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Man falsely connected to the shooting by Dallas police is now getting death threats

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danarhea said:
Yes, he took a rifle to the protest. He happens to be a member of the NRA, and wanted to show his strong support for the Second Amendment. How could he have known that snipers were about to fire on police officers? As soon as the incident began, he immediately turned his rifle over to police. Soon after, after finding out that he was one of the most wanted men in the nation, he immediately turned himself over to police, who cleared him of any involvement in the attack, after a thorough investigation. However, since then, he has received thousands of death threats.

I would like to note that Dallas PD did call him a man of interest, and rightly so. Then they cleared him after an investigation. So, on that note, I wouldn't say falsely accused. Dallas PD did what they were supposed to do. Investigate.

Oh yea. One more thing. He happens to be black. This should be a story of "Don't rush to judgement without knowing all the facts". Things aren't always as they seem to some people.

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So, he was walking in a protest march carrying a rifle and at the end of the march multiple people were murdered, they had every right to question him. He was cleared and is free, enough said.
 
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JANFU said:
You have a vivid imagination.
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That's perfectly realistic.
 
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Deuce said:
Jesus Christ how far off the gun nut deep end do you have to believe to think this would have made things better and not way, way worse?
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How do you think it would make things worse?
 
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apdst said:
How do you think it would make things worse?
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How do you not?

So, hundreds of armed civilians are present at a high-tension protest. Since real life isn't a first-person shooter video game, the "bad guys" and "good guys" aren't distinguishable by floating red and green triangles above their respective heads. Police can't tell one from the other, nor can civilians. "Bad guy" (goddamnit why do you folks always talk in children's cartoon terms?) opens fire at an officer from a location not immediately known. Everyone jumps, civilians and police alike. The "exercising 2nd amendment rights" crowd starts drawing their weapons, looking around for the shooter. Police are doing the same, only now literally hundreds of people have weapons drawn. Then, the radio call.

Officer down.

What the **** do you think is going to happen next? "Down the shooter within seconds?" Jesus Christ. The absolute worst thing that could happen then is for multiple "good guys" to now open fire into a crowd of civilians. What the hell do you think police officers do when they 1) have an officer down and 2) see people firing into crowds of civilians. And additional shots are probably going in the direction of the police, from both "good" and "bad" shooters. The next wave of "good" shooters, what are they doing? They see a bunch of civilians (GOOD? BAD?) firing at other civilians (GOOD? BAD?) What do they do?

A goddamned bloodbath, that's what happens. Bullets and stampedes.
 
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Deuce said:
How do you not?

So, hundreds of armed civilians are present at a high-tension protest. Since real life isn't a first-person shooter video game, the "bad guys" and "good guys" aren't distinguishable by floating red and green triangles above their respective heads. Police can't tell one from the other, nor can civilians. "Bad guy" (goddamnit why do you folks always talk in children's cartoon terms?) opens fire at an officer from a location not immediately known. Everyone jumps, civilians and police alike. The "exercising 2nd amendment rights" crowd starts drawing their weapons, looking around for the shooter. Police are doing the same, only now literally hundreds of people have weapons drawn. Then, the radio call.

Officer down.

What the **** do you think is going to happen next? "Down the shooter within seconds?" Jesus Christ. The absolute worst thing that could happen then is for multiple "good guys" to now open fire into a crowd of civilians. What the hell do you think police officers do when they 1) have an officer down and 2) see people firing into crowds of civilians. And additional shots are probably going in the direction of the police, from both "good" and "bad" shooters. The next wave of "good" shooters, what are they doing? They see a bunch of civilians (GOOD? BAD?) firing at other civilians (GOOD? BAD?) What do they do?

A goddamned bloodbath, that's what happens. Bullets and stampedes.
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That's a huge over-reaction. The presence of armed citizens would have probably deterred the shooter.
 
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apdst said:
That's a huge over-reaction. The presence of armed citizens would have probably deterred the shooter.
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That's a ridiculous fantasy that spits in the face of the empirical evidence.
 
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Absentglare said:
That's a ridiculous fantasy that spits in the face of the empirical evidence.
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Either she knew what she was doing is illegal, or she's too stupid to be Secretary of State, much less President.
 
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apdst said:
That's a huge over-reaction. The presence of armed citizens would have probably deterred the shooter.
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If the presence of armed police officers didn't, what on earth makes you think citizens would?


apdst said:
Either she knew what she was doing is illegal, or she's too stupid to be Secretary of State, much less President.
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Damn you, multi-tab browsers!
 
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apdst said:
That's a huge over-reaction. The presence of armed citizens would have probably deterred the shooter.
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Probably would not have, but that's beside the point. The Constitution says they can be armed. That's the end of any discussion on the Second Amendment. We can only hope people do not act stupidly with their weapons. This man did the right thing by turning himself and his gun in, and he was cleared. The Dallas PD also did the right thing by seeking out a man who was armed for questioning. In the end, nobody acted stupidly, and it turned out well for both the man and the police. In a horrific crime scenario like this one, we should all do everything we can to make the job for the cops as easy as possible, within reason.
 
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The killer was equipped with bulletproof vest - he was there for a showdown - no way that ordinary armed citizens would have been able to overcome him easily. Ordinary armed citizens don't have the expertise to take down a guy with body armor, and who had apparently been preparing for combat.

It's worth noting that active shooter situations happen in the US more than in other developed countries. Americans need to look at why they have more of these situations, and make some difficult decisions.
 
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Deuce said:
If the presence of armed police officers didn't, what on earth makes you think citizens would?




Damn you, multi-tab browsers!
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It's called, "superior firepower". Do you understand the concept of, "fire and maneuver"? Johnson had obviously reconed the kill zone. He had already selected firing positions, based on his guess of how the police would react when he started firing and moved from one position to the next, ending up in the ground floor, where he hoped to make his escape in the mayhem. He obviously chose a place where he would be less likely to be observed and even less likely to be engaged with counter fire. Had there been friendly elements that he believed would not only observe his position, but also engage him with counter fire it could have deterred him from attacking at all. You can bet your ass that the police departments around the country won't make the same mistake, twice. The next time there's a rally, the area will be observed from every possible angle, possible firing positions will be occupied, or at least be under observation where counter fire can be brought to bear. Next time, there will be, or should be, massive fire superority in the projected kill zone, so as to kill, or supress a shooter within 15 seconds of the first round being fired.
 
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sanman said:
The killer was equipped with bulletproof vest - he was there for a showdown - no way that ordinary armed citizens would have been able to overcome him easily. Ordinary armed citizens don't have the expertise to take down a guy with body armor, and who had apparently been preparing for combat.

It's worth noting that active shooter situations happen in the US more than in other developed countries. Americans need to look at why they have more of these situations, and make some difficult decisions.
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Body armor only protects the torso. The legs, arms, neck and head are totally exposed. In a situation like this a kill shot wouldn't be necessary. A wounding shot (legs, feet, hands, arms) would suffice. Taking away his ability to engage is all that is necessary.
 
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apdst said:
Body armor only protects the torso. The legs, arms, neck and head are totally exposed. In a situation like this a kill shot wouldn't be necessary. A wounding shot (legs, feet, hands, arms) would suffice. Taking away his ability to engage is all that is necessary.
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I like the robot with explosives better. LOL.
 
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danarhea said:
I like the robot with explosives better. LOL.
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The robot wasn't deployed until 11 people got shot.
 
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Lutherf said:
This is one of the inherent dangers of one of the practices used in the "open carry" movement. They, like the BLM protesters, set themselves up for unsavory characters to use lawful and positive events for negative (and possibly dangerous) purposes.

Yes, recognition of the 2A and the lawful carrying of firearms is important but the way you accomplish that is through education and familiarization, not "in your face" acts of agitation.

Firearms are tools and like hammers and screwdrivers different weapon types have different uses. Handguns, for example, are lightweight, short range weapons. Such a weapon is practical for daily carry due to its weight and size. It is also adequate to serve a defensive purpose in most close quarters situations such as those most likely to be encountered in most localities across the country. A rifle is larger and heavier. It's much less convenient to carry around. While some carbines (rifles with a shortened barrel) are perfectly serviceable in close quarters they really are designed to be used at longer ranges. From a practical standpoint it's just a pain in the ass to sit down for a burger while finding a good place to stash your rifle. For that reason we generally don't see rifles in more urban areas unless the need for additional range outweighs the inconvenience factor of lugging the thing around.

When people see someone with a pistol on their hip that's a fairly common sight. Cops are seen this way all the time and people have a pretty decent understanding of what a pistol is and does. Seeing it on someone not in uniform might cause concern but it probably won't induce panic. Rifles, on the other hand, have taken on a whole mystique due to Hollywood and hyperventilating politicians. People see rifles as some kind of superweapon and they often have no concept of their actual capabilities or utility. For that reason open carry of a rifle often generates a heightened level of concern or outright panic in people. Furthermore, there is a lot of likely intentional misinformation regarding rifles out there. This is something I picked up from a "diary" on another site today:..

In light of what happened in all these recent shootings we are sure to see more "open carry" groups doing their thing and more "gun control" groups doing their thing. If we want to avoid another Dallas we need everyone to be smart about what they choose to do and how they do it. Being smart means both being informed and acting responsibly. We DO NOT need a massive open carry parade. We DO NOT need a social media barrage telling everyone how dangerous BLM protests are. We don't need presidents, senators and governors telling us how messed up we are as a country and how only they can save us from ourselves. What we need is people coming together to express their concerns in a RESPECTFUL manner and we need to LISTEN and UNDERSTAND both sides. We need to be considerate of the concerns each side has and strive to find ways to accommodate and/or assuage those concerns.

What happened in Dallas is, obviously, totally unacceptable and we can't rely on elected officials to fix the reasons it happened. That needs to come from us.
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Good post, Lutherf and I agree with a lot of what you said. :thumbs:

But...if screwdrivers and hammers are weapons...then why don't they sell them at gun stores? And why don't they sell guns and ammo at HomeDepot? Pro-gun people like to play semantics when it comes to assault weapon vs assault rifle....so why not a tool vs weapon?

Do people treat their firearms with the same care and respect as they do a screwdriver? I hope not because most people leave it laying around or drop it on the floor or forget they left it. Do you think people should have back ground checks and safety training to use a screwdriver and a hammer? Do you think people would get concerned if they saw someone with a screwdriver in their pocket as compared to a AR-15 over their shoulder?

Treating a firearm as something less threatening like a screwdriver instead of a serious weapon increases the risk of negligence and 'screwy' behavior....such as that guy parading around in a crowd with a semi-automatic rifle just to show off or intimidate ..or whatever. That guy wasn't treating his firearm like a weapon, imo...he was treating like a fashion accessory to go with his camouflage t-shirt. That's the new gun culture...and it could've gotten that guy killed ...and now he's getting death threats. I wonder if he thinks his cosplay was worth it?
 
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PirateMk1 said:
The Dallas PD need to get their butts on the television and clear this mans name. He did exactly as a law abiding citizen should do. They need help him out.
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Perhaps so but I'm not sure taking a rifle to a protest is not "as a law abiding citizen should do." Can do, yes. should do, probably not.
 
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fmw said:
Perhaps so but I'm not sure taking a rifle to a protest is not "as a law abiding citizen should do." Can do, yes. should do, probably not.
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It is Texas you know....;)
 
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O I enjoy you Americans and your crazy gun laws, and the great shooting spectacles you put on for the world to see, keep it up as know you will, your second amendment will see to that
 
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The state should not be allowed to kill people! >:s >:s >:S >:S >:S >:S >:S >:S >:S >:S >:S >:S >:S >:S >:s >:s >:s >:s >:S >:S >:s >:s >:s >:s >:s >:s >:s
 
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MaggieD said:
He was on video being arrested. Most gentle with them they were.

Unfortunate. He did nothing wrong. Was it SMART to bring a rifle to a peaceful demonstration? Uh, no. Looked like he was wearing a bullet proof vest as well. Not sure about that. What's legal and what's prudent are often two very different things.
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Do you hold the same opinion when thousands of rifle toting men and women walk through the street 'peacefully' with their rifles?
 
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Hatuey said:
Do you hold the same opinion when thousands of rifle toting men and women walk through the street 'peacefully' with their rifles?
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Not if they're in a parade.
 
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MaggieD said:
Not if they're in a parade.
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.... What is the difference between a peaceful second amendment rally where thousands hold up guns, and a rally where a few peaceful citizens exercise their right to bear arms in the same way?
 
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Hatuey said:
.... What is the difference between a peaceful second amendment rally where thousands hold up guns, and a rally where a few peaceful citizens exercise their right to bear arms in the same way?
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A peaceful second amendment rally is different, isnt it? If you dont agree, you are part of the problem.

Mr. Hat. Did you see the guy? Bulletproof vest, or sure looked like one, camo pants. When he was asked to go face down on the pavement, he'd already given his rifle to the nearest cop. Smart young man.
 
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MaggieD said:
A peaceful second amendment rally is different, isnt it?
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Show how.
 
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Hatuey said:
Show how.
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If you dont understand the difference, I cant help you. I dont know anything about you, obviously, but I sincerely hope you are not raising any young men to adulthood. They may not make it.
 
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