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Clinton Hits 'Magic Number' of Delegates to Clinch Nomination

TobyOne said:
The socialists are going to freak. This will probably suppress Bernie voting tomorrow.
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Too much weed, funyuns, and Xbox will also play a role in suppressing the Berrnie vote
 
BrewerBob said:
Any of them? Well, since some of them have stated they will vote for Bernie my answer would be...yes?

Hillary's superdelegates switched over to Obama back in 2008. It happens. Do I think it is likely? No, I don't. Sure, something could come up with the investigation that would send Hillary's numbers crashing that might make them reconsider but it isn't likely. Certainly not impossible, though.

That said, even though I am a Bernie supporter, I wouldn't want Bernie to win with Superdelegates if he lost the popular vote. I am against Hillary winning that way and I would be against Bernie winning that way.
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I think you are correct and it's why, I think the number of superdelegates already pledged to Hillary will result in her nomination.

Again, assuming something doesn't happen with the investigation.
 
imyoda said:
Both CNBC and AP report Clintio0n now has the required amount of pledged and super delegates to secure the Democratic nomination for President………
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I guess I'm a little confused at what changed tonight that gave it to her. Just Superdelegates switching?
 
Abbazorkzog said:
Another spin campaign. Hillary still needs almost 600 delegates to clinch the nomination without these obnoxious Kangaroo Delegates.
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Are you factoring the number of delegates that she is projected to win tomorrow? Even if she looses all three contests 45-55 (and she is up by nearly 20 points in New Jersey as of three days ago, so not happening), then she would add about 320 pledged delegates to her total.

That would only leave her about 250 shy of the total needed.
 
MrWonka said:
I guess I'm a little confused at what changed tonight that gave it to her. Just Superdelegates switching?
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Not switching, just that new ones announced (obviously many have yet to declare as of yet).

Clinton reached the majority of 2,383 delegates with a combination of pledged and unpledged "super delegates." The new tally includes pledges from over a dozen new superdelegates as well as her accumulation of 36 pledged delegates in Sunday's Puerto Rico primary.
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Hillary clinches the nomination. The internet begins to explode.
I got my popcorn ready. :popcorn2:
 
ARealConservative said:
more clinton lies from the MSM. she needs those superdelegates, and they get added at the convention and not before.
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So did Obama and he was still declared the nominee. Because unless you are a fanatical believer the writing on the wall is obvious. It's like saying we don't really know who is going to be the next President because the electoral college hasn't certified the results.
 
Chomsky said:
Where you there?

(If you don't mind my asking)
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I guess it did read a little like that. No, I was celebrating in Cambodia. But the celebration was world-wide. :)
 
Abbazorkzog said:
Another spin campaign. Hillary still needs almost 600 delegates to clinch the nomination without these obnoxious Kangaroo Delegates.
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And like Obama she will clinch the nomination with those superdelegates and will have a major lead in pledged delegates and the popular vote. This race is effectively over and it will be actually over come tomorrow.
 
danarhea said:
So maybe Ted Cruz still has a chance? :mrgreen:
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If trump quits before the convention---given all the GOP Senators who unloaded on him today---trying to save their Senate, of course .
 
BrewerBob said:
I guess it did read a little like that. No, I was celebrating in Cambodia. But the celebration was world-wide. :)
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Yeah, it was amazing in Chicago too.

When the announcement came over CNN on the jumbotrons, it wasn't just the roar of the crowd and the vibes in in general, but those scattered black men and women in their 60's+ that shed the tears of having seen pre-civil-rights America. Obama closed the loop that had been ratified in 1964 in the modern era, and started earlier 1863 in the Civil War era.

It was poignant as hell.

I brought my then 12 y.o. to stay out way past midnight on a weekday schoolnight, so years and decades in the future when that night is being discussed in bars, on campuses, or read from books, he can say:

"Well, I was there - and here is what we saw and felt that night in the park! :thumbs:

He missed a half-day of school the next day, so I made him write a report on the night, and had him offer to read it as a presentation to those classes he missed. The instructors took him up on it, and he wore the T-Shirt I bought him that night in the park and he got to be a big-shot that day. No other kid in his grammar school besides him, was down there!



 
ARealConservative said:
more clinton lies from the MSM. she needs those superdelegates, and they get added at the convention and not before.
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LMAO!!!

Why do you just mention MSM? DO you mean ALL media?

I mean dont get me wrong Fox News and MSNBC are the Micheal Jordan and Lebron James of lies but what news are you talking about and what is the lie?

CNN
Hillary Clinton clinches Democratic presidential nomination - CNNPolitics.com

Reuters
Clinton clinches Democratic presidential nomination: AP and NBC | Reuters

Fox
Clinton has delegates to win Dem nomination, AP reports; Sanders questions tally | Fox News

LA Times
Clinton clinches Democratic nomination, making history on eve of California primary - LA Times

ABC
Hillary Clinton Has Enough Delegates to Clinch Democratic Nomination, ABC News Estimates - ABC News

Time
http://time.com/4357448/hillary-clinton-clinches-democratic-nomination/

MSNBC
http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/hillary-clinton-makes-history


BBC
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-36466228

USA Today
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...llary-clinton-democratic-nomination/85485764/

Wall STreet Journal
http://www.wsj.com/articles/hillary-clinton-seeks-to-close-out-democratic-primary-race-1465256644

I get it that things "could" change but this isnt abnormal to call it. I dont really see the factual lie "In this case"
 
Chomsky said:
Good point.

But something about it feels anticlimactic.

If she wins the general, I doubt it is going to be anything like the night I celebrated with 1M others in Grant Park 8 years ago ...
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I must have seen you there!

I got a good pic of that night, though!

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MrT said:
Are you factoring the number of delegates that she is projected to win tomorrow? Even if she looses all three contests 45-55 (and she is up by nearly 20 points in New Jersey as of three days ago, so not happening), then she would add about 320 pledged delegates to her total.

That would only leave her about 250 shy of the total needed.
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True enough, more or less.
 
Sherman123 said:
And like Obama she will clinch the nomination with those superdelegates and will have a major lead in pledged delegates and the popular vote. This race is effectively over and it will be actually over come tomorrow.
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Hahaha, I would hardly call it a 'major lead'.
 
Threegoofs said:
I must have seen you there!

I got a good pic of that night, though!

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As soon as Ohio fell, my boy & I were on the O'hare el to Jackson Blvd - it was packed.

We ended-up hanging-out in the park at Jackson Blvd, maybe 100-150 yards east of Mich Ave. Didn't see any need to push in further.

My boy had the night of his life!
 
Nilly said:
So for the first time in this countries history, a woman has been nominated for office by one of the major political parties. It doesn't really feel like it because of how long Hillary has been in the spotlight but that's actually kind of a big deal.
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it appears for lots of people, that is the main reason to vote for the Lying Bitch
 
Captain America said:
I got this on my FaceBook page. It was posted by one of those Bernie or Bust people I think.

As you may have heard, media outlets plan to announce Hillary as the Democratic nominee before all states have finished voting on Tuesday. To be clear, this is because they have been including superdelegates in their numbers since day one. This is misleading and incorrect as superdelegates do not vote until the national convention. Neither Bernie nor Hillary can clinch this nomination with the number of delegates remaining. This is going all the way to the convention. The media is trying to break our spirits. Do not let them.
Angry about this? Good. You should be.Want to do something about it?
1. VOTE. Do not let anyone discourage you. Every single vote counts.
2. If you’re in line on Tuesday, don’t let those around you leave. ‪#‎HoldTheLine‬
3. Share this post.
4. Let your friends and family know about this, and make sure they will still vote.
5. Phonebank (https://www.berniepb.com) and Facebank (Invite friends who like Bernie Sanders to events on Facebook). What better way to stick it to the establishment than by having an absolutely YUGE turnout?
6. Don’t use mainstream media on Tuesday.
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Technically this :

"Neither Bernie nor Hillary can clinch this nomination with the number of delegates remaining."

Is not true. There are more delegates left than there are superdelegates. If she gets 80% or more of the delegates tomorrow, she'll clinch it.

As a practical matter, i think that's unlikely. My expectation is more like a 60/40 split. And the matter won't be settled as a matter of formality until July when the superdelegates make their decision. If 60/40 holds till then, that gives Sanders about what Hillary has now, and so he could still get the nomination with superdelegates. And i think he's not seriously planning to flip the delegates, but he's going to see this through and send the best message he can.
 
ARealConservative said:
more clinton lies from the MSM. she needs those superdelegates, and they get added at the convention and not before.
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And not even one will go against the will of the voters and switch to Sanders. This is a democracy and the voters have spoken, Sanders lost and it's time for him to admit it. You had a good run but it's time for the main event. No one wants to hear about him now.
 
ARealConservative said:
more clinton lies from the MSM. she needs those superdelegates, and they get added at the convention and not before.
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And why do you think they will change their minds?
 
Chillfolks said:
It's good to see Debbie was able to lie, cheat, and steal her candidate of choice into the presumptive nomination.
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This process has been in effect since the 80s. Do some homework
 
BrewerBob said:
Any of them? Well, since some of them have stated they will vote for Bernie my answer would be...yes?

Hillary's superdelegates switched over to Obama back in 2008. It happens. Do I think it is likely? No, I don't. Sure, something could come up with the investigation that would send Hillary's numbers crashing that might make them reconsider but it isn't likely. Certainly not impossible, though.

That said, even though I am a Bernie supporter, I wouldn't want Bernie to win with Superdelegates if he lost the popular vote. I am against Hillary winning that way and I would be against Bernie winning that way.
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I meant the ones already committed for Hillary. Nothing is impossible until the convention, but she was only missing 23 delegates to win the nomination, again assuming that all of the superdelegtes that are already committed to vote for her actually do. Bernie had no shot in hell.
 
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