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Violent Arrest of Teacher Caught on Video; Officers Face Investigation

clownboy said:
Sure I will. Doesn't change my opinion of the incident as we saw it. The Chief is in lawsuit (and BLM) avoidance mode and the officer has been thrown under the bus.
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:lamo

So the chief of police, the one responsible for the officer's conduct, said the officers actions were wrong. But you think he did nothing wrong. By the way, if you're in lawsuit avoidance mode you DON'T admit fault. Everyone with a modicum of common sense knows this.

Sometimes there are just no words to accurately describe levels of stupid.
 
clownboy said:
He did indeed. Wait a minute, let me just do X first and other delaying tactics don't work and are just that - stalling. The officer did nothing wrong and the lady's color has nothing to do with the incident.
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Right, comply IMMEDIATELY or get a beat down. Of course that's a rational standard outside a f'ing police state.... :roll:
 
JasperL said:
Right, comply IMMEDIATELY or get a beat down. Of course that's a rational standard outside a f'ing police state.... :roll:
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My favorite part is where he said the police chief was in lawsuit avoidance mode by admitting his officer was wrong.

If clownboy was an attorney, I'd LOVE for him to represent the person I would sue.
 
Slyfox696 said:
My favorite part is where he said the police chief was in lawsuit avoidance mode by admitting his officer was wrong.

If clownboy was an attorney, I'd LOVE for him to represent the person I would sue.
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LOL, true. After that, the department has figuratively got the checkbook out, the check signed and dated, and the debate is over how many zeros. :lamo
 
MaggieD said:
He didn't body slam her, but he threw her down, in my opinion. Definitely a takedown.

"Ma'am, We are on camera. Right now, I'm giving you a traffic ticket for speeding. If you don't immediately put your feet in the car and close your door, I will put you under arrest. Let's just get this over with."

Now, if you say, "Wait a minute. He doesn't have enough to put her under arrest," then he certainly doesn't have enough to throw her to the ground. Physical force for a routine traffic stop should be the ZLAST resort. A 250# guy shouldn't be getting physical because a 100 pound lady is recalcitrant.

Where's his body camera?
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She was obviously resisting heavily, and obviously quite strong. She brought this on herself. End of story.
 
countryboy said:
She was obviously resisting heavily, and obviously quite strong. She brought this on herself. End of story.
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The chief of police says you are very wrong.
 
JasperL said:
Right, comply IMMEDIATELY or get a beat down. Of course that's a rational standard outside a f'ing police state.... :roll:
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The supposed "beat down" didn't take place until after he finally got her out of the car and she threw a punch.
 
countryboy said:
She was obviously resisting heavily, and obviously quite strong. She brought this on herself. End of story.
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clownboy said:
The supposed "beat down" didn't take place until after he finally got her out of the car and she threw a punch.
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What dimension are you boys living in?
 
Thoreau72 said:
And the cops wonder why nobody loves them....:doh
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they know, but really, what can the good cops do to weed out the crappy ones


[insert 'teacher' for 'cop' and observe the same frustration]
 
clownboy said:
The supposed "beat down" didn't take place until after he finally got her out of the car and she threw a punch.
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It's entertaining in a way debating this with someone so wrong, but at this point I'll bow out. Bottom line is if you watch the video and see nothing wrong with how it was handled, there is nothing anyone can say to change your mind, and I guess we should all just be thankful you don't carry a badge, or worse, supervise others who do. :peace
 
justabubba said:
they know, but really, what can the good cops do to weed out the crappy ones


[insert 'teacher' for 'cop' and observe the same frustration]
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It comes down to administration.

Administration could weed these cops out.. if they were willing to listen to the good cops.

But here is the situation.

1. If you have concerns about a fellow officer and bring them up.. administration won;t listen.. or they do something that ends up coming back onto the whistleblower. Now the whistleblowing officer has to wonder if the other police officers in the force will back him up.

2. Often there is no one willing or able to replace a bad police officer. Budgets and departments are already stretched. so getting rid of the questionable cop just means more work for everyone else. And the decision is made that a "questionable" cop on the job is better than no cop on the job.

Its a culture problem within the police.

(substitute teacher for cop and you have the same issue.).
 
JasperL said:
It's entertaining in a way debating this with someone so wrong, but at this point I'll bow out. Bottom line is if you watch the video and see nothing wrong with how it was handled, there is nothing anyone can say to change your mind, and I guess we should all just be thankful you don't carry a badge, or worse, supervise others who do. :peace
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Yeah.. I don't know how anyone watching that video could objectively believe that the police handled that situation appropriately.

And the "stop resisting".

That is such a load of crap. When a person is being yanked on, of course they are going to resist. Its a normal reaction.

I would like to take these guys who make these claims about "not resisting".. tell them "don't resist" out and suddenly grab then and go to throw them. You will see them "resist". In medical terms its called "protective extension"..

Your body reacts to protect itself from being hurt. Being yanked out of a car.. being pushed to the ground are all things that your body will resist instinctually.
 
Thoreau72 said:
Yes, Ace, yes. Nationwide the cops are somehow surprised that they have a bad reputation for sudden violence against unarmed citizens. They don't understand why they are being shot at in so many locations.

I understand it, and I'm a little bit surprised that they don't understand it.

I'm not defending the actions, neither theirs nor the civilians, but I do understand it. In another 10 years or so, you might understand it too.
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You do realize that what some call "sudden violence" is clearly provoked reaction due to lack of cooperation. We live in a world where cops have to be prepared for that lack of cooperation into active and potentially armed resistance. Why would you resist? You got court.


Sent from my grapefruit using smoke signals.
 
blackjack50 said:
You do realize that what some call "sudden violence" is clearly provoked reaction due to lack of cooperation. We live in a world where cops have to be prepared for that lack of cooperation into active and potentially armed resistance. Why would you resist? You got court.


Sent from my grapefruit using smoke signals.
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Listen.. if I suddenly screamed at you to lie down and then put my hands on you and pushed. You would in almost all likelihood "resist". Instinctually your body reacts to defend itself from attack/injury. That response will be greater if there is fear or pain because it takes training to "not resist".

Its why its easier to throw a newbie in Judo.. Give a slight push on the shoulders and immediately the person begins to lean forward into you to resist. Can't help it without training.
 
countryboy said:
It ain't liberal lala land. ;)
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Well actually.. you are living in liberal land.

Liberals.. by definition TRUST big daddy government.. (liberal government) and like conformity and compliance to the government.

Conservatives on the other hand, fear an overreaching government.. and believe the government should be responsible to the people and be held in check.

Hint: You might need to change your "lean".
 
blackjack50 said:
You do realize that what some call "sudden violence" is clearly provoked reaction due to lack of cooperation. We live in a world where cops have to be prepared for that lack of cooperation into active and potentially armed resistance. Why would you resist? You got court.
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I don't understand how you can believe instant compliance is a reasonable standard. Look at the video again and tell us how long he gave her to comply with the order to stand up? Zero seconds before he reached into the car to haul her out. He didn't give her a reasonable chance to "cooperate."
 
jaeger19 said:
Listen.. if I suddenly screamed at you to lie down and then put my hands on you and pushed. You would in almost all likelihood "resist". Instinctually your body reacts to defend itself from attack/injury. That response will be greater if there is fear or pain because it takes training to "not resist".

Its why its easier to throw a newbie in Judo.. Give a slight push on the shoulders and immediately the person begins to lean forward into you to resist. Can't help it without training.
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So you are a martial artist it sounds, and judo (mad props love judo myself...since my instructor teaches judo stand up for bjj), then you know they self defense comes from the brain first. Right? If you are an officer...and you are screaming at me to lie down? I can't see in any particular situation where my ass wouldn't be on my stomach when getting yelled at. Even if I'm in the right, I'm going to go to court. Not the morgue.

And hands on? Resistance? Again: you know it is a cop. You should know it is game over and you shouldn't resist. But then if this is a comm reaction, it isn't like the officer can just "let them go" when they resist.


Sent from my grapefruit using smoke signals.
 
blackjack50 said:
So you are a martial artist it sounds, and judo (mad props love judo myself...since my instructor teaches judo stand up for bjj), then you know they self defense comes from the brain first. Right? If you are an officer...and you are screaming at me to lie down? I can't see in any particular situation where my ass wouldn't be on my stomach when getting yelled at. Even if I'm in the right, I'm going to go to court. Not the morgue.

And hands on? Resistance? Again: you know it is a cop. You should know it is game over and you shouldn't resist. But then if this is a comm reaction, it isn't like the officer can just "let them go" when they resist.
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OK, she shouldn't resist. But the guy getting paid to handle this incident correctly shouldn't be pulling people out of their car without giving them a reasonable opportunity to comply with his request. The problem began with him, and the blame lies with him. Surely you see that when a 200lb or more man starts yanking a small woman out of her car for really doing nothing wrong, a NORMAL reaction is fear, and resistance.
 
jaeger19 said:
Well actually.. you are living in liberal land.

Liberals.. by definition TRUST big daddy government.. (liberal government) and like conformity and compliance to the government.

Conservatives on the other hand, fear an overreaching government.. and believe the government should be responsible to the people and be held in check.

Hint: You might need to change your "lean".
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You literally haven't a clue.
 
countryboy said:
You literally haven't a clue.
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I kind of agree. There is a very strong authoritarian element in the 'conservative' ranks, and obeying authority without question is sort of the defining trait.
 
Slyfox696 said:
If your level of intelligence is not sufficient enough to walk you to the obvious conclusion here, then no words of mine can help.
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What, that the chief of police for the People's Republic of Austin is infallible?
 
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