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Here's who buys the most weapons from the U.S.

DA60 said:
Lol...hey, hyper boy.

It's an article I read whose contents I passed on. I didn't write the thing or agree/disagree with it.

Why you people get so worked up over nothing is beyond me.

Speaks volumes about your lives, I guess.


We are done here.
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"Worked up?" Sounds like projection to me. You're reading posts how you want to read them. :shrug: Have a nice day.
 
Tigerace117 said:
Geography.

Take a look at those countries' neighbors(or at least the countries in the general vicinity)

Turkey---- not too far away from Russia. And the Caucasus States are hardly a buffer.

South Korea--- oh hi North Korea.

Australia--- China. Also possibly Indonesia.

Taiwan--- China

India--- China

Singapore--- China

Iraq--- ISIS, total chaos

Egypt--- ISIS, what used to be Libya
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The UK--- Ireland

Romania/Bulgaria--- Serbia
 
Tigerace117 said:
I don't know how much Ireland counts though. Particularly when you compare it to North Korea
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This is true, although I think if the UK were to leave the EU it could result in a much stronger Ireland and weaker (even divided) UK (which is probably why the U.S. doesn't want Britain out of the EU, and Russia wants the opposite, just my opinion/theory).
 
Abbazorkzog said:
This is true, although I think if the UK were to leave the EU it could result in a much stronger Ireland and weaker (even divided) UK (which is probably why the U.S. doesn't want Britain out of the EU, and Russia wants the opposite, just my opinion/theory).
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Possibly, but I wouldn't count on it. I don't know why England would give up Ulster due to leaving the EU, and that's the only way Ireland would be strengthened. Scotland, on the other hand, is pretty pro EU from what I've heard so it's possible if England leaves Scotland would jump ship.
 
Dragonfly said:
Here's who buys the most weapons from the U.S. - CNNPolitics.com



Ummm....WHY???




Why on hell's half-acre are we selling so much to everybody else???

Is it purely capitalism?
Is it all about the money?

Seems truly odd that the USofA seems so friggin frightened of being invaded by everybody out there, yet we'll sell weapons to just about anybody out there who wants them.

This kind of crap is going to bite us hard one day.
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The US was founded by business for business. That fact never changed.
 
Really? Because last time I checked, businessmen make poor lawmakers. The American principles we operate on are not for profit.
 
Tigerace117 said:
Possibly, but I wouldn't count on it. I don't know why England would give up Ulster due to leaving the EU, and that's the only way Ireland would be strengthened. Scotland, on the other hand, is pretty pro EU from what I've heard so it's possible if England leaves Scotland would jump ship.
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Yup. And the threat of border-controls being instituted would probably play into N. Ireland seeking greater autonomy due to the newly-isolated status of the UK (unless Trump or another Republican becomes President) and cozying up to Scotland and Ireland. Hell, Ireland and Scotland might unite to become a major player in the stead of the UK, a "Gael" state of sorts filling the void previously held by the UK in the EU. Who knows? A few years ago nobody would've thought possible the prospect of the UK leaving the EU, let alone Scots secession from the UK. That is quickly and readily becoming a very unpredictable region of Europe.
 
Abbazorkzog said:
Yup. And the threat of border-controls being instituted would probably play into N. Ireland seeking greater autonomy due to the newly-isolated status of the UK (unless Trump or another Republican becomes President) and cozying up to Scotland and Ireland. Hell, Ireland and Scotland might unite to become a major player in the stead of the UK, a "Gael" state of sorts filling the void previously held by the UK in the EU. Who knows? A few years ago nobody would've thought possible the prospect of the UK leaving the EU, let alone Scots secession from the UK. That is quickly and readily becoming a very unpredictable region of Europe.
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True true. Though at least it's not a volatile one anymore.
 
Celebrity said:
Really? Because last time I checked, businessmen make poor lawmakers. The American principles we operate on are not for profit.
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That is a most naïve statement IMO.

Every presidential election in the last 20 years claim that the candidate A or B controls the economy, even though that is not in the job description for POTUS, as found in Article II of the Constitution.

Most legislation in the last 20 years are so are written by and for businesses and businessmen, whether it be healthcare and the insurance industry or banking and wall street interests. Lobbyists rule inside the Beltway, and one must be quite naïve to be unaware of that fact.

Legislation and policy is determined by special interests at every step of the way, as Ike warned against.
 
Dragonfly said:
Here's who buys the most weapons from the U.S. - CNNPolitics.com



Ummm....WHY???
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Probably because we make the best weapons.




Why on hell's half-acre are we selling so much to everybody else???

Is it purely capitalism?
Is it all about the money?
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Of course. Is there something wrong with that?

Seems truly odd that the USofA seems so friggin frightened of being invaded by everybody out there, yet we'll sell weapons to just about anybody out there who wants them.

This kind of crap is going to bite us hard one day.
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I can't imagine why.
 
fmw said:
Of course. Is there something wrong with that?
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Can you ask dead people that question?

Morality. Ethics.

Have you ever heard the phrase: Just because you can, doesn't mean you should.

Should we sell drugs to make a profit? Heroin and Cocaine can register a rather high profit margin. Why not sell that to other countries?
It's just for profit, so it can't be wrong. Right?
 
Dragonfly said:
Can you ask dead people that question?

Morality. Ethics.
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It isn't an issue of morality or ethics. It is an issue of business. What would be the advantage of Russia supplying the weapons instead? Would that be more ethical?

Have you ever heard the phrase: Just because you can, doesn't mean you should.
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Yes and we should. It helps reduce the trade deficit.

Should we sell drugs to make a profit? Heroin and Cocaine can register a rather high profit margin. Why not sell that to other countries?
It's just for profit, so it can't be wrong. Right?
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The subject is weapons. Going off on a tangent doesn't strengthen your position.
 
Dragonfly said:
Can you ask dead people that question?

Morality. Ethics.

Have you ever heard the phrase: Just because you can, doesn't mean you should.

Should we sell drugs to make a profit? Heroin and Cocaine can register a rather high profit margin. Why not sell that to other countries?
It's just for profit, so it can't be wrong. Right?
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I'm of the opinion that USA lacks the structures necessary to accommodate the production of these drugs on a large scale. Methamphetamines on the other hand, can be synthesized. If you let the market decide, wouldn't that end the war on drugs? It might be a bloody end, but it would allow producers a legitimate business rather than a front.
 
fmw said:
It isn't an issue of morality or ethics. It is an issue of business. What would be the advantage of Russia supplying the weapons instead? Would that be more ethical?



Yes and we should. It helps reduce the trade deficit.



The subject is weapons. Going off on a tangent doesn't strengthen your position.
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I wonder what the right term would be to describe a business model void of moral considerations, one that rejects moral and ethical considerations?
 
Thoreau72 said:
I wonder what the right term would be to describe a business model void of moral considerations, one that rejects moral and ethical considerations?
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A normal business plan. I've written and read many of them. Business plans are designed to attract investment. They deal with business and financial information and projections. They don't go beyond that. Apparently you have a problem with international weapons sales but they do exist. No reason to deal the U.S. manufacturers out of the market place.
 
fmw said:
A normal business plan. I've written and read many of them. Business plans are designed to attract investment. They deal with business and financial information and projections. They don't go beyond that. Apparently you have a problem with international weapons sales but they do exist. No reason to deal the U.S. manufacturers out of the market place.
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A normal business plan?

Actually, under this scenario we discuss, there could be possible types of normal business plans.

One would be guided by moral principles and ethics, while the other, the one you alluded to in your other post, would be a plan which disregarded moral principles and ethics. Type A, and Type B.
 
Thoreau72 said:
A normal business plan?

Actually, under this scenario we discuss, there could be possible types of normal business plans.

One would be guided by moral principles and ethics, while the other, the one you alluded to in your other post, would be a plan which disregarded moral principles and ethics. Type A, and Type B.
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People can be guided by moral principles. Business plans are guided by business and financial principles. Nothing wrong with morality in business and being a good corporate citizen. Nothing wrong with manufacturing and selling weapons either.
 
fmw said:
People can be guided by moral principles. Business plans are guided by business and financial principles. Nothing wrong with morality in business and being a good corporate citizen. Nothing wrong with manufacturing and selling weapons either.
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Yes, they can indeed be guided by moral principles, in all walks of life.

But when one claims that business "is not an issue of morality or ethics", a reader or listener might easily think that the speaker, in this statement, is NOT guided by moral or ethical principles.

See what I mean?

When business plans and practices lead to a situation in which the management is being paid 400 times what the average worker is being paid, an observer might conclude that moral and ethical considerations are not any part of the business plan. One might think that any moral or ethical considerations are deliberately avoided.
 
Thoreau72 said:
Yes, they can indeed be guided by moral principles, in all walks of life.

But when one claims that business "is not an issue of morality or ethics", a reader or listener might easily think that the speaker, in this statement, is NOT guided by moral or ethical principles.

See what I mean?

When business plans and practices lead to a situation in which the management is being paid 400 times what the average worker is being paid, an observer might conclude that moral and ethical considerations are not any part of the business plan. One might think that any moral or ethical considerations are deliberately avoided.
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No, I don't see what you mean. Management salaries have nothing at all to do with ethics. They are a financial issue. Most managers are ethical and some are not. It is no different than in any other kind of occupation.
 
fmw said:
No, I don't see what you mean. Management salaries have nothing at all to do with ethics. They are a financial issue. Most managers are ethical and some are not. It is no different than in any other kind of occupation.
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If a man cannot perceive any ethical or moral considerations in the ratio of salaries and compensation, who am I to try to explain? I learned long ago that the color blind cannot see color and those blind to ethical or moral considerations simply cannot see them. :peace
 
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