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Teenager Sues Over Being Pulled From Bike, Tasered and Arrested Outside Tacoma Mall

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Then the judge is a ****ing idiot because all that's needed for an initial stop is "reasonable suspicion". You'd hope a judge would know that.


The guy was acting as a security guard not a police officer. A whole different level of what the guy can do in such situations
 
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The guy was acting as a security guard not a police officer. A whole different level of what the guy can do in such situations

We have cops here that work as security at football games, grocery stores and movie theaters. It's overtime for them and they wear their uniforms and you bet they could do an arrest if they witness a crime. Haven't seen it at the mall though.
 
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When I saw him fling her around like a rag doll, I think at that time he had lost it. That will be a critical point in the suit, over reaction from a trained LEO. Your thoughts?

"Like a rag doll", is a bit of an exaggeration. You barely have a point, so let's don't get carried away.
 
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The guy was acting as a security guard not a police officer. A whole different level of what the guy can do in such situations

Most states have laws that declared cops to be on duty at all times. It's a smart law.
 
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Then the judge is a ****ing idiot because all that's needed for an initial stop is "reasonable suspicion". You'd hope a judge would know that.

The rent-a-cop didn't have it.
 
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In this case there was no cop, (he was off duty

...and she was clairvoyant and instantly knew he was off duty. And that is why she gave him lip exercising her constitutional rights to free speech?
 
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He had no authority to stop her in the first place. She was well within her rights to ride away.

He may have had probable cause. You don't know he didn't.
 
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He may have had probable cause. You don't know he didn't.

I know that a judge found he did not and dismissed the charges against her.
 
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Was that the only "clear" analysis because you agreed with it? :2razz:

I thought BrewerBob's was pretty good too.

Thanks. But my analysis was based on the assumption she was being legally detained. IF, as some are saying, she was not under arrest or being detained, THEN the force was excessive because there never should have been any force. If you are not under arrest or detained you have the right to cut contact with a police office and leave. But I don't know what the case was here.
 
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The guy was acting as a security guard not a police officer.

That actually makes it simpler for guard's side because he was authorized by the owners of a private property - the mall - to check if the mall guests are legitimate customers or hell raising punks. Malls being private allow their owners to kick any ass out if they deem the ass's behavior in violation of their rules.
 
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I know that a judge found he did not and dismissed the charges against her.

...because the judge didn't that mall burnt to the ground next weekend by the Black Punks Matter civil right movement.
 
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Was that the only "clear" analysis because you agreed with it? :2razz:

I thought BrewerBob's was pretty good too.

Tell the truth I did not read all the posts.
 
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...because the judge didn't that mall burnt to the ground next weekend by the Black Punks Matter civil right movement.

Looks like there was a brush fire somewhere north of the mall two months after this incident, which was two years ago. I don't know why you're implying the judge or "Black Punks Matter" had anything to do with it.
 
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...because the judge didn't that mall burnt to the ground next weekend by the Black Punks Matter civil right movement.

I know this is off topic, but did you change your gender symbol?

As for your comment, what in the world are you talking about?
 
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I know this is off topic, but did you change your gender symbol?

As for your comment, what in the world are you talking about?

Yes. I am a woman now, hoping to get a reality show.

Blacks are known to express their opinions by setting cities on fire and the judge in this case knew it. The picture below shows their version of respect for jury verdicts.

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The date: APRIL 29, 1992

BTW, I missed the word "want" in my post 36. My bad.
 
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That actually makes it simpler for guard's side because he was authorized by the owners of a private property - the mall - to check if the mall guests are legitimate customers or hell raising punks. Malls being private allow their owners to kick any ass out if they deem the ass's behavior in violation of their rules.

Riding a bicycle through a parking lot makes someone a "hell raising punk?"
 
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Riding a bicycle through a parking lot makes someone a "hell raising punk?"

or a "legitimate customers".

What do you believe the outcome would have been if the "victim" would have stayed in place, answered questions in a non agitated way?
Wish the vid had sound, would have liked to hear what the "victim" was saying while waving arms about.
 
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Riding a bicycle through a parking lot makes someone a "hell raising punk?"

Any 17-year-old I didn't invite riding a bike on my property is a "hell raising punk". And I want him gone.
 
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Hmmm, there have definitely been plenty of videos showing excessive force but I don't think this is such a case. He doesn't lay hands on her until it looks like she is about to try and ride away. That was appropriate force. She resists. He gets more forceful. She resists. He tries to take her down. She resists. He grabs her hair to better control her and take her down. He tries this several times and she resists.

At this point he has 3 choices. Let her go. Taze her. Get even more physical with her, which could injure her even worse.

I'm the furthest thing from a police apologist but in this case the officer didn't go overboard. If he had gone straight to the tazer or yanked her off the bike by her hair and slammed her at the first flinch of movement I would be all over him. But it looks as though he kept trying to use the minimal amount of force necessary and escalated incrementally as she continued to resist.

Goodness, I couldn't disagree more. This was a BS stop. When she tries to "run away" on a bike in a parking lot, unarmed, what the hell can happen? And why not just stop the bike? Put a hand on the bar and it's stopped. No, this dickhead then decides to arrest someone over nothing, then can't handle a young girl and goes to the TAZER? There was no need for a tazer - she's no threat to him or anyone else - he's just an asshole who was pissed she didn't do as ordered, and instead of whacking her with a club, uses electricity for the same effect.

And I'd like for someone to point out the law broken here for the stop. Bikes almost everywhere are legitimate on any road and unless prohibited OK in any parking lot, and I'm not sure they can be prohibited where cars are allowed.
 
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Any 17-year-old I didn't invite riding a bike on my property is a "hell raising punk". And I want him gone.

And if you're a mall, then you'll cut out a lot of customers, so they in fact do 'invite' 17 year olds and younger and older from their property, and a bike is as legitimate a way to get there as a car, bus, walking, etc.
 
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A police officer and a punk are not equal parties in a conflict.

Punks must obey cops.

Cops do not have to obey punks, or even listen to them.

Authoritarian really should be a political lean on this place....:roll:
 
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Authoritarian really should be a political lean on this place....:roll:

I have been saying that for years.
 
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Goodness, I couldn't disagree more. This was a BS stop. When she tries to "run away" on a bike in a parking lot, unarmed, what the hell can happen? And why not just stop the bike? Put a hand on the bar and it's stopped. No, this dickhead then decides to arrest someone over nothing, then can't handle a young girl and goes to the TAZER? There was no need for a tazer - she's no threat to him or anyone else - he's just an asshole who was pissed she didn't do as ordered, and instead of whacking her with a club, uses electricity for the same effect.

And I'd like for someone to point out the law broken here for the stop. Bikes almost everywhere are legitimate on any road and unless prohibited OK in any parking lot, and I'm not sure they can be prohibited where cars are allowed.

See my post #34.
 
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Yes. I am a woman now, hoping to get a reality show.

Blacks are known to express their opinions by setting cities on fire and the judge in this case knew it. The picture below shows their version of respect for jury verdicts.

The date: APRIL 29, 1992

BTW, I missed the word "want" in my post 36. My bad.

Well, that's a great point because all blacks are the same, ya know...

Whites are known to express their opinion by bombing federal buildings.

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Well, that's a great point because all blacks are the same, ya know...

Whites are known to express their opinion by bombing federal buildings.

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I didn't write "all". You did.

How does Oklahoma bombing make my post untrue?
 
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