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Donald Trump praises Saddam Hussein for killing terrorists

Hatuey said:
Trump's lines aren't critical of the party line. They're inconsistent with reality. See:

- Building walls and making other countries pay for them
- Banning demographics from entering the US
- Having his job (presumably as a steelworker) be stolen by an immigrant
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You're jumping from one argument to another - the point was that it's by no means the first time Trump's views are different from long-held party views. That's part of his appeal - it's why Jeb & Co were nowhere in the polls compared to Trump, in spite of spending far more.
 
Trump is right. When it comes to comparing Saddam to ISIS, Saddam is the good guy.
 
sanman said:
Typical Godwinisms from the Left. Nowhere has Trump praised Stalin, Pol Pot, Hitler. Wasn't your precious Democrat FDR able to work with Stalin? The Carter regime and its catspaw Zbigniew Brzezinski notoriously supported Pol Pot to undermine Vietnam. Denial ain't just a river in Egypt.
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I never said he did praise Stalin, Pol Pot, or Hitler. I said he could, and I am freakin' right on that. After all, Trump DID praise North Korea's dictator for wiping out his rivals.

Reading is fundamental.
 
Aunt Spiker said:
I don't get what the big deal is on this one.

Bad guys can kill bad people . . . and good guys sometimes don't do anything. A various versions thereof.

What people should really be more bothered by is his assertion Obama hasn't done anything - focusing on the point might actually produce interesting discussions on our actual efforts against therrorism and where we stand. But instead, as usual, people who don't like Trump don't ever want to take the time to talk about the things he's REALLY saying.
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Obama did spend 500 million dollars to train 4 freedom fighters on how to give their equipment and money to terrorists. Obama is essentially funding terrorists and offering them aid and comfort.

U.S. Military Airdropping Equipment to Terrorists.
 
Hatuey said:
Trump's lines aren't critical of the party line. They're inconsistent with reality. See:

- Building walls and making other countries pay for them
- Banning demographics from entering the US
- Having his job (presumably as a steelworker) be stolen by an immigrant
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But if you consider the democrats to be "plan B", then:

The borders will remain open.
Persons from Islamic states will enter the USA with no back ground checks and no desire of assimilation.
Multinational corporations will continue to play off "overpaid" US workers against low pay foreign workers.

Plan B had 8 years to do something and hasn't.

If you are in favor of this, fine. Vote for the problem to continue.
 
Renae said:
More sad proof the GOP has gone to ****ing ****.
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Trump is managing to undo the work of two very different generations of Republicans. On one hand, he is undoing the work of Republicans who fought for civil rights throughout the 50s and 60s. He continues to post racist propaganda from his preferred social media website (twitter).

On the other hand, he is undoing the work of the Bush administration. Though I may not agree with the latter as much, I can recognize that they - in spite of their failings - had the best interest of the country at hand and -- legitimately -- thought Saddam to be a terrible person who needed to be removed from power.

We are not Germany, we are not Greece. The rise of an alt-right population in this country will not be met kindly by people whose families suffered at the hand of discriminatory policies or whose families fought to end those policies.

Likewise, this latest gaffe by Trump will not be met kindly by people who went to Iraq and lot limbs or those who lost family members over there. I may not agree with the reasons they went to war, but I don't doubt that they were genuine in their belief that Saddam needed to be taken out.

We are seeing the rise of an isolationist far right with a few ideas they have borrowed from the left. We are closer to fascism than we think and it comes under the belief that America is no longer 'great'.
 
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chuckiechan said:
But if you consider the democrats to be "plan B", then:

The borders will remain open.
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Our borders aren't open. That doesn't mean that we can build a wall and make another country and put people in it.

Persons from Islamic states will enter the USA with no back ground checks and no desire of assimilation.
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That is so absurdly false I don't feel the need to debunk it.

Multinational corporations will continue to play off "overpaid" US workers against low pay foreign workers.
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Protectionism is not the solution to free market problems. You aren't providing a real argument.

Plan B had 8 years to do something and hasn't. If you are in favor of this, fine. Vote for the problem to continue.
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Lmao, Trump is the problem with the US. He panders to low information voters who display the same ignorance you have.
 
reinoe said:
Obama did spend 500 million dollars to train 4 freedom fighters on how to give their equipment and money to terrorists. Obama is essentially funding terrorists and offering them aid and comfort.

U.S. Military Airdropping Equipment to Terrorists.
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And that's the type of thing that should really come up in response to Trump - because it would then be brought back around to "What WOULD you do, Trump?" . . . that type of thing.
 
Aunt Spiker said:
Your snippet has to do with Saddam and al-Qaeda RE 9/11.

What's the relevance, here? It's an interesting topic but doesn't really go in to what Trump said.
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The narrative by the Bush administration and the GOP before the Iraq war actually began was that Saddam was in cahoots with terrorists.

Trump is - in short - undermining their entire argument for justifying the Iraq war both before and after. More importantly, he is de-legitimizing the party's position for over a decade by saying that Saddam actually opposed terrorism and he did it well.

Is this really that complicated?
 
Andalublue said:
I think the main conclusion to draw from this is that a President Trump would ramp up extra-judicial killings. Suggesting that the good thing about Hussein was his habit of dispensing with legal process when he felt like it. Let's not forget, it wasn't only terrorists he did this with. It was also meted out on political opponents who never engaged in any violent activity. Trump says, "Hussein was a bad guy, right? He was a bad guy." Anyone else struck by how mild a rebuke that sounded? What followed shows us that Trump was really a bit of a fan.
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Because we don't do that a thousand times over with drone strikes...
 
Hatuey said:
The narrative by the Bush administration and the GOP before the Iraq war actually began was that Saddam was in cahoots with terrorists.

Trump is - in short - undermining their entire argument for justifying the Iraq war both before and after. More importantly, he is de-legitimizing the party's position for over a decade by saying that Saddam actually opposed terrorism and he did it well.

Is this really that complicated?
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Because Trump is such a Republican at heart.

They only wanted him as their running candidate because they knew their real politicians couldn't compete against Hillary and Trump (3rd party).

He's not going to uphold any narrative other than his own rambling one. This isn't new. This is Trump.
 
Aunt Spiker said:
Because Trump is such a Republican at heart.

They only wanted him as their running candidate because they knew their real politicians couldn't compete against Hillary and Trump (3rd party).
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Trump can't compete against Hillary alone either. The GOP never really had a chance against somebody who had nearly 40 years of experience running campaigns and learned from the best ground game campaign of the 20th and 21st centuries (Obama's 2008 campaign).

They had better options, they just didn't have a chance. Trump is both the worst option, and one that will lead them to defeat.

He's not going to uphold any narrative other than his own rambling one. This isn't new. This is Trump.
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That's kind of the point of the thread.
 
Hatuey said:
Trump is managing to undo the work of two very different generations of Republicans. On one hand, he is undoing the work of Republicans who fought for civil rights throughout the 50s and 60s. He continues to post racist propaganda from his preferred social media website (twitter).

On the other hand, he is undoing the work of the Bush administration. Though I may not agree with the latter as much, I can recognize that they - in spite of their failings - had the best interest of the country at hand and -- legitimately -- thought Saddam to be a terrible person who needed to be removed from power.

We are not Germany, we are not Greece. The rise of an alt-right population in this country will not be met kindly by people whose families suffered at the hand of discriminatory policies or whose families fought to end those policies.

Likewise, this latest gaffe by Trump will not be met kindly by people who went to Iraq and lot limbs or those who lost family members over there. I may not agree with the reasons they went to war, but I don't doubt that they were genuine in their belief that Saddam needed to be taken out.

We are seeing the rise of an isolationist far right with a few ideas they have borrowed from the left. We are closer to fascism than we think and it comes under the belief that America is no longer 'great'.
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If on line one you are talking about the star - no one saw that as racially motivated except people who were grasping at straws. It was a symbol and could just as easily have been a circle or a square or hey even an American Flag.
 
chuckiechan said:
Trump pointed out an unpleasant truth:

Middle east dictators keep order by the use of brutal enforcement.
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Welcome to the left. We've been here since before the 2003 Iraq invasion. BTW... you're about a decade an a half too late coming to this conclusion but... better late than never?
 
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sanman said:
Typical Godwinisms from the Left. Nowhere has Trump praised Stalin, Pol Pot, Hitler. Wasn't your precious Democrat FDR able to work with Stalin? The Carter regime and its catspaw Zbigniew Brzezinski notoriously supported Pol Pot to undermine Vietnam. Denial ain't just a river in Egypt.
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You think Dan is on the left?

Bwhahahahahahaha...
 
EvaPeron said:
If on line one you are talking about the star - no one saw that as racially motivated except people who were grasping at straws. It was a symbol and could just as easily have been a circle or a square or hey even an American Flag.
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Lmao, the star, the made up statistics painting blacks as murderers of 80% of whites, the "my African-American" comment, the people of Mexico being rapists and murderers. Do I need to go on?
 
sanman said:
Typical Godwinisms from the Left. Nowhere has Trump praised Stalin, Pol Pot, Hitler. Wasn't your precious Democrat FDR able to work with Stalin? The Carter regime and its catspaw Zbigniew Brzezinski notoriously supported Pol Pot to undermine Vietnam. Denial ain't just a river in Egypt.
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Reading is important. He asked "Who is next?" - He didn't say Trump had praised them.
 
Hatuey said:
Trump can't compete against Hillary alone either. The GOP never really had a chance against somebody who had nearly 40 years of experience running campaigns and learned from the best ground game campaign of the 20th and 21st centuries (Obama's 2008 campaign).

They had better options, they just didn't have a chance. Trump is both the worst option, and one that will lead them to defeat.



That's kind of the point of the thread.
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Right - which is why Hillary's been at this before and didn't succeed. Because she's such a winner and the best one for the job. I'm doubting this belief that this country will vote for a female before they vote for a male.

Personally - I see them as being extensions of each other. If she wins, he's in because of their connections. If he wins, she's in because of their connections. It's all the same and it's all bad news.
 
Aunt Spiker said:
Right - which is why Hillary's been at this before and didn't succeed. Because she's such a winner and the best one for the job. I'm doubting this belief that this country will vote for a female before they vote for a male.
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I said Hillary learned from the best campaign in the 20th and 21st century. Not that Hillary's knowledge had guaranteed her a victory. You can believe whatever you want. 8 years ago, many people never thought a black man would be elected. Here we are.

Personally - I see them as being extensions of each other. If she wins, he's in because of their connections. If he wins, she's in because of their connections. It's all the same and it's all bad news.
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The Clintons aren't going to bring Trump into their WH after he's supported EVERY conspiracy theory against them.
 
Hatuey said:
Reading is important. He asked "Who is next?" - He didn't say Trump had praised them.
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It's ridiculous rhetoric to claim that Trump sincerely idolizes dictators. He's said that ISIS is a step down from the dictators which preceded it - but you all choose to willfully misinterpret his statements. He's pointed out that when dictators behave craftily towards us, we need to be crafty towards them. If you choose to willfully misinterpret the other guy's statements, then that's on you, not him.
 
In all fairness...Barrack has done a decent job of dropping bombs on terrorists too.
 
Hatuey said:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/donald-trump-praises-saddam-hussein-for-killing-terrorists-042456610.html





Putting aside Trump regurgitating what is essentially a left wing argument while trying to entice the alt-right to vote for him, that last bolded statement me laugh. I am guessing they shouldn't go to whatever the Trump University of terrorism is? They probably won't get their money's worth. They'll be sold plastic explosives made out of legos for 20x their actual price.


:lol:
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Donald Trump is the embodiment of everything that is wrong with American society and political insiders. This egomaniac of a proto-fascist must be brought to heel.
 
sanman said:
It's ridiculous rhetoric to claim that Trump sincerely idolizes dictators.
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Trump praises dictators, he gives them credit, calls them terrorist killers, believes the US would be better off if they were in power. He has a soft spot for them. This is pretty obvious.

He's said that ISIS is a step down from the dictators which preceded it - but you all choose to willfully misinterpret his statements.
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No, he's essentially telling us who he'd rather have killing people. It's pretty obvious he prefers dictators to terrorist organizations. That he's having this conversation is pretty ridiculous.

He's pointed out that when dictators behave craftily towards us, we need to be crafty towards them. If you choose to willfully misinterpret the other guy's statements, then that's on you, not him.
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Trump isn't verbose enough to articulate what you think he's articulating, much less think of it.
 
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