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John Lewis leads sit-in on House floor over guns

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yeah...there ain't no problems in the USofA when it comes to guns and gun violence.

none at all....
 
Josie said:
So success isn't getting anything done -- it's just getting that soundbyte and/or video clip for their next election cycle. I got it.
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Josie, why do you not seem to understand my support for the sit-in in the house and the 15 hour fillibuster in the senate?

Am I angry at democrats because the bills failed in the senate? No. I was under no illusions about the chances of the bills. I expected party line votes and none of the bills reaching the 60 vote threshold.

The democrats are focused on this issue because they believe that the time for silence and inaction is over.
 
Henrin said:
Do you really think the problems in poor areas with high crime is really centered around guns? Maybe you should figure out why people are committing crimes instead of taking away their rights. Just a suggestion.
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do you believe they would be able to shoot folks without guns, henrin?
 
justabubba said:
do you believe they would be able to shoot folks without guns, henrin?
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Do you think that guns are the only way people kill each other? Do you think that perhaps gun laws won't stop everyone from having a gun? Maybe you should figure out why they are shooting each other in the first place.
 
justabubba said:
wrong
we need nationally what NY and CT did for their citizens
the elimination of military grade high rate of fire weapons from the public sector
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semiautomatic is not " high rate of fire"... it fires exactly 1 round for every pull of the trigger.... every semiautomatic has the same rate of fire, no matter if they are rifles or handguns.... that rate is 100% based upon how fast the operator can pull the trigger.

AR's, and equivalents, are not "military grade"... no military in the world employs them in their small arms arsenal... not one.
they are civilian semiautomatic rifles... nothing less, nothing more.


the very lest you can do is base your opinion on facts rather than ignorant and easily disproven propaganda.
 
justabubba said:
could that not to some degree be the result of the too easy accessibility to guns ... the very thing Lewis is attempting to address
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It could be the result of a lack of good parenting. It could be the result of them not being punished. It could be the result of unabashed hatred of their fellow men. It could be a result of politicians telling them they're victims. It could be a result of violence in video games. It could be the result of Tipper Gore not getting music censored. It could be a lot of things. So why take away a Constitutional right from law abiding citizens because he can't figure out what's going on within the communities whose rights he fought so hard for 50 years ago?
 
The sit-in has ended. The show is over and will be forgotten soon.

I'm hoping House Democrats got to express their nostalgia or their vicarious second life as a New Left 1960s protestor (because many were too young and said they wished they could have been there in the 60's)). That's all this accomplished.
 
Dragonfly said:
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yeah...there ain't no problems in the USofA when it comes to guns and gun violence.

none at all....
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The problem is that Liberals think gun control is the solution.

There we're 12 murders and 54 shootings on father's day weekend and Chicago has the strictest gun laws in the country. But, to bring that up is considered racist.
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
Josie, why do you not seem to understand my support for the sit-in in the house and the 15 hour fillibuster in the senate?

Am I angry at democrats because the bills failed in the senate? No. I was under no illusions about the chances of the bills. I expected party line votes and none of the bills reaching the 60 vote threshold.

The democrats are focused on this issue because they believe that the time for silence and inaction is over.
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Old CNN Reporting Reveals John Lewis Himself Was Once Added to Terror Watch List | Mediaite

This is why the democrats actions are so completely ****ing stupid. They are trying to govern with emotion. They are at the end of the day...children throwing tantrums.
 
justabubba said:
do you believe they would be able to shoot folks without guns, henrin?
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There will always be pressure cookers, IED's, homemade fire bombs. Bad people will always find a way.

That being said, there's no way to prevent a black market from springing up, if gun ownership was abolished.
 
apdst said:
The problem is that Liberals think gun control is the solution.

There we're 12 murders and 54 shootings on father's day weekend and Chicago has the strictest gun laws in the country. But, to bring that up is considered racist.
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10,000 dead in major cities every year...and the only time these elected jagoffs crawl out from under their rocks is during a 'mass shooting'.
 
iguanaman said:
Plenty of people have done just that I don't need to go myself.....How can you be so naive? Click on the link and you can watch it first hand.

Undercover: Gun bought, no questions asked
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If that's true, and I need more evidence than the word of a reporter out to create a story starting with a preconceived notion, then both the seller and buyer violated the laws. Both federal and local laws. Yet somehow more laws would have made this transaction impossible. Why is that?

One solution is to enforce the laws already on the books. Any word on anybody being arrested over this transaction?
 
So it's over. Now the Democrats are the party that will be remembered for wanting (mostly) Muslim Americans to be denied their Constitutional rights without due process. Great job, Dems!
 
justabubba said:
do you believe they would be able to shoot folks without guns, henrin?
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Come now...do you REALLY believe people can snort cocaine if it is illegal, banned, and cannot be sold in stores?
 
justabubba said:
do you believe they would be able to shoot folks without guns, henrin?
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You honestly think guns will just magically disappear like cocaine and heroin? Oh, wait....
 
Josie said:
So it's over. Now the Democrats are the party that will be remembered for wanting (mostly) Muslim Americans to be denied their Constitutional rights without due process. Great job, Dems!
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I'm rather disappointed in the GOP. They should have scheduled people to take turns talking through their sit in forcing them stay there and they should have had all their chairs removed from the assembly hall.
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
Josie, why do you not seem to understand my support for the sit-in in the house and the 15 hour fillibuster in the senate?

Am I angry at democrats because the bills failed in the senate? No. I was under no illusions about the chances of the bills. I expected party line votes and none of the bills reaching the 60 vote threshold.

The democrats are focused on this issue because they believe that the time for silence and inaction is over.
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You're being duped. The democrats are using you. If they were really serious about, "common sense gun regulation", the could have passed a bill in just a few days, when they controlled all three houses. Have you ever asked yourself why they didn't? Have you asked why the administration wants more criminals and fewer guns in the street?
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
Josie, why do you not seem to understand my support for the sit-in in the house and the 15 hour fillibuster in the senate?

Am I angry at democrats because the bills failed in the senate? No. I was under no illusions about the chances of the bills. I expected party line votes and none of the bills reaching the 60 vote threshold.

The democrats are focused on this issue because they believe that the time for silence and inaction is over.
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You realize your last sentence and your second sentence contradict each other. You say that Dems want to take action on gun control, but when given two gun control proposals - they voted AGAINST them. This is politics, United - nothing else.
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
Which is worse? Having emotions or showing no sign of emotion at all?
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How about you just don't let your emotions control your decision making. A man that is governed by reason is a great deal superior to the man governed by emotion.
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
Which is worse? Having emotions or showing no sign of emotion at all?
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You want emotions? Talk to me over a beer and a BBQ. You want common sense and responsible legislation? You go throw your tantrums and let the adults legislate.

Rushing to act on emotion and mindless ideology won an AR ban in New York...even though the New York PD Police Chief STATED CLEARLY...3 of 1400 rounds fired in all of New York could be attributed to a rifle of some sorts and NONE could be shown to be from an AR. Thats what childish emotion driven legislation does. If the democrat had their way, a Terror watch list that has included John Lewis, Ted Kennedy, Cat Stevens, a 7 month old baby and a 4 and 8 year old child would be used to deny people their Constitutional rights. Thats pretty stupid, isnt it? Rather than saying "lets fix that system" Democrats wet themselves and shrieked in a childish temper tantrum. And you support it.
 
Josie said:
So it's over. Now the Democrats are the party that will be remembered for wanting (mostly) Muslim Americans to be denied their Constitutional rights without due process. Great job, Dems!
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Many of the speeches throughout the day were self-congratulatory and nostalgic ( "I've never been more proud", gleeful laughter).

For the Left, I have long felt that they have so romanticized non-violent protest that the means themselves are the ends. There's no real end goal for this. The act of sitting is the action, not the passing of a bill, not the lobbying efforts or the late night phone calls.

That's never changed. Jackie Goldberg of the Free Speech Movement and Tom Hayden always said that they had to criticize professors, politicians, or lobbyists for their "armchair" actions, because once the process work doesn't end in the goal you want, you *must* take to "the streets." No matter the issue, whether it was that serious or not, whether your proposals would in any way address what you see as a bad thing. Take to the streets, sit down, take over buildings, shut everything down.

Tom Hayden once said (paraphrasing): "We at least knew we were doing something because we were going to jail."

Did state and federal laws change because of Goldberg or Hayden's actions? Did they gain momentum toward those ends? No. But they felt good because they got to physically express themselves and yell a lot.

Ever since then, the Left has fetishized the non-violent protest with very little else in their head.
 
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Dragonfly said:
600 posts in 24 hours.

yeah...there ain't no problems in the USofA when it comes to guns and gun violence.

none at all....
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"Gun violence" is an emotionally charged propaganda term. "Loon violence" is more accurate, in the instant case an apparently sexually confused and angry spurned loon situation.
 
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