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Several people injured in shooting at Florida gay club[W:133:159:195:317]

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Mithros said:
The real point is this:

Putting aside the connection to this attack, ISIS's goal is to make it impossible for devout Muslims to live in a western society. They want us to lump all Muslims together so that when we attack ISIS we're attacking all Muslims. They want our leaders to make declarations against Islam that they can use in propoganda to attract more people to their cause. Leaders in the US who are concerned with things other than winning the next election understand this. They know that words matter, and attacking Islam helps ISIS.

If a member of ISIS was posting on this forum, they would say the exact same things you're saying. Do you support ISIS? Because you're doing exactly what they want you to do.
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This is true of ISIS, al Quaida, Hamas, Hezbollah, and the other 500 Islamic terrorist organizations out there.

Imams preach it everywhere all the time.

It's simply the truth. Ignoring our doesn't change it.
 
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Erod said:
This is true of ISIS, al Quaida, Hamas, Hezbollah, and the other 500 Islamic terrorist organizations out there.

Imams preach it everywhere all the time.

It's simply the truth. Ignoring our doesn't change it.
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Exactly, ignoring the point doesn't change it. ISIS wants to paint the US as completely not accepting of Islam. They want to say to devout Muslims, You cannot be part of a western society. And ignoring that your statements benefit ISIS doesn't make it any less true.

Just out of curiosity, how often do you listen to Imams preach?
 
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Mithros said:
Exactly, ignoring the point doesn't change it. ISIS wants to paint the US as completely not accepting of Islam. They want to say to devout Muslims, You cannot be part of a western society. And ignoring that your statements benefit ISIS doesn't make it any less true.

Just out of curiosity, how often do you listen to Imams preach?
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The point is, this isn't just ISIS. This is a massive percentage of Islam in general.
 
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Erod said:
The point is, this isn't just ISIS. This is a massive percentage of Islam in general.
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And you'd prefer that percentage to increase, correct?
 
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ObamacareFail said:
What is already known is that the shooter was heard shouting "Allahu Akbar". What do you want to wait for...the coroner to uncover an ISIS or al queda logo tattooed on his backside?
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Why is it always so important for you guys to put a label on things within seconds of a tragic event? It always seems like you are so quick to politicize things and don't really give a damn about what happened. Also....get your facts straight. There is indication that the guy made a 911 call indicating he was doing it for ISIS, but his actions are inconsistent with the actions known to be used by ISIS agents. The whole idea of negotiating and taking hostages is not their M/O. It very likely could be a mentally disturbed man with no actually ties to ISIS. It is more consistent with that, then the former. It will take the FBI time to go through his apartment and search his background to come up with a more definitive explanation. Why are you so afraid to let the FBI do their job...why the rush to label without adequate information. Doh!
 
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Mithros said:
And you'd prefer that percentage to increase, correct?
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It seems to me that this message is getting a little stale.

Every Single Time one of these attacks occurs there is this immediate call for "not condemning all of Islam". This usually happens within the first sentence or two from whichever representative of the US government happens to be speaking. The problem with this message is it puts absolutely no pressure on the Islamic community to weed these people out of their ranks.

This problem only gets solved when the radicals have no safe haven.
 
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Mithros said:
And you'd prefer that percentage to increase, correct?
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So we just look past all of Islam's medieval and archaic ways, and continue to call it a peaceful, beautiful faith?
 
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I honestly thought that ISIS targeting the gay community might be the moment the Left finally takes Islamic terrorism seriously. Nope.
 
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TurtleDude said:
what does a born again tea-partier creationist have to do with this incident? I saw this shooter was a registered democrat though the DNC cannot be blamed for this horror
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i looked into this and it seems like 90% of muslims vote democrat, the party that doesn't want to deport them all. This probably explains why obama/hillary never mention islamic terror. IF (big if) the republican party ceases its near unanimous hatred of lgbt, the gay vote may actually flip. I do not believe it's possible for a party to maintain support of both demographics. Trump himself may already succeed at that because unlike cruz/huckabee/every other republican he hasn't been continuously gay bashing and has been saying all along what a threat muslims are

that's just my political assessment, not my personal views
 
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disneydude said:
Why is it always so important for you guys to put a label on things within seconds of a tragic event? It always seems like you are so quick to politicize things and don't really give a damn about what happened. Also....get your facts straight. There is indication that the guy made a 911 call indicating he was doing it for ISIS, but his actions are inconsistent with the actions known to be used by ISIS agents. The whole idea of negotiating and taking hostages is not their M/O. It very likely could be a mentally disturbed man with no actually ties to ISIS. It is more consistent with that, then the former. It will take the FBI time to go through his apartment and search his background to come up with a more definitive explanation. Why are you so afraid to let the FBI do their job...why the rush to label without adequate information. Doh!
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he was probably a deranged ****, but there's a reason he targeted a gay club, come on. You know very well it was religion

a deranged **** who isn't steered by religion to target certain victims, that is more like sandy hook
 
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