House GOP Report: Despite eyewitness accounts, Clinton, administration pushed video

disneydude · Jun 28, 2016

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American said:
Okay, so based on your premise, Democrat do everything as a party ploy. Thanks for the education.

Not everything....but there are certainly times that Democrats use talking points to politicize things as well.....absolutely.

Slyfox696 · Jun 28, 2016

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I think it's hilarious how badly Republicans want this Benghazi story to be something. We've now had the 8th(?) investigation and there is essentially nothing new in these investigations. At this point, it's time to admit this is a partisan witch hunt and to put it to bed. We all know the security at the Libyan facility was lax. We know there should have been greater attention paid to the long-term security (for any moment, not just because it was September 11). But, absent that, we also know that everyone involved did essentially the best they could reasonably be expected to do, without the benefit of hindsight. We also know that so many of the conspiracies alleged are simply false (no stand down order, reinforcements were sent, etc.).

At this point, I suggest Republican voters just give this up and focus instead on other reasons why you hate Clinton for being a Democrat.

TheDemSocialist · Jun 28, 2016

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Slyfox696 said:
I think it's hilarious how badly Republicans want this Benghazi story to be something. We've now had the 8th(?) investigation and there is essentially nothing new in these investigations. At this point, it's time to admit this is a partisan witch hunt and to put it to bed. We all know the security at the Libyan facility was lax. We know there should have been greater attention paid to the long-term security (for any moment, not just because it was September 11). But, absent that, we also know that everyone involved did essentially the best they could reasonably be expected to do, without the benefit of hindsight. We also know that so many of the conspiracies alleged are simply false (no stand down order, reinforcements were sent, etc.).

At this point, I suggest Republican voters just give this up and focus instead on other reasons why you hate Clinton for being a Democrat.

10 investigations.

Casca XV · Jun 28, 2016

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TheDemSocialist said:
:roll: There is a difference about what one says privately ("This is what I personally think happened or believe to be true") vs public talking points based on a CIA analyst ("this is what the intelligence analysts have approved/provided to this point").

So you admit Hillary knew her public talking points were a lie, this is called Progress.

The document itself "CIA Talking Points" seems to show that it was not the CIA's official position just a "talking point" back up the lie.

American · Jun 28, 2016

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disneydude said:
LOL.....sorry.....but the facts say otherwise. The American people see this for exactly what it is......an reprehensible attempt at a desperate party to politicize the deaths of 4 Americans to try to make political gain. Its sad that the Grand Old Party has had to resort to this.

It points out her lack of credibility as a leader. She occupied a cabinet position in which she failed to accomplish anything important, ****ed up at the 3am call, and spent her days concealing her official business on a amateurishly-managed, private email server where she had classified data sent after the headers were removed. She is ten kinds of ****ed up as a human being.

Casca XV · Jun 28, 2016

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imyoda said:
NEWS FROM A REAL NEWS SOURCE.........

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/29/us/politics/hillary-clinton-benghazi.html?_r=0

House Benghazi Report Finds No New Evidence of Wrongdoing by Hillary Clinton

Ending one of the longest, costliest and most bitterly partisan congressional investigations in history, the House Select Committee on Benghazi issued its final report on Tuesday, finding no new evidence of culpability or wrongdoing by Hillary Clinton in the 2012 attacks in Libya that left four Americans dead.

The 800-page report, however, included some new details about the night of the attacks, and the context in which it occurred, and it delivered a broad rebuke of government agencies like the Defense Department, the Central Intelligence Agency and the State Department — and the officials who led them — for failing to grasp the acute security risks in the Libyan city, and especially for maintaining outposts in Benghazi that they could not protect.

The committee, led by Representative Trey Gowdy, Republican of South Carolina, also harshly criticized an internal State Department investigation that it said had allowed officials like Mrs. Clinton, then the secretary of state, to effectively choose who would investigate their actions. In addition, it reiterated Republicans’ complaints that the Obama administration had sought to thwart the investigation by withholding witnesses and evidence………….

This what we paid $11 million dollars for?

$11 million is about 25% of what Michelle Obama's vacations have cost the tax payers

TheDemSocialist · Jun 28, 2016

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Casca XV said:
So you admit Hillary knew her public talking points were a lie, this is called Progress.

No. Im stating that ones personal opinion does not mean its the governments official position based off actual analysis from the states intelligence community.....

The document itself "CIA Talking Points" seems to show that it was not the CIA's official position just a "talking point" back up the lie.

:doh Every agency releases talking points. Its how ****ing government operates with the press/media. The CIA does an analysis and then releases their position in a series of talking points to government officials.

KLATTU · Jun 28, 2016

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TheDemSocialist said:
What I dont believe is conspiracy theories produced and all to be found either complete bull**** or completely unfounded.

So you think that's a conspiracy theory? That she denied telling the families the attack was because of a youtube video?

TheDemSocialist · Jun 28, 2016

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KLATTU said:
So you think that's a conspiracy theory? That she denied telling the families the attack was because of a youtube video?

:doh Again, from post #29.
It was the CIA's assessment of the time that the film Innocence of Muslims had to do something with the attack, this is well documented. Turned out to be wrong, but it was the intelligence at the time.

Susan Rice, then-U.S. ambassador to the United Nations, said on Sunday talk shows that week that the "current best assessment" was the attack was an extension of the protests against "The Innocence of Muslims" happening elsewhere, including the U.S. Embassy in Cairo. "That's the best information we have at present," Rice told ABC News' Jake Tapper. She was telling the truth — a CIA assessment in those early days had indeed found that was the case, but that information turned out to be wrong." Benghazi 101: What You Need to Know Ahead of Clinton'''s Testimony - NBC News

Dont believe NBC? Take it from the CIA itself then:

https://books.google.com/books?id=3...NAhXI6YMKHcs3CigQ6AEIUjAH#v=onepage&q&f=false

imyoda · Jun 28, 2016

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Casca XV said:
$11 million is about 25% of what Michelle Obama's vacations have cost the tax payers

And your point is........... As I see it........her vacations were not designed to politically screw anyone

KLATTU · Jun 28, 2016

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Slyfox696 said:
I think it's hilarious how badly Republicans want this Benghazi story to be something. We've now had the 8th(?) investigation and there is essentially nothing new in these investigations. At this point, it's time to admit this is a partisan witch hunt and to put it to bed. We all know the security at the Libyan facility was lax. We know there should have been greater attention paid to the long-term security (for any moment, not just because it was September 11). But, absent that, we also know that everyone involved did essentially the best they could reasonably be expected to do, without the benefit of hindsight. We also know that so many of the conspiracies alleged are simply false (no stand down order, reinforcements were sent, etc.).

At this point, I suggest Republican voters just give this up and focus instead on other reasons why you hate Clinton for being a Democrat.

Hmm. Well you make a fair point that this investigation only confirmed that Hillary Clinton isn't terribly competent and is a pathological liar, which was already common knowledge among a lot of folks, and not important to a lot of others.

I think the email scandal is a far better reason to hate her, so again I agree with your overall premise.That one either proves her to be grossly incompetent or grossly dishonest, and maybe not mutually exclusive.

iguanaman · Jun 28, 2016

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American said:
That's actually been proven by the fact the political appointees inside the administration concocted this video story, and had Clinton and Rice selling it. So cue your damn music because the shoe fits. Own it!

The CIA "concocted" the video story and the Administration was merely using their talking points. Why are you continuing to lie about it? Oh I forgot, the CIA is not a GOP target. Here is account of Petreus's testimony on Set. 14, 3 days after the attack.

The testimony shows lawmakers, including the chairman, recalling how Petraeus stressed protests over an anti-Islam video as the impetus -- an explanation that would later unravel -- while brushing off concerns that mortar attacks indicated a planned terror attack.

During that testimony, Rep. Mac Thornberry, R-Texas, who takes the gavel of the House Armed Services Committee in January, said: "Mr. Morell, my strongest memory [was] Director Petraeus on the Friday after this event coming in and telling us this was all a spontaneous demonstration caused by a video."

In the same session, Rep. Peter King, R-N.Y., went further, saying Petraeus was "definitive" in his assessment the video was to blame, and unlike the intelligence community witnesses present, the general did not talk about "shifts in the line of analysis."

GOP lawmakers highly critical of Petraeus? Benghazi explanation, testimony shows | Fox News

American · Jun 28, 2016

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iguanaman said:
The CIA "concocted" the video story and the Administration was merely using their talking points. Why are you continuing to lie about it? Oh I forgot, the CIA is not a GOP target. Here is account of Petreus's testimony on Set. 14, 3 days after the attack.

GOP lawmakers highly critical of Petraeus? Benghazi explanation, testimony shows | Fox News

Not so fast.

CBS News releases video showing Obama knew Benghazi was a terrorist attack | Human Events

Born Free · Jun 28, 2016

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TheDemSocialist said:
:roll: There is a difference about what one says privately ("This is what I personally think happened or believe to be true") vs public talking points based on a CIA analyst ("this is what the intelligence analysts have approved/provided to this point").

So who did she tell the truth too, her family and the president of Libya and the Egyptian prime minster that it was an al-Qaeda-like attack. OR the American public that it was a spontaneous uprising caused by a video?

Remember she was very specific

CNSNews.com) - "There was never a video-inspired protest in Benghazi," and three newly revealed communications from then-Secretary of State Hillary Clinton--all sent within 24 hours of the attack--indicate she knew the truth all along, Rep. Jim Jordan (R-Ohio) told the House Select Committee on Benghazi Thursday.

One hour after releasing a statement that suggested that "inflammatory material posted on the Internet" might have some role in the attack that was then still in progress, Clinton told her family that two Americans had been killed in Benghazi by an al-Qaeda-like group.

That same night, she told the president of Libya that Ansar al Sharia was claiming responsibility.

The next day, she told the Egyptian prime minister: "We know the attack in Libya had nothing to do with the film. It was a planned attack, not a protest."

Yet five days after the attack that killed four Americans, Susan Rice, who was then the U.S. ambassador to the United Nations, went on five Sunday talk shows and gave the nation a different explanation.

Clinton Less Than 24 Hours Later: 'We Know the Attack in Libya Had Nothing to Do With the Film'

iguanaman · Jun 28, 2016

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American said:
Not so fast.

CBS News releases video showing Obama knew Benghazi was a terrorist attack | Human Events

Not so fast? The CIA was in charge in Benghazi and when they release their talking points it is not for anyone to disagree with them. It does not matter what anyone "thought" the CIA's 1st hand info overrides any opinions others may have had. There is no point in arguing, the Obama Administration did no wrong by using CIA talking points. Your beef is with the CIA alone and yet you are silent. I wonder why?

Rentoc · Jun 28, 2016

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Bottom line is that Obama was not going to have a "Black hawk Down" scenario less than a month before election day. Mrs. Clinton has strapped herself to him at the hip therefore she has to continue the falacy that 1) they were in the dark on the situation, 2) there were no readily available assets and 3) it was a planned terrorist attack on a US diplomatic and Intel facility.

There are no pictures (ZERO) of the President or the Sec of State in the situation room while this was going on. We know there was a drone on site feeding video to stateside intel agencies. Why wasn't the President in the Situation Room? Because he was picking out his clothes for the next days activities and resting up for his party in Las Vegas!!

Casca XV · Jun 28, 2016

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TheDemSocialist said:
:doh Again, from post #29.
It was the CIA's assessment of the time that the film Innocence of Muslims had to do something with the attack, this is well documented. Turned out to be wrong, but it was the intelligence at the time.

Susan Rice, then-U.S. ambassador to the United Nations, said on Sunday talk shows that week that the "current best assessment" was the attack was an extension of the protests against "The Innocence of Muslims" happening elsewhere, including the U.S. Embassy in Cairo. "That's the best information we have at present," Rice told ABC News' Jake Tapper. She was telling the truth — a CIA assessment in those early days had indeed found that was the case, but that information turned out to be wrong." Benghazi 101: What You Need to Know Ahead of Clinton'''s Testimony - NBC News

Dont believe NBC? Take it from the CIA itself then:

https://books.google.com/books?id=3...NAhXI6YMKHcs3CigQ6AEIUjAH#v=onepage&q&f=false

Susan Rice? I guess next you will quote Hillary claiming she was under sniper fire or Obama saying "you can keep your doctor" as creditably for you argument.

American · Jun 28, 2016

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iguanaman said:
Not so fast? The CIA was in charge in Benghazi and when they release their talking points it is not for anyone to disagree with them. It does not matter what anyone "thought" the CIA's 1st hand info overrides any opinions others may have had. There is no point in arguing, the Obama Administration did no wrong by using CIA talking points. Your beef is with the CIA alone and yet you are silent. I wonder why?

Nope, the State Dept was in charge in Benghazi, and everyone else worked through them. That's how it works at embassies.

iguanaman · Jun 28, 2016

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Born Free said:
So who did she tell the truth too, her family and the president of Libya and the Egyptian prime minster that it was an al-Qaeda-like attack. OR the American public that it was a spontaneous uprising caused by a video?

Remember she was very specific

CNSNews.com) - "There was never a video-inspired protest in Benghazi," and three newly revealed communications from then-Secretary of State Hillary Clinton--all sent within 24 hours of the attack--indicate she knew the truth all along, Rep. Jim Jordan (R-Ohio) told the House Select Committee on Benghazi Thursday.

One hour after releasing a statement that suggested that "inflammatory material posted on the Internet" might have some role in the attack that was then still in progress, Clinton told her family that two Americans had been killed in Benghazi by an al-Qaeda-like group.

That same night, she told the president of Libya that Ansar al Sharia was claiming responsibility.

The next day, she told the Egyptian prime minister: "We know the attack in Libya had nothing to do with the film. It was a planned attack, not a protest."

Yet five days after the attack that killed four Americans, Susan Rice, who was then the U.S. ambassador to the United Nations, went on five Sunday talk shows and gave the nation a different explanation.

Clinton Less Than 24 Hours Later: 'We Know the Attack in Libya Had Nothing to Do With the Film'

Just because Hillary turned out to be more insightful than the CIA does not change her obligation to relay their 1st hand intelligence talking points. They were in charge and what they said was rightly what officials used. It is not up to the SOS to out guess the CIA on intelligence matters.

iguanaman · Jun 28, 2016

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American said:
Nope, the State Dept was in charge in Benghazi, and everyone else worked through them. That's how it works at embassies.

Benghazi had no embassy so there 's that and if State was in charge of intelligence too then why do we have a CIA? What do they do?

KLATTU · Jun 28, 2016

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TheDemSocialist said:
:doh Again, from post #29.
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DOh. Not the point. You are deflecting .

She told the families it was because of the you tube video. Then when asked about it, she denied that she told them that.

Note that she did NOT say " Well that was what we knew at the time"

eohrnberger · Jun 28, 2016

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cpwill said:
The issue with this is... we already knew this. Clinton supporters don't want to believe it, so it doesn't matter what evidence they get. "Benghazi" is one of those things only Crazy Republicans care about, and the value of not-siding-with-Republicans outweighs the value of following-the-truth.

Exactly. Tell us something that we don't already know, and it's not going to convince any of the HillBots of anything they don't want to hear. :roll:

American · Jun 28, 2016

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iguanaman said:
Benghazi had no embassy so there 's that and if State was in charge of intelligence too then why do we have a CIA? What do they do?

Then what was the ambassador doing there? Answer: looking to set one up. State was in charge in Benghazi. CIA was there for other reasons, now weren't they. Nevertheless, anything related to the embassy came under State.

iguanaman · Jun 28, 2016

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American said:
Then what was the ambassador doing there? Answer: looking to set one up. State was in charge in Benghazi. CIA was there for other reasons, now weren't they. Nevertheless, anything related to the embassy came under State.

He was there on CIA business, they were advising him and even told him to keep a low profile. Besides the CIA had the only outpost there. Are you now denying that that CIA is responsible for our foreign intelligence operations? What do they do then?

Ambassador Stevens twice said no to military offers of more security, U.S. officials say | McClatchy DC

jonny5 · Jun 28, 2016

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American said:
House GOP Report: Despite eyewitness accounts, Clinton, administration pushed video explanation for Benghazi

House GOP Report: Despite eyewitness accounts, Clinton, administration pushed video explanation for Benghazi | Fox News

You can read the rest of it. It doesn't look good; the administration manufactured the whole video story. There was zero evidence of a video involved, yet they tried to make a big deal of it. They being the underling appointees. Clinton and Susan Rice went out publically touting it, when they knew better. They should have known better, because they knew it was a terrorist attack within the first minutes; there is zero doubt about that. This fact hasn't changed since the beginning, but now it's conclusive. Clinton is an incompetent boob or a liar. Democrats and those trying to elect Clinton at all cost are trying to get out ahead of this, because they know it's damning. I don't want anyone that corrupt and incompetent near the "red button" (as Clinton herself put it re: Trump).

The actual report - Select Committee on Benghazi Releases Proposed Report | Select Committee on Benghazi

Despite President Obama and Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta’s clear orders to deploy military assets, nothing was sent to Benghazi, and nothing was en route to Libya at the time the last two Americans were killed almost 8 hours after the attacks began. [pg. 141]
With Ambassador Stevens missing, the White House convened a roughly two-hour meeting at 7:30 PM, which resulted in action items focused on a YouTube video, and others containing the phrases “f any deployment is made,” and “Libya must agree to any deployment,” and “[w]ill not deploy until order comes to go to either Tripoli or Benghazi.” [pg. 115]
The Vice Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff typically would have participated in the White House meeting, but did not attend because he went home to host a dinner party for foreign dignitaries. [pg. 107]
A Fleet Antiterrorism Security Team (FAST) sat on a plane in Rota, Spain, for three hours, and changed in and out of their uniforms four times. [pg. 154]
None of the relevant military forces met their required deployment timelines. [pg. 150]
The Libyan forces that evacuated Americans from the CIA Annex to the Benghazi airport was not affiliated with any of the militias the CIA or State Department had developed a relationship with during the prior 18 months. Instead, it was comprised of former Qadhafi loyalists who the U.S. had helped remove from power during the Libyan revolution. [pg. 144]

Thats just for starters, and its not really much different than we already knew.

1. The state dept sent a ambassador into a known hostile country without proper security, and then ignored that ambassadors requests for more security
2. during the attack the state and defense failed to respond to an attack, and it was only the sacrifice of CIA contractors and some local militia that saved any lives
3. after it was all over the executive branch tried to cover its ass and and obstruct investigation

Furthermore, CONGRESS is responsible for checking the Exec. What is their role in making sure the exec is doing its job?

House GOP Report: Despite eyewitness accounts, Clinton, administration pushed video

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