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Surprising New Evidence Shows Bias in Police Use of Force but Not in Shootings

BrewerBob said:
I have always thought the movement should focus more on police brutality and harassment than police shootings. Given the number of blacks in the country there really are very few shootings whereas nearly every black person has been or knows someone who has been harassed by the cops.
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Urban legend. I've gotta hand it to leaders of the African-American community, they are quite persistent in this indoctrination of African-Americans. The question being: why are leaders of African-American communities so persistent in indoctrinating others in their community that cops are such savages?
 
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tres borrachos said:
Yes, I know all about redlining. It's against the law.

None of any of that has to do with the fact that cops harass white people too. Depending on your definition of "harassment". My son and 2 friends were pulled over recently and the car was searched because they suspected they had alcohol (they didn't). And in the opinions of my son and his friends, the cop harassed them for no reason. Should I assume they are lying because it never happens to white people? Should they assume all white people under the age of 19 will have the same problem.
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I never stated they did not, but it is clear that Blacks are for more often the subject of this from Police.
 
Some years ago I was riding around with friends when Chicago police pulled us over because the car matched the description of a stolen car. I had a switchblade knife on me which like an idiot I stuffed under my seat. The cops pulled us out of the car and found the blade while searching. One cop asked who's knife it was and admitted that it was mine. I was ready to go to jail. the cop that found the knife gave it to a squad commander that showed up, and this is no joke, the commander said "I'm going to take this knife home and give it to my kid to play with" then put the knife in his pocket. Then they let us all go. I've no doubt that if I had been black that they would of hauled me in.
 
Erod said:
Perhaps there is a substantial difference in risk in the black community for cops?

The black community doesn't seem to want to accept any responsibility for this "issue". There's a reason cops are a lot edgier in their neighborhoods, and for good reason.
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My BIL retired not long ago after 25 years as a cop in the Bronx. I heard enough stories to know what a cesspool that is. I've also driven through it enough to know what a cesspool it is. I think there is a responsibility on the black leaders to admit some culpability, but they refuse to, and they are allowed to get away with it.
 
tres borrachos said:
I'm white, and I know quite a few people who have been harassed by cops, and that includes my white husband, my white son, my white son's friends, my white nephew, and some white friends. Cop "harassment" isn't solely a black issue.
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No, certainly not solely. They put my cousin with Down's syndrome into the emergency room after a beat down. And police brutality in and of itself should be enough to piss people off. After all, once police are harassing, beating, or even killing all ethnicities equally, it isn't like THAT is acceptable either.
 
tres borrachos said:
My BIL retired not long ago after 25 years as a cop in the Bronx. I heard enough stories to know what a cesspool that is. I've also driven through it enough to know what a cesspool it is. I think there is a responsibility on the black leaders to admit some culpability, but they refuse to, and they are allowed to get away with it.
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Your country had the answers and issues addressed in the Kerner Commission Report. Little was done.
Federal-State and Municipal polices were creating the Ghettos and this is still ongoing.

1967 riots - Housing- So look at housing alone- no other issue within the Black community.
Redlining was still ongoing and the Govt did not stop it.
The best way for a person-family to create wealth was thru home ownership.

George Romney tried in 72 to address the issues of Cities with segregationist housing policies.
This was turned off by Nixon.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/17/opinion/sunday/housing-apartheid-american-style.html

George Romney served as secretary of Housing and Urban Development under Richard Nixon. He set out to dismantle segregation and what he described as a “high income white noose” formed by the suburbs that surrounded black inner cities. Under his Open Communities initiative, he instructed HUD officials to reject applications for sewer and highway projects from cities and states with segregationist policies. He believed that ending residential segregation was “essential if we are going to keep our nation from being torn apart.”

As Nikole Hannah-Jones reported in a 2012 investigation for ProPublica, Nixon got wind of Romney’s plan and ordered John Ehrlichman, his domestic policy chief, to shut it down.
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Chap 4
Primary Document: National Advisory Commission on Civil Disorders (The Kerner Report), 1967

* Pervasive discrimination and segregation in employment, educa*tion and housing, which have resulted in the continuing exclu*sion of great numbers of Negroes from the benefits of economic progress.

* Black in-migration and white exodus, .which have produced the massive and growing concentrations of impoverished Negroes in our major cities, creating a growing crisis of deteriorating facilities and services and unmet human needs.

* The black ghettos where segregation and poverty converge on the young to destroy opportunity and enforce failure. Crime, drug addiction, dependency on welfare, and bitterness and resent*ment against society in general and white society in particular are the result.
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Chap 6
Within the cities, Negroes have been excluded from white residential areas through discriminatory practices. Just as sig*nificant is the withdrawal of white families from, or their refusal to enter, neighborhoods where Negroes are moving or already residing. About 20 percent of the urban population of the United States changes residence every year. The refusal of whites to move into "changing" areas when vacancies occur means that most vacancies eventually are occupied by Negroes.

The result, according to a recent study, is that in 1960 the average segregation index for 207 of the largest United States cities was 86.2. In other words, to create an unsegregated population distribution, an average of over 86 percent of all Negroes would have to change their place of residence within the city.
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Quazimodo said:
Education and respect for authority...but that seems so 50's. Blacks today are way to smart for that.
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Yeah, they can drink out of any damn water fountain they please.
 
JANFU said:
Your country had the answers and issues addressed in the Kerner Commission Report. Little was done.
Federal-State and Municipal polices were creating the Ghettos and this is still ongoing.

1967 riots - Housing- So look at housing alone- no other issue within the Black community.
Redlining was still ongoing and the Govt did not stop it.
The best way for a person-family to create wealth was thru home ownership.

George Romney tried in 72 to address the issues of Cities with segregationist housing policies.
This was turned off by Nixon.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/17/opinion/sunday/housing-apartheid-american-style.html



Chap 4
Primary Document: National Advisory Commission on Civil Disorders (The Kerner Report), 1967



Chap 6
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Why did you post all of this to me?
 
BrewerBob said:
No, certainly not solely. They put my cousin with Down's syndrome into the emergency room after a beat down. And police brutality in and of itself should be enough to piss people off. After all, once police are harassing, beating, or even killing all ethnicities equally, it isn't like THAT is acceptable either.
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There are bad policemen/women. Just like there are bad parents, teachers, dog walkers, and bosses. Have been since the days of Caesar. The overwhelming majority of the cops are not bad people, and I've been glad for their presence my entire life.
 
JANFU said:
Why not, was trying to have a discussion.
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Because I don't need a history on redlining considering I make my living in that space, and it doesn't have anything to do with the subject of the thread.
 
tres borrachos said:
Because I don't need a history on redlining considering I make my living in that space, and it doesn't have anything to do with the subject of the thread.
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IMHO it does.
I did not know that was what your work was.
 
tres borrachos said:
I'm white, and I know quite a few people who have been harassed by cops, and that includes my white husband, my white son, my white son's friends, my white nephew, and some white friends. Cop "harassment" isn't solely a black issue.
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One thing I like about the study is that it at least tries to quantify "harassment". Too often we we hear that someone was hassled when all that happened is that they were stopped and asked a couple of questions.
 
Lutherf said:
One thing I like about the study is that it at least tries to quantify "harassment". Too often we we hear that someone was hassled when all that happened is that they were stopped and asked a couple of questions.
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Yup, and that's exactly what I've heard described as "harassment" by people of both colors.

Cops and damned no matter what they do.
 
tres borrachos said:
There are bad policemen/women. Just like there are bad parents, teachers, dog walkers, and bosses. Have been since the days of Caesar. The overwhelming majority of the cops are not bad people, and I've been glad for their presence my entire life.
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The problem is too many of the so called good cops look the other way when it comes to the bad cops. If all those good cops stopped tolerating the bad cops instead of sticking to the blue code of silence it would be a whole other story.
 
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