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AP Source: Volkswagen reaches $14.7B emissions settlement

Hawkeye10 said:
What About My Car? Details of the VW Settlement for Owners - Bloomberg

WOW. So if VW does not offer enough just keep the car as is and drive it into the ground since you cant sell it. I bet if too many people do it there will be a law created just for them, to force the issue.

We shall see.
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I don't think tyou can't sell it. if your VW is breaking no state laws and you sign your title over to someone else and your state issues THEM a title and plates it's still legal

remember emissions laws only apply to the commercial sale of on-road vehicles. many off road use vehicles / equipment don't have to meet any form of emissions. but usually that's enforced by states not issuing license plates to those types of vehicles. but if your state issues tabs and plates it's legal to put on a public road, at least it certainly is in that state, and virtually every state exempts vehicles plated in other states and owned by persons and entities residing in that state from their own laws.

Many vehicles sold in Canada do not meet US emissions standards, like the Puegot and Alfa-Romeo and the SMART forfour, etc but the EPA isn't waiting with tow truck in Blaine to take away canadian cars .
 
EMNofSeattle said:
I don't think tyou can't sell it. if your VW is breaking no state laws and you sign your title over to someone else and your state issues THEM a title and plates it's still legal

remember emissions laws only apply to the commercial sale of on-road vehicles. many off road use vehicles / equipment don't have to meet any form of emissions. but usually that's enforced by states not issuing license plates to those types of vehicles. but if your state issues tabs and plates it's legal to put on a public road, at least it certainly is in that state, and virtually every state exempts vehicles plated in other states and owned by persons and entities residing in that state from their own laws.

Many vehicles sold in Canada do not meet US emissions standards, like the Puegot and Alfa-Romeo and the SMART forfour, etc but the EPA isn't waiting with tow truck in Blaine to take away canadian cars .
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Ya, but if there ends up to be say 200.000 gross polluters on the road, and the government knows exactly which ones they are, they will likely do something about it. Obviously they (the government) thinks that enough money is being offered to keep that from happening. Thing is that these cars are liked from what I hear, people dont like change, and there is that tax penalty I mentioned.

By the sound if it after the "fix" these things are likely to run like SMART CARS, nobody in their right mind is going to choose that option. Hell, they might even be death traps at that point, though we dont know because the "fix" has not been invented yet according to the Bloomberg piece.
 
Deuce said:
Yes, the consumer has to stop spitting out pollutants into my neighborhood. Damn you, government.
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I know, how terrible! I guess you can't wait until the government just bans non electric cars. Yay! Government to the rescue!
 
Deuce said:
They want to do the "repairs" because the car isn't legal to drive without them. Failing to comply is something regulators can probably catch. A simple database check on who is a registered owner vs. who has taken the repair/buyback option. "So I don't get fined" isn't the greatest motivation but it can be effective.

I also hope VW is held responsible for those additional costs.

I would also bet money that other manufacturers are doing this and just haven't been caught yet, and are probably now ****ting bricks because the EPA probably has an inclination to double check.
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You know what a good solution might be? Let's get rid of the EPA. We don't need a government agency tracking down people for this.
 
EMNofSeattle said:
depends on where you live, in Washington you only have to emission test in King and Snohomish (the two urban) counties. I live in Mason county and lived in Kitsap County before that, None of the vehicles I have owned would pass emissions, one had a broken 02 sensor, another was missing a catalytic converter entirely, etc. well my mazda and current crown Vic would pass

I mean if I bought a scam VW I could re-register and drive it for years and no one would be any the wiser, and in nearly every state except for California emissions are not required at all, only required in certain urban areas (oh and there's a whole industry of fraud in which certain emissions testers will grant clean bills to anyone who pays enough clean bills), or only required the first time a car is registered.

so in reality, if you keep your VW and never make a lot of noise in 95% of the country you will be able to drive it.
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Many states have emission testing, not all, but far more than 5%. In fact the three states I've had cars registered in Illinois, Colorado, and New Jersey all had statewide emissions. You had to get your car checked every other year.

But there are plenty of states that have no emissions testing, so driving this vehicle there shouldn't be a problem.
 
Anthony60 said:
I know, how terrible! I guess you can't wait until the government just bans non electric cars. Yay! Government to the rescue!
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And I bet you can't wait until the government eliminates every environmental regulation and companies are dumping lead directly into your drinking water supply! YAY SMALL GOVERNMENT!

Reductio ab adsurdum is fun, innit?

Anthony60 said:
You know what a good solution might be? Let's get rid of the EPA. We don't need a government agency tracking down people for this.
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Your solution to people breaking the law by polluting the environment is to just make that legal. Amnesty for all illegal carcinogens!
 
Deuce said:
Yeah but the EPA now has the name and address of every person in the country with an out-of-spec vehicle. You don't have to trip an emissions test because they already know for a fact you aren't in compliance.
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They know for a fact VW is not in compliance. If your state issues tabs you are in full compliance
 
Deuce said:
And I bet you can't wait until the government eliminates every environmental regulation and companies are dumping lead directly into your drinking water supply! YAY SMALL GOVERNMENT!

Reductio ab adsurdum is fun, innit?



Your solution to people breaking the law by polluting the environment is to just make that legal. Amnesty for all illegal carcinogens!
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Oh, so foolish. You do realize that States have their own EPA? Why do we need a federal EPA with an $8,100,000,000 budget?
 
ajn678 said:
In other words, it is not legal to drive in the United States.
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It is not legal to commercially sell in the United States, if you already have one and your state registers it, it is perfectly legal to drive
 
EMNofSeattle said:
They know for a fact VW is not in compliance. If your state issues tabs you are in full compliance
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Not necessarily. Volkswagen set it's engine to turn on emissions controls during emissions tests, and then to turn off emissions controls when the car was being driven normally. You are not in compliance, but I doubt if you would have to personally pay the price, since the intent to commit fraud was not on your part.
 
Henrin said:
Who says I won't drive it anyway?

Frankly the regulation is stupid and everyone should have broke it. :shrug:
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Spend a day in China or Korea and say that. You can eat the air.
 
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