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Navy fires officer in charge of captured sailors

apdst said:
Educate me. Explain how a commander isn't responsible for the indoctrination of his troops. I can't wait. This is going to be good. Get after it...
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How the hell can the President of the USA be responsible for 'troop indoctrination'? Actually, how can anyone be responsible for indoctrinating troops? Does that even happen?
 
apdst said:
Is the CIC responsible for the training and discipline of the men under his charge. He sets the time for the entire armed forces. Does he not?
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Yes. He does not.
 
apdst said:
The cult of personality surrounding Obama is scary.
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Very SCARY isn't it!

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Grand Mal said:
No it's not.
Damn. Is every event a crisis in your world?
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When service members lives and the integrity of the armed forces are on the line, it's the invasion of Normandy, Gettysburg, The Bulge, The Cowpens, Verdun, The Yet Offensive, every time.
 
Grand Mal said:
How the hell can the President of the USA be responsible for 'troop indoctrination'? Actually, how can anyone be responsible for indoctrinating troops? Does that even happen?
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Yes, it happens. That's why there's an entire branch for that. In the Army it's known as, TRADOC, "training and doctrine command".
 
apdst said:
When service members lives and the integrity of the armed forces are on the line, it's the invasion of Normandy, Gettysburg, The Bulge, The Cowpens, Verdun, The Yet Offensive, every time.
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Don't be an ass. The President wasn't responsible for the actions and decisions of officers when those actions and decisions were important to a war effort and the officers were Colonels and Generals.
You're just poo-flinging. A word of advise- don't lick your fingers.
 
apdst said:
Is the CIC responsible for the training and discipline of the men under his charge. He sets the time for the entire armed forces. Does he not?
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Are you really asking me that?

Not really. While he is the Commander in Chief of the armed forces, operational command and control of the armed forces fall primarily to the Secretary of Defense, the Chairmen of the Joint Chief of Staff and other high level central commanding elements, with the President operates only largely as a broad overseer, with little influence in day to day operations beyond observation, with exceptions for humanitarian and natural disasters, which usually amount only to giving orders for mobilization and deployment, with nearly all of the actual planning and details falling to actual military commanders. Commander in Chief for the President is a position, not a rank. The President does not write doctrine, oversee training regimes, formluate strategy or develop and plan operations. He remains a civilian, not a member of the armed forces.
 
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apdst said:
It's always the invasion of Normandy.
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Was Franklin Roosevelt responsible for all the screw ups in the invasion of Normandy? There were more than a few, and many cost American/Allied lives.
 
If this isn't the dumbest conversation on DP you sure as **** can see it from here.
 
Grand Mal said:
Don't be an ass. The President wasn't responsible for the actions and decisions of officers when those actions and decisions were important to a war effort and the officers were Colonels and Generals.
You're just poo-flinging. A word of advise- don't lick your fingers.
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Not THIS President. Right? But, a Republican President? That would be a different story. Wouldn't it?
 
manise said:
Was Franklin Roosevelt responsible for all the screw ups in the invasion of Normandy? There were more than a few, and many cost American/Allied lives.
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Which screwups? A lot of the screwups during Operation Overlord were Murphy's Law.
 
Jredbaron96 said:
Are you really asking me that?

Not really. While he is the Commander in Chief of the armed forces, operational command and control of the armed forces fall primarily to the Secretary of Defense, the Chairmen of the Joint Chief of Staff and other high level central commanding elements, with the President operates only largely as a broad overseer, with little influence in day to day operations beyond observation, with exceptions for humanitarian and natural disasters, which usually amount only to giving orders for mobilization and deployment, with nearly all of the actual planning and details falling to actual military commanders. Commander in Chief for the President is a position, not a rank. The President does not write doctrine, oversee training regimes, formluate strategy or develop and plan operations. He remains a civilian, not a member of the armed forces.
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You people will say anything to cover for Obama. He's a living God to you.
 
azgreg said:
If this isn't the dumbest conversation on DP you sure as **** can see it from here.
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A bunch Libbos are taking mulligans right about now.
 
Chainsaw said:
Oh yea sure, just like GWB was responsible to manage the night-guard shift at Abu Ghraib prison. LOL
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But...but...but...that's diiiiiiiiiiiiiifereeeeeeeeent!
 
David G said:
Another waste of electrons. As has been pointed out - this sort of military error has happened throughout history. And the OP made no attempt to make any sort of linkage to the Commander of the Navy, or the Joint Chiefs... let along the C in C. Seems the comment about the OP having never served is apt. My eldest served in the Navy also. Before Obama was elected. Based in Japan. A relatively 'quiet' posting. And he can tell you stories that will curl your toes and make you wonder why we aren't all just a heap of glowing molten slag at the moment.

I guess some people will leap upon any hint of anything that besmirches one they don't approve of - factual or not. Rational or not. Fair or not.
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we have been doing these operations in the Persian Gulf for a very long time, and never before had anything close to this level of breakdown. I expect that within 24 hours McCain will tell you the same thing I am telling you, that this is a top level command and control failure.
 
apdst said:
A bunch Libbos are taking mulligans right about now.
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Are you kidding? You're getting your ass handed to you. Your arguments here are among the most disingenuous in the history of DP.
 
That miserable whiny narcissistic prick Obama has completed one of his main goals. Knock America down to being equal with the rest of the third world.
 
apdst said:
Is the CIC responsible for the training and discipline of the men under his charge. He sets the time for the entire armed forces. Does he not?
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My recruiter is currently sitting in jail right now for having sex with minors. Who is held responsible, the recruiter, or the CIC?
 
azgreg said:
Are you kidding? You're getting your ass handed to you. Your arguments here are among the most disingenuous in the history of DP.
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I'm hardly getting my ass handed to me. I've been on these forums since EVERYTHING was Bush's fault...lol!

All of a sudden, since the Messiah got elected, NOTHING is his fault, EVER.
 
CMPancake said:
My recruiter is currently sitting in jail right now for having sex with minors. Who is held responsible, the recruiter, or the CIC?
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If that recruiter hosed down a dozen civilians in a combat zone would his chain of command be held responsible for his actions?
 
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