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Even supporters agree: Clinton has weaknesses as a candidate. What can she do?

Wait until the Obama DOJ lets her get away with something that would have put the average American in prison for years

Establishment is all the rage the election cycle.. :roll:... ...sa corrupt above the law establishment candidate will be a sure thing in Nov, am i right?
 
ludin said:
Dead heat: Trump, Clinton tied in 3 swing-state polls - POLITICO

yet it is closer than people think it is. hmm odd.

the fact that she is under an FBI investigation and the moronic left is still voting for her tells us how low brow
they really are and that frankly they could careless.

that is what is the most disappointing.
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Lol@Politico's 1 poll, vs RCP's 7-8 polls all won by Hillary.

Redress said:
A very large number of people find her unappealing. She is a weak candidate. She is not as unappealing as Trump, and a much stronger candidate that Sanders. She is the favorite to win in November, but it is only May, so that does not mean much.
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Fletch said:
Shes really only had one competitor in this race so far and that is Sanders. And she hasn't officially put him away yet. As for her leading the polls against Trump. That is nothing to write home about since he might be the only person more 'unappealing' than she is. And as for the word itself--unappealing--that strikes me as a polite way of saying the woman is unlikable.
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Again, if the issue is being unappealing, she can definitely claim to be more appealing than both Trump and EVERYONE ELSE IN THIS RACE in either party. Out of the dozen or so candidates in the GOP not ONE of them has managed to beat Hillary in numbers. In the Dem side, the same can be said. So what does that say for her appeal? That she is far more appealing than everyone else in the race.

She has not only garnered more votes, she actually only really needs 29 electoral votes if we only count the states which have reliably gone Democrat for the last 30 years or so.

Where you guys see 'unappealing' everyone else has seen a winner.
 
Hatuey said:
Lol@Politico's 1 poll, vs RCP's 7-8 polls all won by Hillary.





Again, if the issue is being unappealing, she can definitely claim to be more appealing than both Trump and EVERYONE ELSE IN THIS RACE in either party. Out of the dozen or so candidates in the GOP not ONE of them has managed to beat Hillary in numbers. In the Dem side, the same can be said. So what does that say for her appeal? That she is far more appealing than everyone else in the race.

She has not only garnered more votes, she actually only really needs 29 electoral votes if we only count the states which have reliably gone Democrat for the last 30 years or so.

Where you guys see 'unappealing' everyone else has seen a winner.
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Being the least smelly turd in the litter box does make it an appealing turd. Its still cat ****
 
reinoe said:
Hillary Clinton's problem is that the more you get to know her the less you like her. Trump's problem is that he makes stupid self-inflicting gaffes. Trump can change his image, but Hillary can't.
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Trump can't change his past anymore than Hillary can and Trump has far more to run away from.
 
reinoe said:
Hillary Clinton's problem is that the more you get to know her the less you like her. Trump's problem is that he makes stupid self-inflicting gaffes. Trump can change his image, but Hillary can't.
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Yeah, I don't like Trump, but there are moments in one-on-one interviews where he seems capable of dropping the facade and appearing human and almost likeable. The excerpts I have seen from his recent Megyn Kelly interview where he actually admits to his own shortcomings was something I've never seen from Trump. I still don't like him but I've never seen anything like that from Hillary.
 
Fenton said:
Wait until the Obama DOJ lets her get away with something that would have put the average American in prison for years

Establishment is all the rage the election cycle.. :roll:... ...sa corrupt above the law establishment candidate will be a sure thing in Nov, am i right?
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It is mostly Republicans that are running from the GOP establishment. Dems are far more concerned with continuing to progress than blowing up the Govt. Trump can't win even if every Republican votes for him and they won't.
 
On paper.. Hillary beats Trump. She is the more experienced politically. She has more knowledge of the issues both foreign and domestic. Particularly foreign. For all the republicans grouse about her "going to prison" over emails, Benghazi, or the scandal du jour.. on Fox news, the general electorate is more focused on jobs, the economy etc and could care less.
She also will have if she does get the nod from her party... full party support. And that's huge when democrats have a majority. She can ride the democrat party to a victory if she picks up a few independents.

However, Hillary's weakness is two fold. One she is a woman. And that matters. She will have a difficult time overcoming being seen as either weak, or shrill and shrew like.
the second is that Hillary is not very likable.

This is where Trump has an opportunity. Trump has little grasp of the issues, makes gaffs constantly, and is very unpresidential. HOWEVER,,, he is the master of creating and running the three ring circus. This is where he shines.. and if he can get Hillary to engage him at this level...as he got cruz, and Rubio to do. He has a decided advantage. He can insult her, get personal on the attacks, and she is in a tough spot. She either can take "the high road" and try to ignore him which will make her seem weak.

Or she can try and attack back... but she has to be careful to not seem "bi**hy, or shrewish. She sinks to his level and she loses.


To win. she needs to stick to issues and plans.. and attack Donald that way. Treat him like a petulant child (that he is). She should dismiss his comments with ..well that's nice,, but here is whats really going on.

Or.. "anger and bigotry are not strength Donald"...

Prick his ego as if he doesn't matter will make Trump come unglued. In fact.. if I was her campaign manager.. I would make sure that EVERYONE BUT HILLARY... was attacking trump. He seems incapable of not challenging everyone saying disparaging things about him. So it might be good to keep him focused on everything BUT Hillary.
 
jaeger19 said:
On paper.. Hillary beats Trump. She is the more experienced politically. She has more knowledge of the issues both foreign and domestic. Particularly foreign. For all the republicans grouse about her "going to prison" over emails, Benghazi, or the scandal du jour.. on Fox news, the general electorate is more focused on jobs, the economy etc and could care less.
She also will have if she does get the nod from her party... full party support. And that's huge when democrats have a majority. She can ride the democrat party to a victory if she picks up a few independents.

However, Hillary's weakness is two fold. One she is a woman. And that matters. She will have a difficult time overcoming being seen as either weak, or shrill and shrew like.
the second is that Hillary is not very likable.

This is where Trump has an opportunity. Trump has little grasp of the issues, makes gaffs constantly, and is very unpresidential. HOWEVER,,, he is the master of creating and running the three ring circus. This is where he shines.. and if he can get Hillary to engage him at this level...as he got cruz, and Rubio to do. He has a decided advantage. He can insult her, get personal on the attacks, and she is in a tough spot. She either can take "the high road" and try to ignore him which will make her seem weak.

Or she can try and attack back... but she has to be careful to not seem "bi**hy, or shrewish. She sinks to his level and she loses.


To win. she needs to stick to issues and plans.. and attack Donald that way. Treat him like a petulant child (that he is). She should dismiss his comments with ..well that's nice,, but here is whats really going on.

Or.. "anger and bigotry are not strength Donald"...

Prick his ego as if he doesn't matter will make Trump come unglued. In fact.. if I was her campaign manager.. I would make sure that EVERYONE BUT HILLARY... was attacking trump. He seems incapable of not challenging everyone saying disparaging things about him. So it might be good to keep him focused on everything BUT Hillary.
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Yep. The only person who can defeat Trump is Trump. His gaffes are just so unnecessary. And Hillary is a terrible politician but sadly she has not just the democratic machine behind her but she has the media behind her in ways I've never seen before. Furthermore the GOP is willing to cut off it's nose to spite the face and not support Trump so he might not be getting as much help there.
 
reinoe said:
Yep. The only person who can defeat Trump is Trump. His gaffes are just so unnecessary. And Hillary is a terrible politician but sadly she has not just the democratic machine behind her but she has the media behind her in ways I've never seen before. Furthermore the GOP is willing to cut off it's nose to spite the face and not support Trump so he might not be getting as much help there.
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Actually its Hillary's to lose..

but she has to make sure she gets Trump to implode. OR she has to make Trump have to actual deal with the issues.

She only loses if she can't handle his three ring circus with Trump as the circus master.
 
Hatuey said:
Lol@Politico's 1 poll, vs RCP's 7-8 polls all won by Hillary.





Again, if the issue is being unappealing, she can definitely claim to be more appealing than both Trump and EVERYONE ELSE IN THIS RACE in either party. Out of the dozen or so candidates in the GOP not ONE of them has managed to beat Hillary in numbers. In the Dem side, the same can be said. So what does that say for her appeal? That she is far more appealing than everyone else in the race.

She has not only garnered more votes, she actually only really needs 29 electoral votes if we only count the states which have reliably gone Democrat for the last 30 years or so.

Where you guys see 'unappealing' everyone else has seen a winner.
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Oh, she is less unappealing that Trump, but that is damning her with faint praise.

Note: I think Clinton will win fairly easily. I think she is a better candidate than the person the republicans chose(there is that damning with faint praise again). That does not change that it is likely to be a battle, that Clinton has some real negatives, and it is far from inconceivable she loses. The worst thing democrats can do(and I am a democrat myself) is think that because Trump, it is a shoe in. It will take alot of work, and some luck, for her to win. The little bit of good news is that it will take Trump even more.
 
shrubnose said:
She can win the election.

Let's wait and see what happens in November.
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Yes, she will win the election, but not because she is good. It's because the alternative sucks even more than she does. With the right candidate, the GOP could have beaten her handily. The year will be known as the year Republicans blew an easy victory.
 
Deuce said:
"Statist" is good flag for "ignore this post."
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Statist, Marxist, Socialist... all things the left likes to ignore. What, she's a Statist? Oh, that's not true, not her! She just wants the best for us. So what if that means curtailing some freedoms and liberties? It's for your own good. The road to Hell...
 
Even supporters agree: Clinton has weaknesses as a candidate. What can she do?
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seem genuine and unscripted at least a couple times. that would help a lot. also, pick a very likable VP from a midwestern swing state to stack the electoral math.

my opinion is that Trump and Cruz are the only candidates that she even had a chance against. she could very possibly beat Trump this time, but her prospects of winning in four years after twelve years of a Democratic presidency are probably poor.
 
Risky Thicket said:
This is nothing new to most of us and even Hillary supporters will admit it: Hillary's continuing (and growing?) problem is not many people like her. Not as bad as Cruz, but the words "Hillary" and "like" are rarely used in the same sentence. "Hillary" and "dynamic" have never been used in the same sentence without quotation marks.

What is new? Even Hillary supporters are admitting that Hillary doesn't appeal to people and that, in terms of the general election, her personality and character or lack thereof may cost her and the Democrats the Presidential election. People don't like her.

As Trump transitions to GOP Presidential candidate mode and publicly attempts to shuffle closer toward a semblance of sanity (good luck with that) the Press (and I use the term very loosely) has less raw meat to feed the voting crowd. Less attention on Trump.

The Press has refused to report or focus on Sanders from day one. The spotlight must then turn to Hillary, the one person in the race who wants to be known but not scrutinized. Scratch the surface and you have Bill Clinton's wife, who wouldn't even be considered in the race otherwise. Reports of Hillary's Machiavellian "teamwork" and spleen ripping nastiness are often mentioned in comparison to Richard Nixon. No one liked him either.

Daily people are exposed more to Hillary Clinton. Daily people hear more from Clinton. Daily people are already sick of her. Maybe people are getting sick of hearing her say, "I've got a plan." Maybe people are discovering that once you get passed her god awful public presence she really hasn't done anything for U.S.

Depending on who you read, Hillary is barely ahead of Trump or barely behind him. Things aren't getting better for Hillary - everyone must admit that.

Millennials cannot relate to her, they don't trust her. Hillary needs Millennials now and after the election. Millennials - of all colors and persuasions - are soon to be the demographic politicians will need to win elections. So far the GOP, Donald Trump, Teapartisans, the Democratic Party and Hillary Clinton kinda, sorta, know that but they don't get it.

Soon look for Hillary pandering to Millennials like she pandered to African-Americans (who are beginning to leave her as well). They know a chameleon when they see one.



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We have two candidates that are disliked more than they are liked, and are in fact the most disliked Presidential nominees in modern history!

Some election! :(
 
I'm not sure how any Presidential candidate having weaknesses is breaking news.
 
Chomsky said:
We have two candidates that are disliked more than they are liked, and are in fact the most disliked Presidential nominees in modern history!

Some election! :(
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You know it had to reach that point. For years we have all been saying how we despise the choices given us by the two ruling parties. Each election the choices have been worse than the previous election. And here we are.

Who would be surprised, regardless of the winner if, following the coming election, Americans exhibit great dissatisfaction? Further it should surprise no one that that dissatisfaction will continue for quite a long time. People are simply fed the hell up with the failed system. While the masses probably do not want to admit it to themselves I believe most Americans realize that democracy no longer exists here. As reality becomes too obvious to ignore Americans will not react kindly (even though Americans are largely to blame for their own plight).

The system has failed and as a result the system offers two candidates that are greatly disliked.

Both ruling parties remain largely clueless. It is amazing to most of us. The disconnect between elected officials and Americans is astounding. Yet, career politicians, the wealthy and powerful establishment drone on as if they have never listened to the public to begin with...because they haven't.

To illustrate the cluelessness of the establishment Sen. Barbara Boxer made a ridiculous "Let them eat cake" speech recently in Nevada after the state Democratic convention went into brawl and chaos mode. The crowd responded by calling her a bitch and then ignored her.
 
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Hatuey said:
Lol@Politico's 1 poll, vs RCP's 7-8 polls all won by Hillary.
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sorry you don't like the article that doesn't change the facts.
if you think their poll or article is faulty then please actually provide something
to prove it wrong for a change.

the fact that it is a virtual tie in 3 states that are needed to win the election says quite a bit.

no she isn't appealing to most voters.
the closer we get to the election the more that will come out that people just don't like her.

you will see the gaps close more so.

I don't like either but I refuse to vote for Clinton, and any person with an ounce of
intelligence wouldn't vote for her either.
 
Chomsky said:
We have two candidates that are disliked more than they are liked, and are in fact the most disliked Presidential nominees in modern history!

Some election! :(
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this isn't going to be a battle of the best but a battle for who is not worse than the other.
fact is Clinton v trump is going to be the slimiest dirtiest nastiest campaign that we have
seen in a while.

granted not as bad as elections in prior years that were worse, but it is still going to be nasty.

I mean Hamilton vs burr was about as bad as you can get when it comes to politics.
 
ludin said:
this isn't going to be a battle of the best but a battle for who is not worse than the other.
fact is Clinton v trump is going to be the slimiest dirtiest nastiest campaign that we have
seen in a while.

granted not as bad as elections in prior years that were worse, but it is still going to be nasty.

I mean Hamilton vs burr was about as bad as you can get when it comes to politics.
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Yeah, and we may see more voters turning-out for a protest vote against the other guy, than for their own guy! :doh
 
danarhea said:
Yes, she will win the election, but not because she is good. It's because the alternative sucks even more than she does.
With the right candidate, the GOP could have beaten her handily.
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The year will be known as the year Republicans blew an easy victory.
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With the GOP the perfect is the enemy of the good.

The old White men who rule the GOP keep running guys who they like that the majority of Americans don't like.

Check the results of this November's election and you'll see what I'm talking about.




"Better days are coming." ~ But not for today's out of touch,running out of time,GOP.
 
Chomsky said:
Yeah, and we may see more voters turning-out for a protest vote against the other guy, than for their own guy! :doh
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have to wait and see what happens. although still not voting for Clinton.
 
ludin said:
sorry you don't like the article that doesn't change the facts
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Here's a fact:

RealClearPolitics - Election 2016 - General Election: Trump vs. Clinton

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Hillary beats Trump in 14 out of 15 polls carried by RCP in the last 2 months. The one outlier? Rasmussen - which let's face it, they're the same guys who called it for Romney in 2012. Do you like those odds? Face it. Trump has about as much of a chance as Ted Cruz did.

Want to make a bet and put our money where our mouths are? What shall it be? Forum donation? New signature by the other person for a year?

I'm game. :)
 
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Hatuey said:
Here's a fact:

RealClearPolitics - Election 2016 - General Election: Trump vs. Clinton

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Hillary beats Trump in 14 out of 15 polls carried by RCP in the last 2 months. The one outlier? Rasmussen - which let's face it, they're the same guys who called it for Romney in 2012. Do you like those odds? Face it. Trump has about as much of a chance as Ted Cruz did.

Want to make a bet and put our money where our mouths are? What shall it be? Forum donation? New signature by the other person for a year?

I'm game. :)
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that isn't fact. it doesn't negate what the article said but nice try.
 
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