Foxconn replaces '60,000 factory workers with robots'[W:45:107]

Kal'Stang said:

Foxconn replaces '60,000 factory workers with robots'



I've been saying for quite awhile now that we need to start thinking about what to do when companies start ditching humans in favor of automation. Particularly with the advances in robotics more and more companies are going to go automated. So does anyone really believe anymore that this isn't going to happen? What do you think needs done to handle this situation?

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I wonder how many of them robots will being buying iPads ?

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Carjosse said:

Apple is a luxury brand because it charges people for the value of owning an Apple brand product. They charge substantially more than what an equivalent non-Apple computer would cost because they can charge people a lot solely because they are Apple. This is further evidenced by the fact that about two years ago Apple began hiring former executives of luxury brands.

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This is not true at all. First off, Apple uses substantially better hardware in their Macbooks than do most top of the line Windows manufactorers. If you compare side by side the quality of the internal specs, coupled with the amazing quality finish that allows my Macbook to be thinner than a notebook of paper, the prices are not much different at all. Let's not even try to compare battery life which is so incredibly better on Mac simply because the OS isn't a resource hog. Sure, you aren't gonna be able to beat a 400 dollar Asus laptop. Those laptops have junk hardware, and have heating issues that only get worse the more time that you own it.

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This is a comparable Asus laptop to the Macbook Pro 13 inch. The one I have has I believe exact replicated specs, except the Asus has worse integrated graphics.

ASUS ZENBOOK UX305CA-OHM7-WH Intel M 8GB Memory 512GB SSD 13.3-inch QHD+ IPS Laptop-CRYSTAL WHITE >ASUS STORE

I was never talking about gaming PC's. I built my last PC last year for around 1,500. It can still play whatever I want and if I want a powerful PC, I will use that. When I want a mobile,slim, laptop that allows me to code on my couch or allows me to bring it easily around with me, I take my Mac. No longer do I need to worry that my battery will die after watching a 30 minute Youtube video, and I can keep it on my lap without cooking my skin.

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Carjosse said:

You don't buy a Dell for looks you buy them because you want a cheap computer. If you want something that looks great build it yourself, or get one of the many specialized builders to do it.

And that one is substantially more powerful.

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SLI and cheap don't go together. This computer is easily over 1,000 if it was put together when the parts inside it were not too old.

Soon no one will be able to buy all these fancy stuff.

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cabse5 said:

If the cost of labor is less than the cost of robotics, owners will employ more laborers. If the cost of robotics is less than the cost of labor, owners will employ more robotics. This is evident in our traditional economy.

If our economy is more socialist or government driven, higher wages and benefits will be given with the highest tax rates possible. This is also evident.

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And then the companies, followed shortly by their governments, fail. This is also evident.

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jmotivator said:

Creating a higher cost of doing business for companies that automate is protecting a job from being modernized. Making it cost more to use robots makes human employees viable longer.

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Who is doing that?

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ajn678 said:

SLI and cheap don't go together. This computer is easily over 1,000 if it was put together when the parts inside it were not too old.

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Have you ever seen how much an iMac costs for something much less powerful? With the new 1080 SLI is not really necessary.

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Once automation hits the event horizon, point of no return we will have to establish a basic income that is given to ALL people. Then find ways for them to feel inspired to earn more than just sitting around on basic standard of living.

Automation becomes strong enough that everyone is handed a basic standard of living check. Putting in 40 hours of labor gives you about double the standard.

Then change to a raw resource based economy where the money is based on all available material on earth and not allow people to stockpile huge amounts of raw resource for investment purposes. Like no allowing some tycoon to buy up all the alluminum in a town and price gouge. But some tycoon could plan 3D printing and buy the needed amount of metal to make stuff to sell.

But then youd have to have restrictions where people couldnt spend their "free" basic standard of living allowance on luxury stuff.

Would probably tie into social media type stuff like if you think of great ideas and share them, and someone uses it then you get extra credit. (spending cash that you can choose to use on luxury or business)

I have no idea where the crossing threshhold is for giving everyone a free standard check though (so they dont riot and destroy everything)

Probably after all trains and semi trucks are self driving. And we have hydroponic farms that are 90%+ automated.

Will definately have to put restrictions on people mass material stockpiling though because once profit becomes robotic it would be very easy for 1 super corporation to buy EVERYTHING and then checkmate free society. (including landspace, not just common resources)

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Carjosse said:

Have you ever seen how much an iMac costs for something much less powerful? With the new 1080 SLI is not really necessary.

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Eventually. One way or another. Computation = to real life realism WILL cost 5$.

There will be no xbox's being sold for 500 bucks.

People will have to learn to value handcrafted stuff. Or human interaction. Like reading old people stories in retirement homes.

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Carjosse said:

Have you ever seen how much an iMac costs for something much less powerful? With the new 1080 SLI is not really necessary.

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Yea, I'm not talking about iMacs and never have been. I was specifically speaking about their MacBooks. Like I said, if I wanted a powerful desktop, I would build it myself.

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ajn678 said:

Yea, I'm not talking about iMacs and never have been. I was specifically speaking about their MacBooks. Like I said, if I wanted a powerful desktop, I would build it myself.

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How is your one port working out?

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Carjosse said:

How is your one port working out?

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That's only on the newest MacBooks, the MacBook Pros still have all of the normal ports.

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Winchester said:

Get some training in robotics repair.

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Robots will be repairing themselves so enough.

Kal'Stang said:

That's a good start. What happens when McD type jobs are automated and people can no longer get a job that pays their way through college? Do you think that's when wealth redistribution will become necessary? Assuming that we're still tied to money. Do you think that maybe humans can learn to be less materialistically inclined and thereby eliminate or drastically reduce the need for money?

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We currently have state created and run institutions of higher learning, IE taxpayer funded and created. Maybe the taxpayer should get better bang for the buck and have the institutions put every thing online, and just do labs and tests and documentation on the campus. This allows people to get educated very inexpensively.

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MrT said:

Adidas also recently moved back to Germany, but this time with robots.

I have to believe that the obvious solution is the basic income. Everyone will be given a pay check regardless of whether they are employed. Especially once AI becomes a lot more prominent, the necessity for humans to perform jobs will become increasingly unnecessary. As it currently stands, robots are projected replace about five million jobs by 2020 and roughly half of all of the currently existing jobs can be replaced by automation within the next few decades.

As Stephen Hawking notes, the greatest threat to humanity is not AI, but wealth inequality.

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ludin said:

robotics is a huge industry with a ton of people that work in it.



robots can't program themselves. software updates, bug glitches etc ... all still need to be done by humans. automated systems still break and need to be looked at.
we are not at the level of AI which would mean that it can look after itself and fix itself. the coding behind that is huge.



not until the AI gets smarter and is able to do it. which is still a long way off.

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+1

There will be plenty of jobs opening up as the baby boomers retire. I design parts and electronic circuits. I also am certified in c language. Machines have a long way to go before they can design, or create art, or architecture . All of the largest workforce in history is about to retire. Don't let them fill it all with 1hb visas. Learn how to do something creative. Be good at it and the world will beat a path to your door.