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Saudi officials were 'supporting' 9/11 hijackers, commission member says

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A former Republican member of the 9/11 commission, breaking dramatically with the commission’s leaders, said Wednesday he believes there was clear evidence that Saudi government employees were part of a support network for the 9/11 hijackers and that the Obama administration should move quickly to declassify a long-secret congressional report on Saudi ties to the 2001 terrorist attack.
The comments by John F Lehman, an investment banker in New York who was Navy secretary in the Reagan administration, signal the first serious public split among the 10 commissioners since they issued a 2004 final report that was largely read as an exoneration of Saudi Arabia, which was home to 15 of the 19 hijackers on 9/11.

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“There was an awful lot of participation by Saudi individuals in supporting the hijackers, and some of those people worked in the Saudi government,” Lehman said in an interview, suggesting that the commission may have made a mistake by not stating that explicitly in its final report. “Our report should never have been read as an exoneration of Saudi Arabia.


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Well there you have it.... Saudi officials giving support for the 9/11 hijackers. This full report needs to be released to the public.
 
If confirmed, I say bomb something.

And that's not usually my first choice.
 
As I recall from the stories, it the report said that there were no "Senior" Saudi officials supporting the 9/11 hijackers. The wiggle room is that there could be junior Saudi officials involved that still make the earlier statement true.
 
is this a breaking news ? :shock:
 
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Well there you have it.... Saudi officials giving support for the 9/11 hijackers. This full report needs to be released to the public. [/FONT][/COLOR]

Hm.

Do you remember the sinking of the nuclear attack sub USS Scorpion back in the 1960's? Ever since, there's been a line of thought that it wasn't due to an engineering problem as the investigation stated back then, but was instead sunk by a Soviet submarine in retaliation for the sinking of a different Soviet submarine a month or so earlier in the Pacific relatively close to Hawaii. We don't know for sure why the Soviet sub sunk - it's not as if the Soviet Navy had the best safety record - but given the historically-understandable paranoia of the Russian people, one can see why they might suspect it.

Anyway, over the years, more and more evidence that the Scorpion might have been torpedoed has trickled in over the years, most interestingly being the statements of those who were on watch on our SOSUS stations - the secret underwater passive sonar network - who stated that what they heard with their own ears at the time is not reflected in the official logs.

So let's pretend just for a moment that the Soviets did sink the Scorpion, and that our government knew it. This would mean that they deliberately engaged in a cover-up and lied to all the bereaved families of those who went down with the sub. The very notion is outrageous, is it not? Where's the justice? Where's the righteous vengeance?

But what would have happened if the Soviets did torpedo our sub, and our government knew it and decided to let the American people know? We probably would have gone to war...which at that time would probably have resulted in nuclear war. How many tens of millions might have died in a nuclear war over two hundred-odd innocent men whose sub was torpedoed by the Soviets? Would the justice, the vengeance have been worth it? It reminds one of the old Chinese proverb that, "When planning revenge, dig two graves"...meaning, of course, digging one's own grave along with the grave of the recipient of your vengeance.

So it goes with Saudi Arabia. If their government was directly involved and the American people - and the other nations in the Middle East - are made aware of it, what happens then? How many more people must die because of what happened on 9/11, regardless of who started it? You do know that their defense budget is even higher than Russia's, right? And that most of their hardware is bought from U.S. military hardware factories....

In other words, sometimes justice simply isn't worth pursuing. Sometimes it really is better to let the bad guys get away with it.

Better yet, perhaps there's other ways of obtaining justice without needing to inflame the passions of the people and launching yet another war....
 
So it goes with Saudi Arabia. If their government was directly involved and the American people - and the other nations in the Middle East - are made aware of it, what happens then? How many more people must die because of what happened on 9/11, regardless of who started it? You do know that their defense budget is even higher than Russia's, right? And that most of their hardware is bought from U.S. military hardware factories....

In other words, sometimes justice simply isn't worth pursuing. Sometimes it really is better to let the bad guys get away with it.

Better yet, perhaps there's other ways of obtaining justice without needing to inflame the passions of the people and launching yet another war....
HaHa!!! Looks like the Saudi's have sleeper agents on this forum.
 
HaHa!!! Looks like the Saudi's have sleeper agents on this forum.

So you would vote for yet more war? And, since the war would be against Saudi Arabia, the skyrocketing of fuel prices worldwide, thereby increasing not just prices for almost everything that anyone buys, but also increasing instabilities in nations around the planet?

In your view, is righteous vengeance always worth the price of that vengeance? That was the whole thrust of my post...and that was the question you wouldn't answer.
 
Hm.

Do you remember the sinking of the nuclear attack sub USS Scorpion back in the 1960's? Ever since, there's been a line of thought that it wasn't due to an engineering problem as the investigation stated back then, but was instead sunk by a Soviet submarine in retaliation for the sinking of a different Soviet submarine a month or so earlier in the Pacific relatively close to Hawaii. We don't know for sure why the Soviet sub sunk - it's not as if the Soviet Navy had the best safety record - but given the historically-understandable paranoia of the Russian people, one can see why they might suspect it.

Anyway, over the years, more and more evidence that the Scorpion might have been torpedoed has trickled in over the years, most interestingly being the statements of those who were on watch on our SOSUS stations - the secret underwater passive sonar network - who stated that what they heard with their own ears at the time is not reflected in the official logs.

So let's pretend just for a moment that the Soviets did sink the Scorpion, and that our government knew it. This would mean that they deliberately engaged in a cover-up and lied to all the bereaved families of those who went down with the sub. The very notion is outrageous, is it not? Where's the justice? Where's the righteous vengeance?

But what would have happened if the Soviets did torpedo our sub, and our government knew it and decided to let the American people know? We probably would have gone to war...which at that time would probably have resulted in nuclear war. How many tens of millions might have died in a nuclear war over two hundred-odd innocent men whose sub was torpedoed by the Soviets? Would the justice, the vengeance have been worth it? It reminds one of the old Chinese proverb that, "When planning revenge, dig two graves"...meaning, of course, digging one's own grave along with the grave of the recipient of your vengeance.

So it goes with Saudi Arabia. If their government was directly involved and the American people - and the other nations in the Middle East - are made aware of it, what happens then? How many more people must die because of what happened on 9/11, regardless of who started it? You do know that their defense budget is even higher than Russia's, right? And that most of their hardware is bought from U.S. military hardware factories....

In other words, sometimes justice simply isn't worth pursuing. Sometimes it really is better to let the bad guys get away with it.

Better yet, perhaps there's other ways of obtaining justice without needing to inflame the passions of the people and launching yet another war....

Yeah, but.

The Saudi military isn't particularly formidable. Look at Yemen, and before that what happened when Saudi troops went head to head with Saddam's military
 
Yeah, but.

The Saudi military isn't particularly formidable. Look at Yemen, and before that what happened when Saudi troops went head to head with Saddam's military

It's not just their military. What would happen to the world's oil prices if we were to invade SA? What happens when prices skyrocket so greatly? Not only do prices for doggone near everything go up, but the oil prices for other people who don't like us go up, too - remember, one of the things that has hurt Russia so badly over the past year or so is the oil glut. But if the prices skyrocket again, that's like giving Russia a truly nice windfall on a silver platter.

Not only that, but SA is the last strong Sunni power in the region to balance the growing Shi'a power of Iran and now (thanks to Dubya) Iraq. We go in there, and all of a sudden there's no push-back against Iran. And what happens then?

In other words, righteous vengeance is not always worth the price - hence the old Chinese saying, when planning revenge, dig two graves.
 
As I recall from the stories, it the report said that there were no "Senior" Saudi officials supporting the 9/11 hijackers. The wiggle room is that there could be junior Saudi officials involved that still make the earlier statement true.

The OTHER "wiggle room" is the acknowledgment that SENIOR Saudi officials, AND members of the Royal Family (the actual government) enjoy as much, if not way more, plausible deniability just as our own corrupt and rotten criminals do in higher office.

No one in their right mind would assume that everything is as it appears on the surface in a theocratic absolute monarchy like the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia. People in lower positions are expected to fall on their sword to protect the potentate and his inner circle.
 
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Well there you have it.... Saudi officials giving support for the 9/11 hijackers. This full report needs to be released to the public. [/FONT][/COLOR]

Nope. There we don't have anything new. We do have a story that certain types will want to use against the Saudis. I am game to read the proof, but a decent conspiracy theory needs more than a disgruntled finger pointer.
 
Nope. There we don't have anything new. We do have a story that certain types will want to use against the Saudis. I am game to read the proof, but a decent conspiracy theory needs more than a disgruntled finger pointer.

You are not fond of human rights ?
 
You are not fond of human rights ?

They are great.

Human rights are a potent societal instrument and were a major improvement for societies that could adopt the technology.
They have been one of the deciding aspects of our societies success.
 
Hm.

Do you remember the sinking of the nuclear attack sub USS Scorpion back in the 1960's? Ever since, there's been a line of thought that it wasn't due to an engineering problem as the investigation stated back then, but was instead sunk by a Soviet submarine in retaliation for the sinking of a different Soviet submarine a month or so earlier in the Pacific relatively close to Hawaii. We don't know for sure why the Soviet sub sunk - it's not as if the Soviet Navy had the best safety record - but given the historically-understandable paranoia of the Russian people, one can see why they might suspect it.

Anyway, over the years, more and more evidence that the Scorpion might have been torpedoed has trickled in over the years, most interestingly being the statements of those who were on watch on our SOSUS stations - the secret underwater passive sonar network - who stated that what they heard with their own ears at the time is not reflected in the official logs.

So let's pretend just for a moment that the Soviets did sink the Scorpion, and that our government knew it. This would mean that they deliberately engaged in a cover-up and lied to all the bereaved families of those who went down with the sub. The very notion is outrageous, is it not? Where's the justice? Where's the righteous vengeance?

But what would have happened if the Soviets did torpedo our sub, and our government knew it and decided to let the American people know? We probably would have gone to war...which at that time would probably have resulted in nuclear war. How many tens of millions might have died in a nuclear war over two hundred-odd innocent men whose sub was torpedoed by the Soviets? Would the justice, the vengeance have been worth it? It reminds one of the old Chinese proverb that, "When planning revenge, dig two graves"...meaning, of course, digging one's own grave along with the grave of the recipient of your vengeance.

So it goes with Saudi Arabia. If their government was directly involved and the American people - and the other nations in the Middle East - are made aware of it, what happens then? How many more people must die because of what happened on 9/11, regardless of who started it? You do know that their defense budget is even higher than Russia's, right? And that most of their hardware is bought from U.S. military hardware factories....

In other words, sometimes justice simply isn't worth pursuing. Sometimes it really is better to let the bad guys get away with it.

Better yet, perhaps there's other ways of obtaining justice without needing to inflame the passions of the people and launching yet another war....

That's called a Cold War.

I would question why the Saudis in general would want to do such a thing given the amount of support they get from the US.
 
They are great.

Human rights are a potent societal instrument and were a major improvement for societies that could adopt the technology.
They have been one of the deciding aspects of our societies success.

saudi arabia is your enemy ?
 
Read more @: Saudi officials were 'supporting' 9/11 hijackers, commission member says

Well there you have it.... Saudi officials giving support for the 9/11 hijackers. This full report needs to be released to the public. [/FONT][/COLOR]

There is a world of difference between some Saudi government employees or some errant Princes (out of thousands) being involved with al-Qaeda and the Saudi Government itself being involved or responsible. This is almost certainly the reason why it has remain classified: because people will leap to the wrong conclusions, conclusions which would be incredibly damaging for our mutual relations.
 
There is a world of difference between some Saudi government employees or some errant Princes (out of thousands) being involved with al-Qaeda and the Saudi Government itself being involved or responsible. This is almost certainly the reason why it has remain classified: because people will leap to the wrong conclusions, conclusions which would be incredibly damaging for our mutual relations.

Yeah, but there's the perception that they're all friends with Bush 43, so that makes them all guilty.
 
Not everyone with a different ethical code is one's enemy. Do you think?

I think many of you want to create enemies!!!!!! you may look at your own post in another thread.People should comdemn saudi arabia instead of Turkey!!!
 
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