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FBI Recommends No Charges Against Hillary Clinton for Use of Personal [W:234, 1861]

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Objective Voice said:
Sure it does!

No matter how much folks would like to convict her strictly through the court of public opinion, the fact of the matter is no investigative panel/agency has found any credible evidence that equates to criminal wrong-doing where Hillary Clinton's email usage is concerned. Administrative short-comings DO NOT necessarily equate to criminal wrong-doing. Folks need to just get that through their heads.

I'm not necessarily dancing a jig her. I think she was wrong for what she did and she walked that grey area fully, but that in no way means she broke the law.
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The media and her fan boys have been covering for her for over 20 years. Her ineptitude and criminal behavior didn't begin with this email scandal, it stretches back decades.
 
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WillyPete said:
Pretty smart for an oldster. Not a lie, though.

I'm not certain what "or she didn't send or receive classified data." means.

If you' asking, certainly she did. She was Secretary of State! Things become classified because she said them.
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Lol !! She's " smart " but cant figure out how to use Emails?

And not a lie ? Because you're a Hillary supporter ?

Her supporters are as corrupt and twisted as she is.
 
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ludin said:
In which there are laws that govern how that data is supposed to be handled.
She purposely and knowingly mishandled that data
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Being convinced doesn't make you convincing, friend.

The FBI disagrees. If you can show they are sandbagging on her behalf, step up to the plate!
 
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Captain America said:
Yes, and all the witch hunts and investigations in the world is anything other than political, then there is nothing that would change your mind.

I confess. I was hoping to see Hillary in handcuffs and an orange jumpsuit. I was hoping she would have to drop out of the race and Bernie would slide right in. But, that being said, I knew all along it was a political witch hunt and yet another massive waste of taxpayer dollars chasing another rightwing rainbow. But I simply do not like Hillary and I simply did not care if they railroaded her.

The FBI has spoken. I have no faith in Clinton but I do trust the FBI. If they say no charges, I accept that. Innocent until proven guilty. It's the American way. (Dammit!)
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It's a witch hunt to try and hold someone accountable for blatant violations of the law? Who knew? I mean, sure, the Republicans probably would have played defense if the person in question was a Republican, so you're correct in a sense. As for the FBI, again, who does Comey work for?
 
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danarhea said:
Careless, yes. Indicted, no. But here's my take on it:

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Having done some more reading on it, there is a grey area here.

Example: if you didn't pay all your taxes because of negligence (i.e. you didn't intend to), you won't be criminally prosecuted for it, just told to pay what you owe.

In this situation, I can see why there is no criminal prosecution. However, there's no question that this kind of thing should disqualify Hillary from ever being employed in a position with access to security clearance again. The thing is, the president isn't employed by the government. The president is elected by the people. Therefore it comes down to the people to prevent her from being president. The only rules laid out in the constitution for someone to become the president is that they're natural born, under 35 and resident for 14 + years, and the govt has no right to impose any more, likely arbitrary, restrictions (can you imagine??) beyond that, such as they must not have had a private email server. It's really up to the people now, not the govt.

I'm feeling a little trapped here. Think she's still a far better choice to lead the country than Trump, but it's becoming increasingly clear she's not fit to lead.
 
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Fenton said:
Lol !!
Not a lie ? Because you're a Hillary supporter ?
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Her insisting on a single device isn't a lie. How could it be?

If I support her it because the reaction from her haters are astounding. I think she be an okish President, but then I think the same of Trump.

Where we need change is in Congress.
 
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Captain America said:
Yes, and all the Clinton witch hunts and investigations in the world, isn't anything other than political, then there is nothing that would change your mind either. Not even the FBI.

I confess. I was hoping to see Hillary in handcuffs and an orange jumpsuit. I was hoping she would have to drop out of the race and Bernie would slide right in. But, that being said, I knew all along it was a political witch hunt and yet another massive waste of taxpayer dollars chasing another rightwing rainbow. But I simply do not like Hillary and I simply did not care if they railroaded her.

The FBI has spoken. I have no faith in Clinton but I do trust the FBI. If they say no charges, I accept that. Innocent until proven guilty. It's the American way. (Dammit!)
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You trust an organization whose head came out and basically told the entire nation of all the evidence that they for what she did.
And then their only reason for not doing it is that she didn't't do it on purpose even though she was warned that was she was doing was illegal?

No I no lover trust this government to be one of integrity or one that upholds the law.
No citizen of this country can trust their government to do the ethical thing anymore.
 
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Captain America said:
The FBI has spoken. I have no faith in Clinton but I do trust the FBI. If they say no charges, I accept that. Innocent until proven guilty. It's the American way. (Dammit!)
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Why do you trust the FBI?
 
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I really hope the Bernie people vote Trump!
 
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Moot said:
As Secretary of State she was the proper place of custody. So who didn't she trust that she sent or received information from?
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Clearly you are having trouble with the basic fundamental aspects of the English language. Let's try this again.

Whoever, being entrusted with or having lawful possession or control of any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, note, or information, relating to the national defense, (1) through gross negligence permits the same to be removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of his trust, or to be lost, stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, or (2) having knowledge that the same has been illegally removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of its trust, or lost, or stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, and fails to make prompt report of such loss, theft, abstraction, or destruction to his superior officer—
Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both.

through gross negligence permits the same to be removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of his trust, or to be lost, stolen, abstracted, or destroyed,

Do you see the word "or"? Yes? This means that only the first portion of this statute must be proven. Clinton permitted the documents to be removed from the proper secure network and to be stored on her own personal non secure server located in her house.
 
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ludin said:
Your opinion of what treason is doesn't matter.

She allowed classified data to be hacked. She allowed our enemies to get their hands on classified data bacause she refused to use a secure server to send emails.

They don't know how much data was given to our enemies because of her.
How is that not endangering our country?
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There is no evidence that she was hacked or that any damaging info got into the wrong hands. Sadly you wish that happened.
Trump has made statements that have damaged our standing in the world, weakened our security and strengthened our enemies.
 
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ludin said:
You trust an organization whose head came out and basically told the entire nation of all the evidence that they for what she did.
And then their only reason for not doing it is that she didn't't do it on purpose even though she was warned that was she was doing was illegal?

No I no lover trust this government to be one of integrity or one that upholds the law.
No citizen of this country can trust their government to do the ethical thing anymore.
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I like how his reason ignores that intent is not needed.
 
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WillyPete said:
Her insisting on a single device isn't a lie. How could it be?

If I support her it because the reaction from her haters are astounding. I think she be an okish President, but then I think the same of Trump.

Where we need change is in Congress.
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Trump aside....Hillary is a Crook many times over and a LIAR many times over....she should never have another political office in her lifetime!
 
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Nilly said:
Having done some more reading on it, there is a grey area here.

Example: if you didn't pay all your taxes because of negligence (i.e. you didn't intend to), you won't be criminally prosecuted for it, just told to pay what you owe.

In this situation, I can see why there is no criminal prosecution. However, there's no question that this kind of thing should disqualify Hillary from ever being employed in a position with access to security clearance again. The thing is, the president isn't employed by the government. The president is elected by the people. Therefore it comes down to the people to prevent her from being president. The only rules laid out in the constitution for someone to become the president is that they're natural born, under 35 and resident for 14 + years, and the govt has no right to impose any more, likely arbitrary, restrictions (can you imagine??) beyond that, such as they must not have had a private email server. It's really up to the people now, not the govt.

I'm feeling a little trapped here. Think she's still a far better choice to lead the country than Trump, but it's becoming increasingly clear she's not fit to lead.
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You can always vote for Johnson or Stein.
 
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ludin said:
No citizen of this country can trust their government to do the ethical thing anymore.
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When could we?
 
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MickeyW said:
I really hope the Bernie people vote Trump!
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Not a chance in hell.

Trump's still far worse in my eyes (and in most Bernie supporters eyes, I believe).

Doesn't necessarily mean I'd vote her though.
 
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WillyPete said:
Being convinced doesn't make you convincing, friend.

The FBI disagrees. If you can show they are sandbagging on her behalf, step up to the plate!
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The FBI stated she broke the law. They also stated that no prior conviction had been based solely on negligible actions. This is why they say that no prosecutor would take the case. You are simply wrong.
 
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Objective Voice said:
Sure it does!

No matter how much folks would like to convict her strictly through the court of public opinion, the fact of the matter is no investigative panel/agency has found any credible evidence that equates to criminal wrong-doing where Hillary Clinton's email usage is concerned. Administrative short-comings DO NOT necessarily equate to criminal wrong-doing. Folks need to just get that through their heads.

I'm not necessarily dancing a jig her. I think she was wrong for what she did and she walked that grey area fully, but that in no way means she broke the law.
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Nonsense - according to the FBI she "extremely" broke the negligence law, as written, but there was simply no precedent for enforcing that law.
 
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WillyPete said:
Her insisting on a single device isn't a lie. How could it be?

If I support her it because the reaction from her haters are astounding. I think she be an okish President, but then I think the same of Trump.

Where we need change is in Congress.
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You're hopeless

She didn't set the private email server up because she wanted the conveinelce of using only 1 device.

That was a LIE. Her saying that she didn't recieve or transmit classified material was a LIE

Comey said today over a hundred Emails were classified at the time they wsre sent

She stated she only deleted personel emails. Another lie

Why are you supporting a chronic and habitual liar ?
 
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WillyPete said:
Being convinced doesn't make you convincing, friend.

The FBI disagrees. If you can show they are sandbagging on her behalf, step up to the plate!
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Lol the fbi stated all the evidence they had. Political corruption, obstruction and collusion got her off.
The fib (pun intended)is wrong and they know it.

The fib cited all the evidence that they had that she broke the law.
But I guess someone else has to break it before they can do anything.

Their entire reason for not levying charges is political bull**** and anyone with a brain knows it.
 
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saying she is too careless to be charged is saying that means NO intent.. but too carelses means too stupid
 
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digsbe said:
The Democrat party is wicked and corrupt. This was going to be the outcome from the beginning with Obama as president protecting their party's next anointed. It's wrong, but that's how it is. Pushing the party and ideology is more important than enforcing the law. From the IRS targeting conservative groups to the Dem nominee getting away with lying and putting national security at risk, justice doesn't come because a corrupt administration puts it on the back burner in order to advance a partisan ideology.
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disappointed that a forum member who is well educated in the sciences makes such baseless, unprovable conclusions without any basis in fact
 
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