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Here’s how many people tested positive under Rick Snyder’s program to test welfare

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danarhea said:
That is not a bit true. I can speak from experience. When I was doing probation for my DWI (which was eventually dismissed - long story), I saw loads of people being taken to jail from the probation office because they thought they could cheat on a drug test. They were given plenty of notice of their tests too.
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I helped my friend pass numerous drug tests by supplying him with clean urine.Your buddies on probation must have been stupid **** that doesn't work like drinking excessive water, putting bleach on their fingertip or some other useless wives tale for beating piss tests.
 
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mak2 said:
I find this very disturbing.
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So I wonder, if they do enact a religious test for immigration, would it just test to make sure you aren't a Muslim? Or would it test to make sure you're a Christian? You're right - that is frightening.
 
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Chomsky said:
Yeah, I have to admit I'm feeling a bit of the nationalist swing myself, which like most things I think is fine as long as not carried extreme to detriment. And I doubt you'll find anyone more *against* illegal immigration than me.

But really - do we want to see a religious test before entering the country? Scary stuff!

If there was a Trump equivalent in the White House during the times of the Italian waves of immigration into America, I wouldn't be here! :doh

Thank God they let us Catholics in ...
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Probably the most hated immigrants in the history of this country were the Irish Catholics. They, and the Italians have done this country a lot of good. But as you pointed out, if a Trump like prez was in the WH then neither group would be here.
 
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JumpinJack said:
Most do not have a scam going. Most welfare recipients are women with children, and they need their food stamps to supplement their meals. Most of them also work.

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Incorrect. A large portion of women with children who collect welfare also have live-in boyfriends who work. They don't disclose that income coming into the household. Many of them would no longer qualify if they were to declare that income.
 
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Celebrity said:
Can we all agree that people aren't using welfare money to buy drugs for personal use?

Here’s how many people tested positive under Rick Snyder’s program to test welfare recipients for drugs – DeadState
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Golly, I suppose all those drug addicts I worked with as a social worker are just figments of my imagination.

Don't get me wrong, I think that the food benefit has changed somewhat since the advent of the ebt card, before that food stamps paper bills were known as the currency of the drug trade, but the ebt hasn't fixed everything. Testing welfare recipients for drug use is still a good idea regardless.
 
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A government program that lost money and didn't accomplish its goals...color me shocked.
 
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jmotivator said:
Golly, I suppose all those drug addicts I worked with as a social worker are just figments of my imagination.

Don't get me wrong, I think that the food benefit has changed somewhat since the advent of the ebt card, before that food stamps paper bills were known as the currency of the drug trade, but the ebt hasn't fixed everything. Testing welfare recipients for drug use is still a good idea regardless.
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Seen my post #46?

Why don't we drug test the population at large? The saying "beggars can't be choosers" should not take on the meaning that beggars have no autonomy in a free society.

I guess the reasoning behind your logic is that the drug trade involves predatory behavior which is harder for beggars to avoid, and we are just protecting them by drug testing them. Reminds me of a funny story about drugging people in order to protect them from insolence and insubordinate behavior.
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Groogrux said:
Incorrect. A large portion of women with children who collect welfare also have live-in boyfriends who work. They don't disclose that income coming into the household. Many of them would no longer qualify if they were to declare that income.
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Fascinating. What data backs up that assertion?
 
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Tanngrisnir said:
Groogrux said:
Incorrect. A large portion of women with children who collect welfare also have live-in boyfriends who work. They don't disclose that income coming into the household. Many of them would no longer qualify if they were to declare that income.
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Fascinating. What data backs up that assertion?
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Your's is an impossible request... and I bet you know that. There are no official statistics where people voluntarily admit they scammed the system. It's a patently absurd notion to even pretend there would be.

However, for anyone who has been close enough to observe, it's quite obvious that this is not uncommon at all. In fact, the government unintentionally encourages such scamming and abuse by penalizing in-tact families. Within poorer neighborhoods people talk freely among themselves and trusted friends about what goes on.

But since that doesn't fit the desired uber-liberal narrative, it doesn't exist, right?
 
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radcen said:
Your's is an impossible request... and I bet you know that. There are no official statistics where people voluntarily admit they scammed the system. It's a patently absurd notion to even pretend there would be
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What can be asserted w/out evidence can be dismissed without evidence. But I'm sure you knew that.
However, for anyone who has been close enough to observe, it's quite obvious that this is not uncommon at all. In fact, the government unintentionally encourages such scamming and abuse by penalizing in-tact families. Within poorer neighborhoods people talk freely among themselves and trusted friends about what goes on.

But since that doesn't fit the desired uber-liberal narrative, it doesn't exist, right?
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Yawn. I'm around people receiving such benefits all the time and have not observed this to be all that common. I was asking for specific that would either confirm or deny such an observation.

You're welcome to believe bare assertions and take them at face value. It seems about your speed. I choose not to.
 
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Tanngrisnir said:
What can be asserted w/out evidence can be dismissed without evidence. But I'm sure you knew that.

Yawn. I'm around people receiving such benefits all the time and have not observed this to be all that common. I was asking for specific that would either confirm or deny such an observation.

You're welcome to believe bare assertions and take them at face value. It seems about your speed. I choose not to.
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I didn't think you would. Having observed you a bit since you joined DP it was clear early on that your's is not an open mind. My post was actually more for those who do think openly more so than it was for you.
 
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Celebrity said:
Can we all agree that people aren't using welfare money to buy drugs for personal use?

Here’s how many people tested positive under Rick Snyder’s program to test welfare recipients for drugs – DeadState
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The program allows health department officials to require applicants to go through a drug test based on the results of the 50-question screening process. Refusal to do so disqualifies them from receiving financial assistance for six months. However, none of the applicants reportedly refused to go through the test.
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This wasn't drug screening, this an interview. Drug screening involves doing actual medical tests for drugs, not "Have you used drugs in the last 30 days? Keep in mind that if you answer 'Yes', you will lose your welfare benefits)"
 
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ocean515 said:
Um. There are over 100,000,000 receiving government assistance. While it's good to see 303 of them did not test positive for drugs, your claim, in light of the sample set size, is not supportable.
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Noen of them were tested, it was jsut that none of them admitted to using drugs. Maybe they did, maybe they didn't, but this was no test, this was an interview...
 
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radcen said:
I didn't think you would. Having observed you a bit since you joined DP it was clear early on that your's is not an open mind. My post was actually more for those who do think openly more so than it was for you.
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Ah, so you were just posting to methaphorically hear the sound of your own voice and had nothing to substance to say. Prety clear from the get-go, really.

Enjoy your love of unsupported bare assertions, and keep believing you know what an open mind is.
 
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Captain Adverse said:
I guess that all depends on when a person is tested, how they are tested, and what their drug of choice is.

I've known lifelong marijuana users who regularly pass urine tests...by simply over-hydrating and urinating repeatedly hours before and right up to the time of the test.

Here is a chart of how long a drug stays in your system and what kind of test might succeed or fail to detect it:

How Long Each Drug Stays In your Body.. Drug Use Chart

I can't find which test they are using, but judging from the info in the article about how little they've spent to test 303 people, I'm willing to bet it was a urine test.

NOTE: The hair sample test is the best method of detecting drug use, effective for up to 90 days after usage.
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It wasn't a test, it was an interview...

Was I the only person here who clicked on the link and saw that part right in the middle in big block letters that described the nature of the "test?
 
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Celebrity said:
Seen my post #46?
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Yes, do you believe there is any drug that makes people wealthy? I can guarantee there are a lot that keep people poor. If you have an alcoholic friend who asks you for $200 do you give it to them knowing they'll just buy alcohol with it?

Why don't we drug test the population at large?
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Because the population at large isn't on welfare. I think any effort to keep welfare recipients from using tax dollars to support their destructive habit is a good thing.

The saying "beggars can't be choosers" should not take on the meaning that beggars have no autonomy in a free society.
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When you have let yourself go far enough that you are essentially a ward of the state you have to expect the state to intrude into your life.

I guess the reasoning behind your logic is that the drug trade involves predatory behavior which is harder for beggars to avoid
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Nope, it is that drugs are expensive and debilitating which makes them extra harmful for low income communities as it saps them of the money they need to live while robbing them of the drive and motivation to get and keep a job.

I was no less harsh as a social worker on my clients with a smoking habit or a drinking habit for the very same reason, only many drugs are more exaggerated in their effects on a persons finances and drive.

and we are just protecting them by drug testing them
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Not that either. We are trying to ensure the money that the state gives them is used for food and rent and other responsible expenditures as intended rather than on their drug habit.

Reminds me of a funny story about drugging people in order to protect them from insolence and insubordinate behavior.
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Well, since your assumption of my premise was entirely fabricated by you it should be no surprise that it reminds of something...
 
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Chomsky said:
You know, there's some merit in this I think.

Even though it could/would still be construed to be anti-Muslim, it could be argued in national terms. But it's still problematic in that we may otherwise have good diplomatic relations with these countries (ex: Saufia Arabia, Qatar, etc.).

But right now the GOP Presidential nominee steadfastly & vehemently vows to enact a religious test before granting entry to America - and it is what it is.
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Not a religious test, that the lie you've been told. What has been proposed is that we close the door to immigration from any nation actively supporting terrorism, people like you extrapolated that to mean Muslims and made ti about their religion and not their actions.
 
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ocean515 said:
Um. There are over 100,000,000 receiving government assistance. While it's good to see 303 of them did not test positive for drugs, your claim, in light of the sample set size, is not supportable.
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It wasn't even a chemical test, it was a 50 question "drug test".
 
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faithful_servant said:
Noen of them were tested, it was jsut that none of them admitted to using drugs. Maybe they did, maybe they didn't, but this was no test, this was an interview...
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Really? I thought there was a drug test involved. It was just an interview? :doh

WTH?
 
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jmotivator said:
It wasn't even a chemical test, it was a 50 question "drug test".
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:shock:

I wasn't aware of that. Gee, I wonder if drug users ever lie about using? :liar

And this was a story proving it was a waste of time and money?
 
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ocean515 said:
Really? I thought there was a drug test involved. It was just an interview? :doh

WTH?
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...and the interviewees were told that if they admitted to drug use, then they would lose their benefits for six months... "Oh no ma'am, I have never used drugs in my entire life."
 
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faithful_servant said:
...and the interviewees were told that if they admitted to drug use, then they would lose their benefits for six months... "Oh no ma'am, I have never used drugs in my entire life."
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I'm speechless.....:boom

This thread is a complete farce.

I usually check links before commenting and I guess I missed the fact the test was a Q & A, and not an actual blood test.

The is absolutely ZERO that can be concluded if the test was just a Q & A.

Ridiculous.
 
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ocean515 said:
:shock:

I wasn't aware of that. Gee, I wonder if drug users ever lie about using? :liar

And this was a story proving it was a waste of time and money?
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Yeah, I think we can all agree that any such tes was a waste of money, but for different reasons. What I find funny is the claim by some that the program was a waste of money because it simply proved what they always believed that there isn't a drug problem with welfare recipients.

But yeah, here is the important passage from the OP:

"The program allows health department officials to require applicants to go through a drug test based on the results of the 50-question screening process. Refusal to do so disqualifies them from receiving financial assistance for six months. However, none of the applicants reportedly refused to go through the test."
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So basically, if you answer the 50 questions the way they want then there is no drug test. And people are shocked by the results...
 
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