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At least 10 dead, dozens more injured in double suicide bombing at Istanbul airport

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Uhhhh no. Donald Trump's tweets made them blow people up. Get it right please.

Yeah! We need to tell The Donald to stop causing Radical Islamists to commit suicide bombings in the name of Islam!
 
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Never said any different. Yes a fair number adhere to Jihadist, the violent interpretation, as Jihad has a number of meanings.
Yet we have seen on this board Members condemning all Muslims all are a threat.
Even supporting Interment camps.

Who? Please.
 
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Yeah! We need to tell The Donald to stop causing Radical Islamists to commit suicide bombings in the name of Islam!

The amount of power in 140 characters is truly staggering.
 
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Who? Please.

I already asked him to prove this. He backed out after he couldn't like a coward.
 
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Oh my mistake. I thought when people said outrageous things like that, they would generally be willing to back up what they said with simple proof.
OK, wait and see. I do ot keep a long list of these things.
If that is disappointing you, fine.
I have no intention of going on a merry go round on this.
 
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I already asked him to prove this. He backed out after he couldn't like a coward.

Be careful of insulting a member. Insult the point, the comments, not the member.
 
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OK, wait and see. I do ot keep a long list of these things.
If that is disappointing you, fine.
I have no intention of going on a merry go round on this.

You could just say that you made it up. Its pretty obvious that is what you did.
 
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I already asked him to prove this. He backed out after he couldn't like a coward.

Pretty sure Bucky said this......I think Paleocon did as well. I don't remember what thread it was on--- might have been the one of the Constitutionality of the interment camps for Japanese Americans in WW2.
 
Re: At least 10 dead, dozens more injured in double suicide bombing at Istanbul airpo

Who? Please.

Bucky. He advocated throwing all Muslim-Americans into internment camps, similar to what we did with the Japanese, back in WWII.
 
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Yes a fair number adhere to Jihadist, the violent interpretation, as Jihad has a number of meanings.

Well, 2 is a number, so you're right. Jihad means struggle, and in the context of Islam it refers to internal struggle (self discipline) and external struggle (war against the infidel pig-dog blasphemers - you and me). Here's an explanation of how jihad is clearly used to mean fight in the Qur'an:

Sura 9 contains the following verses in which conjugations of 'jihad' are clearly used interchangeably with those of 'qatl' (kill/fight), and all in the context of fighting for allah and Islam:

9:12 - But if, after coming to terms with you, they break their oaths and revile your belief, fight (qatl) the leaders of the disbelief - for they have no oaths - in order that they will desist.
9:13 - Will you not fight (qatl) against those who have broken their oaths and conspired to expel the Messenger?
9:14 - Fight (qatl) them, Allah will punish them with your hands and degrade them. He will grant you victory over them and heal the chests of a believing nation.
9:16 - Did you suppose that you would be left before Allah has known those of you who fought (jihad) and did not take a confidant other than Allah, His Messenger, and the believers? Allah is Aware of what you do.
9:19 - Do you consider giving drink to the pilgrims and inhabiting the Sacred Mosque is the same as one who believes in Allah and the Last Day, and struggles (jihad) in the Way of Allah? These are not held equal by Allah. Allah does not guide the harmdoers. (In this case 'jihad' is interpreted in most translations as 'struggle' or 'strive', but is still used in the context of fighting. Here, God (actually Mohamed pretending to receive revelations) is telling the faithful that simply cheering and praying will not please him as much as fighting).
9:20 - Those who believe, and migrated, and struggle (jihad) in the Way of Allah with their wealth and their persons are greater in rank with Allah. It is they who are the winners (continuation of 9:19).
9:24 - Say: 'If your fathers, your sons, your brothers, your wives, your tribes, the property you have acquired, the merchandise you fear will not be sold, and the homes you love, are dearer to you than Allah, His Messenger and the struggling (jihad) for His Way, then wait until Allah shall bring His command. Allah does not guide the evildoers.'
9:25- Allah has helped you on many a battlefield. In the Battle of Hunain, when your numbers were pleasing you they availed you nothing; the earth, for all its vastness, seemed to close in upon you and you turned your backs and fled. (I've included this to prove that warfare is the topic at hand, lest anyone tries to tell us Mohamed was organizing a bake sale.)
9:25 - Fight (qatl) those who neither believe in Allah nor the Last Day, who do not forbid what Allah and His Messenger have forbidden, and do not embrace the religion of the truth, being among those who have been given the Book (Bible and the Torah), until they pay tribute out of hand and have been humiliated.
9:39 - If you do not go forth, He will punish you with a painful punishment and replace you by another nation. You will in no way harm Him; for Allah has power over all things. (This shows Allah/Mohamed is still cajoling and threatening the faithful to lay down their lives for him.)
9:41 - Whether lightly or heavily, march on and fight (jihad) for the Way of Allah, with your wealth and your persons. This will be best for you, if you but knew.
9:44 - Those who believe in Allah and the Last Day will not ask your permission so that they may struggle (jihad) with their wealth and their selves. Allah knows best the righteous.


Notice that 'qatl' is the root word for the first three verses above, but gives way to 'jihad' in the next four, reverts to 'qatl' in the infamous 9:29, then goes back to 'jihad' by 9:41, proving that the two are used interchangeably.
 
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Maybe your country should stop bowing to Islam then.

Maybe your country should stop bowing to Islam then. Seems like a pretty soft target.
 
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The amount of power in 140 characters is truly staggering.

Yeah man. I can't believe those damn Republicans are causing all these Islamic terrorist attacks.

It's not like Islam is the cause of these incidents, no way. That's just crazy talk.
 
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Not if the group responsible is the PKK. That's a pretty secular outfit.

The use of suicide bombers and attacking an airport is not PKK style. Planting roadside bombs in urban areas specifically targetting Turkish military and police, however, is another matter.
 
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The use of suicide bombers and attacking an airport is not PKK style. Planting roadside bombs in urban areas specifically targetting Turkish military and police, however, is another matter.

Guerillas are fluid by nature. It wouldn't shock me if it turned out that the PKK was responsible.
 
Re: At least 10 dead, dozens more injured in double suicide bombing at Istanbul airpo

Well, 2 is a number, so you're right. Jihad means struggle, and in the context of Islam it refers to internal struggle (self discipline) and external struggle (war against the infidel pig-dog blasphemers - you and me). Here's an explanation of how jihad is clearly used to mean fight in the Qur'an:
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Jihad: A Misunderstood Concept from Islam - What Jihad is, and is not

The Arabic word "jihad" is often translated as "holy war," but in a purely linguistic sense, the word " jihad" means struggling or striving.
The arabic word for war is: "al-harb".
In a religious sense, as described by the Quran and teachings of the Prophet Muhammad (s), "jihad" has many meanings. It can refer to internal as well as external efforts to be a good Muslims or believer, as well as working to inform people about the faith of Islam.
If military jihad is required to protect the faith against others, it can be performed using anything from legal, diplomatic and economic to political means. If there is no peaceful alternative, Islam also allows the use of force, but there are strict rules of engagement. Innocents - such as women, children, or invalids - must never be harmed, and any peaceful overtures from the enemy must be accepted.
Military action is therefore only one means of jihad, and is very rare. To highlight this point, the Prophet Mohammed told his followers returning from a military campaign: "This day we have returned from the minor jihad to the major jihad," which he said meant returning from armed battle to the peaceful battle for self-control and betterment.
In case military action appears necessary, not everyone can declare jihad. The religious military campaign has to be declared by a proper authority, advised by scholars, who say the religion and people are under threat and violence is imperative to defend them. The concept of "just war" is very important.
 
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Guerillas are fluid by nature. It wouldn't shock me if it turned out that the PKK was responsible.

They might be, but the PKK likes to think of themselves as guerillas, not terrorists. As a result, they tend to concentrate on military, police or governmental targets. Though I bet the definitions of what is a "police target" etc. can be loose, attacking foreign civilians in an airport would lead to a loss of international support for Kurdish areas. This is not something they want. In addition, suicide bombers, espescially three, is not their repetoire.
 
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Be careful of insulting a member. Insult the point, the comments, not the member.

I didn't insult you. I stated your style of debate was cowardly.
 
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Military jihad is rare? Read some history and get back to us. Islam was spread by the sword from as far east as the gates of China and as far west as the Atlantic and north to the Iberian peninsula. You know that's true, so why try to soft-soap it?

You also completely ignored my proof that sura 9 uses qatl and jihad interchangeably when speaking of warfare. Have some more kool-aid. I will counter with a beer.
 
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Bucky. He advocated throwing all Muslim-Americans into internment camps, similar to what we did with the Japanese, back in WWII.

That's not what JANFU said was stated. He said that people on here posted that all Muslims wanted to kill people.
 
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I didn't insult you. I stated your style of debate was cowardly.

I already asked him to prove this. He backed out after he couldn't like a coward.
Nope- You called me a coward. That is insulting the member.
Next - Off topic - In the Ali RIP thread, I warned you about RIP rules which you were in flagrant violation of, you did not care.
This is a well run board. Read the rules.
 
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That's not what JANFU said was stated. He said that people on here posted that all Muslims wanted to kill people.

Never said any different. Yes a fair number adhere to Jihadist, the violent interpretation, as Jihad has a number of meanings.
Yet we have seen on this board Members condemning all Muslims all are a threat.
Even supporting Interment camps.
No I did not.
 
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Nope- You called me a coward. That is insulting the member.
Next - Off topic - In the Ali RIP thread, I warned you about RIP rules which you were in flagrant violation of, you did not care.
This is a well run board. Read the rules.

Are you a mod yet?
 
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