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George Will exits the Republican Party over Trump

If there's one guy who looks, sounds, writes, acts and thinks of himself as an elite it's George Will.
A Bill Buckley he ain't.

He did have a great line this morning, he said something like "Donald Trump has an advantage over me in that he can say everything he knows about a subject in 140 characters ... I can't."
POW!
 
mak2 said:
I was watching Fox News this AM before I left for work. According to Fox the Democrat party is more divided than the Republican party, pointing out the additions Sanders wants to the democratic platform. Someone please explain to me how Fox really believes this. I don't see Demo's leaving the party, I don't see Demo Congressmen and Senators saying they cant endorse Clinton. George Will is one of those people who I think pretty much speaks Republican, now he is leaving, but the Demo are more divided? At least Fox has quit saying fair and balanced.
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I can explain it ... I don't believe they said the Dems are more divided than the Pubs as a Party.
They were just pointing out the platform changes the Dems wouldn't have made if they didn't have to try to draw in Bernie's voters.

But you're right ... the Dems are tons better at keeping their various demographic constituencies together. It's not even close. Scary even. I'm just not sure such rigorous conformity speaks well of the Party.
 
bubbabgone said:
If there's one guy who looks, sounds, writes, acts and thinks of himself as an elite it's George Will.
A Bill Buckley he ain't.

He did have a great line this morning, he said something like "Donald Trump has an advantage over me in that he can say everything he knows about a subject in 140 characters ... I can't."
POW!
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All very true. I'll have to retire to le petit maison to consider this over a bottle of 1982 Lafite Rothschild.
 
imyoda said:
He has proved without a doubt he has now working knowledge of foreign affairs.........

To comment as he did in Scotland with Scotland voting in vast numbers not to leave EU is beyond belief......

Is his only concern in life the well being of his belly-button, so to speak......

If he's elected he will have us in a war in less that 18 months
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We are already involved in Permanent War as gov't policy. It is our only successful Industry. I fail to see the difference even though I am not a Trump supporter. Our gov't has ginned up a new Cold War and pretty soon we'll need new and bigger and more expensive weaopons for that. Marketing marches on. I didn't vote for an Imperialistic USA agenda of World hegemony, did you?
 
George Will is one of many who are leaving the party over Trump.

Trump cashed in on the disgust among many Republicans over the failed leadership of Boehner and McConnell the past 7 1/2 years.

But this morning I read that 12 million Democrats crossed over and voted for Trump this primary. The reports had surfaced months ago that they were playing a game of Switch and Ditch because the Democrats wanted Trump to be the Republican nominee. This is easily done in states with open primaries. And it is no coincidence in those states Trump did very well. It makes perfect sense why they would want the Orange clown to go up against Hillary Clinton. She is a weak candidate with a boatload of baggage and very high unfavorable ratings. If there is anyone she can beat it's Trump.

Last time I checked, 70% of Republicans are unhappy with Trump as their nominee. He is finding it difficult to get top notch GOP consultants to work on his campaign because frankly they do not want their resumes soiled. And the announcements of several high profile representatives, senators, former presidents will not be attending the convention because they can not in good conscience support Trump.

What started out as a dozen or so delegates wanting to have all delegates unbound on the first vote has grown to hundreds. They now have a super pac that is producing radio and TV ads to encourage voters to contact their party leadership in each state to free the delegates to vote their conscience. There are those who sit on the rules committee working to insert a rule allowing delegates to vote their conscience. Last week Gov Walker chimed in and said delegates should vote their conscience. Paul Ryan basically stated in an interview with Chuck Todd that Republicans should vote their conscience. So at this point there is no guarantee that Trump will be the nominee.

Hope floats.
 
imyoda said:
He has proved without a doubt he has now working knowledge of foreign affairs.........

To comment as he did in Scotland with Scotland voting in vast numbers not to leave EU is beyond belief......

Is his only concern in life the well being of his belly-button, so to speak......

If he's elected he will have us in a war in less that 18 months
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What rubbish - Libtards keep making grand pronouncements on who's smart and who's an idiot, and yet again and again they keep getting proven how out of touch they are with the people - the latest Brexit vote is clear proof of that.

The UK is the UK, and no matter which part of it Trump chooses to visit, it's still the UK. Trump wasn't going out of his way to make Scotland into a podium, he was visiting Turnberry as part of his normal business activities. For Libtards who live in their parents' basement while collecting welfare, it may be hard for them to connect with an accomplished fellow going to check up on his assets in other countries, but Trump violated no protocol nor any convention. Plenty of presidential candidates have appeared before the media on foreign visit - remember Obama preening in Germany, trying to get in front of the Brandenburg Gate to pretend he was JFK whom his bootlickers were comparing him to? What a joke.

Libtards have the nerve to mock Trump on foreign policy knowledge, when their beloved idiot Obama went in front of the British people and told them they'd have to sit at the back of the bus, if they didn't vote to let EU take them over.

 
Wait, I just read somewhere very recently Trump has 13 million votes so far. I will try to find out which is true.
vesper said:
George Will is one of many who are leaving the party over Trump.

Trump cashed in on the disgust among many Republicans over the failed leadership of Boehner and McConnell the past 7 1/2 years.

But this morning I read that 12 million Democrats crossed over and voted for Trump this primary. The reports had surfaced months ago that they were playing a game of Switch and Ditch because the Democrats wanted Trump to be the Republican nominee. This is easily done in states with open primaries. And it is no coincidence in those states Trump did very well. It makes perfect sense why they would want the Orange clown to go up against Hillary Clinton. She is a weak candidate with a boatload of baggage and very high unfavorable ratings. If there is anyone she can beat it's Trump.

Last time I checked, 70% of Republicans are unhappy with Trump as their nominee. He is finding it difficult to get top notch GOP consultants to work on his campaign because frankly they do not want their resumes soiled. And the announcements of several high profile representatives, senators, former presidents will not be attending the convention because they can not in good conscience support Trump.

What started out as a dozen or so delegates wanting to have all delegates unbound on the first vote has grown to hundreds. They now have a super pac that is producing radio and TV ads to encourage voters to contact their party leadership in each state to free the delegates to vote their conscience. There are those who sit on the rules committee working to insert a rule allowing delegates to vote their conscience. Last week Gov Walker chimed in and said delegates should vote their conscience. Paul Ryan basically stated in an interview with Chuck Todd that Republicans should vote their conscience. So at this point there is no guarantee that Trump will be the nominee.

Hope floats.
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mak2 said:
Wait, I just read somewhere very recently Trump has 13 million votes so far. I will try to find out which is true.
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I should have stated out of the 12 million, Trump benefitted.
 
Is George Will leaving the GOP over Trump's ideology or is he clandestinely voting for Hillary?..I guess Will thinks the eventual candidate he votes for has as much a chance of winning as Hillary or Trump... Hey Georgie, do you want to place a bet that the winning presidential nominee won't be either Trump or Hillary? Hum? Elites - which Will is - need to be neutered in American politics. Go populism. We know better.

I'll say this much for Will: his hairpiece looks better than Trump's.
 
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Jesse Booth said:
...I'm used to seeing really crappy wordplay on this forum - dimocrats, republitards, et cetera - but that one you just wrote was nearly painful.
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Hillary
Hillllary
Hell-helll

Hold on, I'll get this

Helli-bad
Hilli-awful

Heilhitler

Heilhitlery!!

[retires to a glass of wine with the knowledge of a job well done]
 
TobyOne said:
Liberals are easily ashamed to be an American. Its part of what defines a liberal.
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LOL.

imyoda said:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...6cdcaa-3b09-11e6-9ccd-d6005beac8b3_story.html
George Will exits the Republican Party over Trump

Conservative columnist George Will has left the Republican Party over its presumptive nomination of Donald Trump.

Will, who writes a column for The Washington Post, spoke about his decision Friday at an event for the Federalist Society in Washington.
“This is not my party,” he told the audience, the news site PJ Media first reported.
Speaking with The Post, Will said that he changed his voter registration from “Republican” to “unaffiliated” several weeks ago, the day after House Speaker Paul D. Ryan (R-Wis.) endorsed Trump.
George Will says he's leaving GOP over Trump - CNNPolitics.com

For the majority of Republicans and Wills millions of readers………..this is a big deal……
I just wonder how many others will follow Will’s lead……
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George is free to do what his conscious moves him to do. But I think this is not as big a deal as you make it, or are trying to make it.

I think this is far more significant.

vesper said:
George Will is one of many who are leaving the party over Trump.

Trump cashed in on the disgust among many Republicans over the failed leadership of Boehner and McConnell the past 7 1/2 years.

But this morning I read that 12 million Democrats crossed over and voted for Trump this primary. The reports had surfaced months ago that they were playing a game of Switch and Ditch because the Democrats wanted Trump to be the Republican nominee. This is easily done in states with open primaries. And it is no coincidence in those states Trump did very well. It makes perfect sense why they would want the Orange clown to go up against Hillary Clinton. She is a weak candidate with a boatload of baggage and very high unfavorable ratings. If there is anyone she can beat it's Trump.

Last time I checked, 70% of Republicans are unhappy with Trump as their nominee. He is finding it difficult to get top notch GOP consultants to work on his campaign because frankly they do not want their resumes soiled. And the announcements of several high profile representatives, senators, former presidents will not be attending the convention because they can not in good conscience support Trump.

What started out as a dozen or so delegates wanting to have all delegates unbound on the first vote has grown to hundreds. They now have a super pac that is producing radio and TV ads to encourage voters to contact their party leadership in each state to free the delegates to vote their conscience. There are those who sit on the rules committee working to insert a rule allowing delegates to vote their conscience. Last week Gov Walker chimed in and said delegates should vote their conscience. Paul Ryan basically stated in an interview with Chuck Todd that Republicans should vote their conscience. So at this point there is no guarantee that Trump will be the nominee.

Hope floats.
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KevinKohler said:
My plan is unfolding perfectly. Trump is destroying the GOP, by doing nothing more than holding a mirror up to it.


Now all I need is someone similar so we can work to do the same to the Democratic Party.
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An interesting thought that. I think Hillary servers well as a mirror to the Democratic party in as much as her history of public (*cough* self-service) is riddled with corruption, pay to play, political favors paid out of the people's treasury, and a near constant conflicts of interest. I can think of no better mirror for the Democratic party.
 
Jesse Booth said:
...I'm used to seeing really crappy wordplay on this forum - dimocrats, republitards, et cetera - but that one you just wrote was nearly painful.
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How about Brexitera for the second referendum petition?
heh? HEH?
It's got a certain cachet, no?
 
mak2 said:
I was watching Fox News this AM before I left for work. According to Fox the Democrat party is more divided than the Republican party, pointing out the additions Sanders wants to the democratic platform. Someone please explain to me how Fox really believes this. I don't see Demo's leaving the party, I don't see Demo Congressmen and Senators saying they cant endorse Clinton. George Will is one of those people who I think pretty much speaks Republican, now he is leaving, but the Demo are more divided? At least Fox has quit saying fair and balanced.
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Well that's Faux Noise fore you............and they say the Polls are "fixed" just as HRC has shown an upward trend
 
iguanaman said:
The problem is people who don't know what shames us. Trump does not speak for our values. He's a self -promoting carnival barker and no more.
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What politician does speak for our values and what are those values, exactly?
 
imyoda said:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...6cdcaa-3b09-11e6-9ccd-d6005beac8b3_story.html
George Will exits the Republican Party over Trump

Conservative columnist George Will has left the Republican Party over its presumptive nomination of Donald Trump.

Will, who writes a column for The Washington Post, spoke about his decision Friday at an event for the Federalist Society in Washington.
“This is not my party,” he told the audience, the news site PJ Media first reported.
Speaking with The Post, Will said that he changed his voter registration from “Republican” to “unaffiliated” several weeks ago, the day after House Speaker Paul D. Ryan (R-Wis.) endorsed Trump.
George Will says he's leaving GOP over Trump - CNNPolitics.com

For the majority of Republicans and Wills millions of readers………..this is a big deal……
I just wonder how many others will follow Will’s lead……
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I saw that yesterday and saved the article myself.

I've always liked Will, he's an even minded and extremely smart man. This demonstrable proof that the Republicans have lost their minds and they can thank Ronald Reagan, Jerry Falwell, Fox News and the NRA for it. That's what created Donald Trump.

So it's asta la'bye-bye to the right-wing.
 
I call it the RWNM but yea, it created Trump.
jet57 said:
I saw that yesterday and saved the article myself.

I've always liked Will, he's an even minded and extremely smart man. This demonstrable proof that the Republicans have lost their minds and they can thank Ronald Reagan, Jerry Falwell, Fox News and the NRA for it. That's what created Donald Trump.

So it's asta la'bye-bye to the right-wing.
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bubbabgone said:
How about Brexitera for the second referendum petition?
heh? HEH?
It's got a certain cachet, no?
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Austria la vista, baby, for Austria's EU referendum...
 
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jet57 said:
I saw that yesterday and saved the article myself.

I've always liked Will, he's an even minded and extremely smart man. This demonstrable proof that the Republicans have lost their minds and they can thank Ronald Reagan, Jerry Falwell, Fox News and the NRA for it. That's what created Donald Trump.

So it's asta la'bye-bye to the right-wing.
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Please explain the role Reagan played in creating Trump. Thanks.
 
TobyOne said:
Liberals are easily ashamed to be an American. Its part of what defines a liberal.
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That is pure unadulterated bull****.

I am plenty proud of being an American. I'm also proud enough to be thoroughly embarrassed to have a buffoon such a Trump attempting to speak for me as an American. Meanwhile intelligent Americans are distancing themselves from this dolt.

I rarely agree with George Will. But he's always civil. And he's respected on both sides of the aisle. Trump is neither of those..
 
DaveFagan said:
We are already involved in Permanent War as gov't policy. It is our only successful Industry. I fail to see the difference even though I am not a Trump supporter. Our gov't has ginned up a new Cold War and pretty soon we'll need new and bigger and more expensive weaopons for that. Marketing marches on. I didn't vote for an Imperialistic USA agenda of World hegemony, did you?
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GOOD POST...Insightful


I have noticed the same trend and I find it troubling....

I think your assessment of who to blame for the "New Cold War" as being too broad,............


IMHO what I have read and seen reported on TV seems to be the same case of characters of the Neo-cons as the main source....

As tou I have not voted for yhose either....
 
Cause if you don't agree with the conservatives, you hate Merica. I had one numbskull on another forum (I think) try to tell me I could not have possibly been a Marine, because I did not agree with him on some conservative topic. Trump has come from this no compromise, uber right wing mind washing we have seen for the last 7-8 years in the noise machine. He is a birther for goodness sakes. Reality means nothing.
Top Cat said:
That is pure unadulterated bull****.

I am plenty proud of being an American. I'm also proud enough to be thoroughly embarrassed to have a buffoon such a Trump attempting to speak for me as an American. Meanwhile intelligent Americans are distancing themselves from this dolt.

I rarely agree with George Will. But he's always civil. And he's respected on both sides of the aisle. Trump is neither of those..
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Although it's possible, I very much doubt he will be voting for a Libertarian candidate. There are just some things that he holds close to his heart that are more or less deal breakers with Libertarians.
 
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