It was pointed in an officers direction or close enough.

They haven't released all the information.
 
I hope the family sued the deputies in their individual capacity and the family wins.
 
I hope the family sued the deputies in their individual capacity and the family wins.

It looks like they are suing the county for 500,000 for wrongful death. I doubt they could sue the deputies individually because there is no money there.. and not many lawyers are going to take it on contingency.
 
When there is a police shooting the victim is more likely to be white than black. You act this is unusual but it's not.


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That's because the majority of people committing crimes are white.
 
It looks like they are suing the county for 500,000 for wrongful death. I doubt they could sue the deputies individually because there is no money there.. and not many lawyers are going to take it on contingency.

You sue their employer and them, and that creates a conflict between the two defendants. I always recommend that if there is a good faith argument for doing it. sometimes causes the city or county to hang the cops out to dry and then they flip on the city or county
 
They just decided this now? I think that incident was over a year ago!!

I don't know whether there's enough to get a criminal conviction on those cops but they were both ****ing idiots and should be banned from the state. Send them to LA or NYC or anywhere that they don't have to deal with self sufficient people. They obviously can't handle that.
Contrary to urban stereotypes, those of us in or near large cities don't want these cowboys either!

Please keep them by you.

Thanks! ;)
 
That's because the majority of people committing crimes are white.
That very well may be true but from what i understand the number of whites being killed compared to blacks being killed is statisicaly dispoporinate.

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That very well may be true but from what i understand the number of whites being killed compared to blacks being killed is statisicaly dispoporinate.

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You are correct.
 
again this is what happens when you pull a gun and shoot at police.
when will people friggen learn.

you point a gun at someone anyone and you can end up getting shot. stupid.

Does that rule also apply to jumpy police officers? This is nuts ... police can't keep shooting people in murky-at-best circumstances and getting away with it.
 
Does that rule also apply to jumpy police officers? This is nuts ... police can't keep shooting people in murky-at-best circumstances and getting away with it.
I would like to see the testimony from all 3 of them and other witnesses if any before passing judgement on this incident but i certainly agree that police need to be held accountable when they screw up.

One of the problems i have with the process is that they are employees of the justice system. This creates the apperance of a conflict of interest and when you combine that with many of these cases being closed hearings, we cant really tell if they are getting prferential treatment.

There needs to be a way to set up a review and trial system that is independent from ties to the police community and there needs to be more transparency surrounding the details. I just dont know how either is possible.

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You sue their employer and them, and that creates a conflict between the two defendants. I always recommend that if there is a good faith argument for doing it. sometimes causes the city or county to hang the cops out to dry and then they flip on the city or county

Hmmm.. interesting. Never figured it that way. I wonder what the cops could do to flip on the county? Well.. wait a minute. One of the deputies had been fired from another police department for excessive force. Its possible the other deputy may be able to shift some blame if he knows that the department knew the guy was bad news but hired him and retained him anyway.
 
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