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GZ auctioning gun used in killing of Trayvon Martin[W:106:124]

Re: GZ auctioning gun used in killing of Trayvon Martin

Prove me wrong then.

You think someone is going to give a murderer five thousand dollars of their own money? That sounds "logical" to you?
 
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We get how you feel. Some of us don't feel the same way. This is a pointless argument.

It's a super simple hypothetical question: Imagine someone you thought was a murderer, someone you absolutely believed did the crime. The yearly income of the average household is $45,000/yr. Would you give 11% of your annual income to a known murderer?
 
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You think someone is going to give a murderer five thousand dollars of their own money? That sounds "logical" to you?

You posted before the edit.

Prove me wrong then.

The problem with you trying to do that is that you can't.

It was already reported that an individual on twitter implored a black celebrity to buy it and destroy it.

That would be an indication that the person desired to do the same if they could afford it.


So you would be incorrect.
 
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There are things in this world that are distasteful and this is one of them. It's not that he's trying to sell his gun, but rather they way he's going about trying to do it. Had he just put an ad in the paper or some online auction site as he did and just gave a general description of weapon, there wouldn't be a problem. But he's trying to showcase the gun as if it's a famous piece of hardward, i.e., "Here's the gun used to kill Billy the Kid". That I would understand since Billy the Kid was a famous outlaw. But this?

George Zimmerman is a twisted human being. The day he slips up and finally goes to jail will be a good day indeed!
 
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It's a super simple hypothetical question: Imagine someone you thought was a murderer, someone you absolutely believed did the crime. The yearly income of the average household is $45,000/yr. Would you give 11% of your annual income to a known murderer?
Again, hypothetically, would you uphold the global warming theory of restricting CO2 even though it would put many W. Virginia miners out of work causing hardship and even death? I mean, figure it out, just once.

This is a pointless, ideological argument.
 
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Again, hypothetically, would you uphold the global warming theory of restricting CO2 even though it would put many W. Virginia miners out of work causing hardship and even death? I mean, figure it out, just once.

You can find the climate change subforum under "General Discussion." Would you give 11% of your annual income to a known murderer?
 
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Okay, I saw the edit. Would you give a known murderer $5000?
Stop with the irrational emotive bs.
Zimmerman did not murder anyone. He legally used lethal force to defend himself from a violent attacker.
 
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Stop with the irrational emotive bs.
Zimmerman did not murder anyone. He legally used lethal force to defend himself from a violent attacker.

I'm not talking about Zimmerman, I'm talking about someone...anyone...whom you believed to be a murderer. Would you give him $5000?
 
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You can find the climate change subforum under "General Discussion." Would you give 11% of your annual income to a known murderer?
The courts say he ISN'T a known murder. Figure it out, just once.
 
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The courts say he ISN'T a known murder. Figure it out, just once.

I'm not talking about Zimmerman, I'm talking about someone...anyone...whom you believed to be a murderer. Would you give him $5000?
 
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I'm not talking about Zimmerman, I'm talking about someone...anyone...whom you believed to be a murderer. Would you give him $5000?
What I would do is irrelevant.

As I suggested; Some may have wanted to buy it to destroy it because of it's history. You believed thinking that came from living in a dream world.

Obviously those thoughts came from your own dream world.
 
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The courts say he ISN'T a known murder. Figure it out, just once.

Nope they said it was not proven, they did not say he was innocent, do you know the difference?
 
Re: George Zimmerman auctions gun...

No, it is an idiotic comment.
There is nothing awful about selling a gun a person used to defend their self from a person violently attacking them.
There is nothing awful about donating the profits from that sale to a just cause either.
If anything is awful, it's all these absurd over reactions to it.

Claiming the gun is a piece of Americana is insulting to most Americans. He called it "A piece of American History" and an "American Firearm Icon". He also (falsely) claimed the Smithsonian was interested in acquiring and displaying the gun, attempting to overstate (fabricate) and verify the guns historical significance. He's trying to convert his fame into a pay day, which is despicable given the circumstances. It's just another bit of evidence that the man is a piece of trash.

The court made their dicision, and I can live with that, even if I don't agree with it completely. But given the evidence, it was a tough call, if one were to remain unbiased and just look at what was presented in court. I understand why it turned out the way it did. But I find the gun crowds support of Zimmerman to be not in their own self interest. Sure, he killed someone, it wasn't provable that it wasn't in self defense, and he was cleared by the legal system. But the gun grabbing crowd doesn't see it that way. Its the difference between "I'm armed, you may want to rethink this...." and "Just give me a reason, punk".
 
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What I would do is irrelevant.

As I suggested; Some may have wanted to buy it to destroy it because of it's history. You believed thinking that came from living in a dream world.

Obviously those thoughts came from your own dream world.

What you would do is relevant, because you would know whether doing such a thing would qualify as utter lunacy. And no, your link did not demonstrate that anybody actually wanted to give a murderer $5000. Sure, some random internet person suggested that someone else do it, but sure as hell nobody came forward to make that offer themselves. Because just as you wouldn't give a known murderer $5000, neither would anyone else.
 
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Nope they said it was not proven, they did not say he was innocent, do you know the difference?
You know when someone isn't convicted in court they are innocent of the crime, right?
 
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You know when someone isn't convicted in court they are innocent of the crime, right?

No, they're "not guilty." That's not the same thing. A jury can't determine that a person is innocent, only that the evidence was unconvincing.
 
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You know when someone isn't convicted in court they are innocent of the crime, right?

You mean innocent like OJ, Robert Blake, Richard James Herrin, Robert Durst, Cullen Davis, or Isaac Turnbaugh, that kina innocent. No the court never states that one is Innocent, they simple rule that the based on the evidence or charges and court rules the person was found to be not guilty, you really need to read up on the difference.
 
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What do you know of Zimmerman's character?

Although this wasn't directed toward me, I'll just say that I've managed to avoid being arrested for aggravated assault and domestic abuse my entire life. Mr. Zimmerman has had three run-ins with the police since he killed Martin: a felony aggravated assault in 2013, road rage in 2014, and an aggravated assault and domestic abuse charge in 2015. So what do I know about his character? Let's just say that the boy could use some anger management classes. I think that ultimately prison will be a fine place for a gentleman like Mr. Zimmerman. It's where people with poor impulse control tend to end up.

George Zimmerman charged with aggravated assault at girlfriend's home - CNN.com
Zimmerman arrested for alleged aggravated assault - CNN.com
George Zimmerman named in 911 road rage call
 
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The auction was taken down but it's his firearm. If he wishes to sell it, he should be allowed to do so, in any manner legal.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by cabse5

You know when someone isn't convicted in court they are innocent of the crime, right?

No, they're "not guilty." That's not the same thing. A jury can't determine that a person is innocent, only that the evidence was unconvincing.

:applaud

Well, said, and it's actually a long overdue statement about our judicial system works.
 
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The auction was taken down but it's his firearm. If he wishes to sell it, he should be allowed to do so, in any manner legal.

Did someone say he couldn't?
 
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Who would ever want that ****ing gun?

You'd be surprised how many people have a morbid fascination over stuff like this. Back in the French Revolution, lookie loos would dip handkerchiefs in the blood of the executed to keep as mementos.

Strange but true.
 
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