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IRS finally reveals list of tea party groups targeted for extra scrutiny

Anthony60 said:
IRS reveals list of tea party groups targeted for extra scrutiny - Washington Times

More than three years after it admitted to targeting tea party groups for intrusive scrutiny, the IRS has finally released a near-complete list of the organizations it snagged in a political dragnet.
The tax agency filed the list last month as part of a court case after a series of federal judges, fed up with what they said was the agency’s stonewalling, ordered it to get a move on. The case is a class-action lawsuit, so the list of names is critical to knowing the scope of those who would have a claim against the IRS.

Nothing wrong here, not a smidgen, right libs?
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No. A PAC or political group are not 'social welfare' groups and shouldn't be able to hide their donor list.

If the IRS targeted more conservative groups it's probably because more conservative groups tried to skirt the law.
 
domer76 said:
They fraudulently applied for 501 status when they weren't truly formed to promote social welfare. Comprende?
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That ruling was not made. They were just put on hold, so where do you get your information?
 
Mason66 said:
How can they investigate something that hadn't happened yet?

You are saying they were denied the status because of what they might do in the future.

That is not the way the country works.
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Um, the groups existed already. They were already performing actions. So, I'm not sure exactly what your objection is supposed to be.
 
Mason66 said:
That ruling was not made. They were just put on hold, so where do you get your information?
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Are you saying these groups with "Tea Party" and "patriot" in their names were not political and were formed immediately after Citizens United to promote social welfare? Are you that gullible?
 
Anthony60 said:
They started to target liberals groups in order to cover their tracks. Does it go all the way up to Obama? Who knows. But someone directed the IRS to cut down these conservative groups. Then IRS officials get up there and plead the 5th, or just lie.

Sure, nothing to see here. Ends justifies the means, right?
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There's nothing to see here because you've provided no evidence to support the supposed motivations you claim existed.
 
domer76 said:
Are you saying these groups with "Tea Party" and "patriot" in their names were not political and were formed immediately after Citizens United to promote social welfare? Are you that gullible?
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How do I know what they were formed for. They were never given the chance to operate, so we don't know.
 
Deuce said:
Um, the groups existed already. They were already performing actions. So, I'm not sure exactly what your objection is supposed to be.
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Exactly!!! No one was stopping anyone from forming these groups. They were trying to get tax exempt status. It is the IRS's responsibility to determine if a group qualified for such status.

They could continue to operate as usual. The only difference would be their tax status.
 
Mason66 said:
How do I know what they were formed for. They were never given the chance to operate, so we don't know.
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(laughing) Keep fooling yourself!
 
If those were liberal party groups being targeted and Bush were still in office the left would be LIGHTING THEMSELVES ON FIRE IN FRONT OF THE WHITE HOUSE.

but since it's the exact opposite, they sit quietly and play with their obama dolls. their hypocrisy is deafening
 
domer76 said:
After Citizens United, a huge number of these 501s suddenly appeared. Tax exempt organizations that were supposedly for social welfare. Now, unless you are totally ignorant, you know that is BS. The IRS has a duty to investigate these types of organizations. And words in the title such as "patriot" and so forth are red flags. They were bogus organizations for political purposes and you know it.
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The IRS denied these American citizens their right to due process. There were no investigations. There was nothing to investigate. The applications were stalled based purely on the IRS's perception that those groups were conservative; no other reason.
 
BWG said:
Exactly!!! No one was stopping anyone from forming these groups. They were trying to get tax exempt status. It is the IRS's responsibility to determine if a group qualified for such status.

They could continue to operate as usual. The only difference would be their tax status.
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It's their job to make sure the application is filled out properly and to accept, or deny the application.
 
domer76 said:
Are you saying these groups with "Tea Party" and "patriot" in their names were not political and were formed immediately after Citizens United to promote social welfare? Are you that gullible?
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The law says these groups only have be mostly for social programs and that they can participate in political activity. The, "mostly for social programs", part is the only standard they have to meet.
 
apdst said:
It's their job to make sure the application is filled out properly and to accept, or deny the application.
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Which includes verifying an organization is actually complying with 501C regulations.

apdst said:
The law says these groups only have be mostly for social programs and that they can participate in political activity. The, "mostly for social programs", part is the only standard they have to meet.
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And when a group walks around chanting "REMOVE THE USURPER OBAMA," compliance with that standard is called into question now isn't it?

An organization existing primarily for political activism doesn't meet the standard and is therefore not qualified for the tax exemption.
 
Deuce said:
Which includes verifying an organization is actually complying with 501C regulations.
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Which doesn't mean they can deny citizens their right to due process.



And when a group walks around chanting "REMOVE THE USURPER OBAMA," compliance with that standard is called into question now isn't it?
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In which case an audit is conducted and found to be in compluance, the group will be left alone.

An organization existing primarily for political activism doesn't meet the standard and is therefore not qualified for the tax exemption.
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An organization that exist primarily for social programs and secondarily for political activity, does.
 
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domer76 said:
They fraudulently applied for 501 status when they weren't truly formed to promote social welfare. Comprende?
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Ah, so it's really the IRS that are the heroes here and the persecuted groups the should be going to jail? Is that about right? Could be the most warped view on this that I've seen.
 
Anthony60 said:
Ah, so it's really the IRS that are the heroes here and the persecuted groups the should be going to jail? Is that about right? Could be the most warped view on this that I've seen.
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Ah, so the IRS shouldn't bother attempting to enforce its regulations? Is that about right?
 
Deuce said:
Which includes verifying an organization is actually complying with 501C regulations.
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A job that doesn't include stalling applications for political reasons.



And when a group walks around chanting "REMOVE THE USURPER OBAMA," compliance with that standard is called into question now isn't it?
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By itself, no. Unless you oppose free speech, too.

An organization existing primarily for political activism doesn't meet the standard and is therefore not qualified for the tax exemption.
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If the opposite is the case, then it does qualify.
 
JoeTrumps said:
If those were liberal party groups being targeted and Bush were still in office the left would be LIGHTING THEMSELVES ON FIRE IN FRONT OF THE WHITE HOUSE.

but since it's the exact opposite, they sit quietly and play with their obama dolls. their hypocrisy is deafening
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Your make believe "if/would" BS is just that. Feces
 
apdst said:
The IRS denied these American citizens their right to due process. There were no investigations. There was nothing to investigate. The applications were stalled based purely on the IRS's perception that those groups were conservative; no other reason.
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Let those organizations make their case first. And they couldn't. Don't piss on our legs and tell us it's raining. You know full well that they were frauds.
 
Erod said:
Because they show the roots of a future terrorist organization that isn't in line with any political party.
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"The" political party. Don't you know, the left is the only political party allowed to exist.
 
Deuce said:
Ah, so the IRS shouldn't bother attempting to enforce its regulations? Is that about right?
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There was no enforcement of the regulations.

They didn't make a ruling on any of the applications because that gave the group a right to an appeal.

Did you see some of the questions these groups were asked?

Nobody can defend what the IRS did.
 
domer76 said:
Let those organizations make their case first. And they couldn't. Don't piss on our legs and tell us it's raining. You know full well that they were frauds.
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Welo, sorry, it just doesn't work that way in our system. American citizens aren't required to prove their innocence, speaking of pissing down our backs and telling us it's raining.
 
apdst said:
Welo, sorry, it just doesn't work that way in our system. American citizens aren't required to prove their innocence, speaking of pissing down our backs and telling us it's raining.
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Innocent until proven guilty only applies in criminal trials. So try to get your message straight.

These groups, applying en masse, coincidentally right after Citizens United, should tell you something. They were obviously political in nature, not to promote social welfare.

Quit lying to yourself. Quit lying to us.
 
domer76 said:
Innocent until proven guilty only applies in criminal trials. So try to get your message straight.

These groups, applying en masse, coincidentally right after Citizens United, should tell you something. They were obviously political in nature, not to promote social welfare.

Quit lying to yourself. Quit lying to us.
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No it doesn't. Every American has the right to due process. The government is required by the law of the land to protect our right to due process.

The government can't punish people on a hunch, coincidence, or a twitch. That's called tyranny.
 
apdst said:
No it doesn't. Every American has the right to due process. The government is required by the law of the land to protect our right to due process.

The government can't punish people on a hunch, coincidence, or a twitch. That's called tyranny.
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They were appying for 501 status. Why do you think that should be granted carte blanche without investigation.

You're not another one of those tyranny freaks, are you?
 
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