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Turkey hit 3,000 targets, killed 1,300 ISIL militants

Medusa said:
but it is never treated like an ally
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That may change here in the future if Putin keeps insisting on rebuilding the Russian Empire, never, ever trust Putin to respect borders, and that is not hyperbole. We can trade with them, make nice talk, but never trust Putin and his gang. We should be increasing our forces in Turkey, geopoliticaly it makes sense. I have never understood why our forces have been drawn down in Turkey, big mistake.
 
Medusa said:
as I said before CIA is not Turkish........
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That's a dishonest deflection. Turkey can address its human rights violations no matter what the hell anyone else does. You support the violations by refusing to acknowledge they exist, you're better than that.
 
Medusa said:
you must be confusing Turkey with muslim hater western countries
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I'm not confusing anything.

I'm just providing references to sources that are pretty much globally considered to be accurate and unbiased non-profit advocates for human rights.

Are you claiming Human Rights Watch and Amnesty International are inaccurately reporting Turkey's brutal and inhuman treatment of Syrian refugees?

If so, those are pretty strong accusations and I'd like to see some evidence from you that these two well known and well trusted organizations are deliberately slandering Turkey.
 
soot said:
I'm not confusing anything.

I'm just providing references to sources that are pretty much globally considered to be accurate and unbiased non-profit advocates for human rights.

Are you claiming Human Rights Watch and Amnesty International are inaccurately reporting Turkey's brutal and inhuman treatment of Syrian refugees?

If so, those are pretty strong accusations and I'd like to see some evidence from you that these two well known and well trusted organizations are deliberately slandering Turkey.
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Interestingly, you avoid talking about USA arming a terrorist organisation to terrorise another NATO ally Turkey with suicide bombings, assassinations, burning schools, killing teachers etc.

Another interesting fact is that The same USA is supporting the same terrorist organisation PYD, which is doing ethnic cleansing, committing war crimes, jailing people proven with Amnesty International report after talking more than 30 witnesses and visiting more than 10 towns in Syria.

The last interesting fact is that the same USA is acting with the same terrorist organisaiton that controls 80%of narcotic ''business'' in Europe to finance its suicide bombers. The PYD is killing people with drugs in The west to buy more bullets to kill people in the east, and You ignore this.


USA is acting against ATT, thus vioation of article 18 of vienna convention, back-stabbing a NATO country by causing deaths of its civilians whose families will in future sue USA for that treachery.

All these happen right now, and you are talking about tiny events.

Are you honest with yourself enough, or just trying to fool any one around here?
 
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OpportunityCost said:
That's a dishonest deflection. Turkey can address its human rights violations no matter what the hell anyone else does. You support the violations by refusing to acknowledge they exist, you're better than that.
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you have to look at US's violations all over the world!!!!!!!
 
treehouse said:
Interestingly, you avoid talking about USA arming a terrorist organisation to terrorise another NATO ally Turkey with suicide bombings, assassinations, burning schools, killing teachers, which is

Another interesting fact is that The same USA is supporting the same terrorist organisation PYD, which is doing ethnic cleansing, committing war crimes, jailing people proven with Amnesty International report after talking more than 30 witnesses and visiting more than 10 towns in Syria.

The last interesting fact is that the same USA is acting with the same terrorist organisaiton that controls 80%of narcotic ''business'' in Europe to finance its suicide bombers. The PYD is killing people with drugs in The west to buy more bullets to kill people in the east, and You ignore this.


USA is acting against ATT, thus vioation of article 18 of vienna convention, back-stabbing a NATO country by causing deaths of its civilians whose families will in future sue USA for that treachery.

All these happen right now, and you are talking about tiny events.

Are you honest with yourself enough, or just trying to fool any one around here?
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I am not sure, what to make of that. The Kurds have been very good and more reliable allies than most of late. The Turks terminated the ceasefire and started hitting at them. So waht do you propose? We choose between allies?
 
joG said:
I am not sure, what to make of that. The Kurds have been very good and more reliable allies than most of late. The Turks terminated the ceasefire and started hitting at them. So waht do you propose? We choose between allies?
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I do not propose anything, but showing USA acting with terrorists who instensify terrorism in Turkey with suicide bombings or other barbaric ways; who controls 80%of narcotic flow into Europe; who does ethnic cleansing, commits war crimes.

USA is vioalating treaties for those terrorists.

I only ask what the difference is between ISIL, PKK and USA, a simple question waiting for an answer.
 
treehouse said:
The same USA is supporting the same terrorist organisation PYD...
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Neither the United States nor Turkey officially list the Democratic Union Party as a terror organization.

Governments aren't under any obligation to treat organizations as though they're terrorists simply because disaffected and ignorant people don't like the organization.

Look, I get it, you consider the Kurds to be second-class sub humans and you don't want them to have any rights, autonomy, or a homeland.

Don't expect me to share in your bigotry, racism, and hatred.

USA is acting with the same terrorist organisaiton that controls 80%of narcotic ''business'' in Europe
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Prove that claim.

USA is acting against ATT, thus vioation of article 18 of vienna convention
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Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties

Article 18: Obligation Not To Defeat The Object And Purpose Of A Treaty Prior To Its Entry Into Force

ATT went in to force in 2014.

How is the U.S. violating Article 18 today by defeating the object and purpose of a treaty that went in to force two years ago?

Discussing this topic with you is pointless.

Your rabid hatred of the Kurdish people is obvious and the lies and slander you'll stoop to in an effort to keep them under Turkey's boot heel are both transparent and disgusting.

No polite person should be subjected to your hate speech on this topic.
 
Medusa said:
you have to look at US's violations all over the world!!!!!!!
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Constantly pointing to the US and going see! See! Does not excuse, condone or cover for the things Turkey has done. That's just deflection.
 
soot said:
Neither the United States nor Turkey officially list the Democratic Union Party as a terror organization.

Governments aren't under any obligation to treat organizations as though they're terrorists simply because disaffected and ignorant people don't like the organization.
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soot said:
Look, I get it, you consider the Kurds to be second-class sub humans and you don't want them to have any rights, autonomy, or a homeland.

Don't expect me to share in your bigotry, racism, and hatred.
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I have never used the term ''Kurds'', instead i have targeted a terrorist group PYD(PKK); However, you deliberately accuse me of ''bigotry, racism, and hatred.''.

Who is tricking who here?


soot said:
Prove that claim.
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- In recent years, the Turkish National Police (TNP) has made nearly 20 percent of the global heroin seizures...

- More recently, (2012-2013-2014) Anti-Smuggling & Organized Crime Department (KOM) under the TNP has conducted 11 heroin operations in collaboration with Sweden, USA, UK, Canada, Austria and Macedonia. These operations resulted in the seizure of over 20.400 kilograms of heroin and 56.738 kilograms of opium gum.

-In 2012, Turkey conducted 14 joint operations with Romania, Macedonia, Germany, USA, Sweden, Italy and the UK. In 2013, 25 joint operations were conducted by the Turkish law enforcement authorities with 15 countries, 10 of these operations being controlled deliveries. In 2014, Turkey conducted a joint operation with France and 4 controlled delivery operations with Germany, UK, Austria and Sweden.

-PKK/KCK terrorist organization is considered to be an important player in the international drug smuggling network due to its widespread connections in Turkey and Europe. Conducted operations indicate that the narco-terrorist activities of PKK/KCK terrorist organization are not limited to extortion or collection of protection money from smugglers but also include international delivery of drugs.
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Turkey’s Contributions in the Fight Against Drug Trafficking / Rep. of Turkey Ministry of Foreign Affairs

-According to the OECD FATF (Financial Action Task Force) Reports, the PKK terrorist organization controls 80% of drugs moving into Europe ...
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https://books.google.com.tr/books?i...KK 80% of drugs moving into Europe&f=false

What do you feel and say now?
 
soot said:
Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties

Article 18: Obligation Not To Defeat The Object And Purpose Of A Treaty Prior To Its Entry Into Force

ATT went in to force in 2014.

How is the U.S. violating Article 18 today by defeating the object and purpose of a treaty that went in to force two years ago?
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- United States Signs Arms Trade Treaty on September 25, 2013

Arms Trade Treaty

- It entered into force on 24 December 2014

- Article 18 of the Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties (VCLT): Obligation Not To Defeat The Object And Purpose Of A Treaty Prior To Its Entry Into Force

U.S. Airdrops Weapons and Supplies to Besieged Syrian Kurds in Kobani
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Updated Oct. 20, 2014 9:45 a.m. ET

U.S. Airdrops Weapons and Supplies to Besieged Syrian Kurds in Kobani - WSJ

I have not counted other groups supported before PYD terrorists, but Former DIA directer M.Flynn counted in the video.
 
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treehouse said:
I do not propose anything, but showing USA acting with terrorists who instensify terrorism in Turkey with suicide bombings or other barbaric ways; who controls 80%of narcotic flow into Europe; who does ethnic cleansing, commits war crimes.

USA is vioalating treaties for those terrorists.

I only ask what the difference is between ISIL, PKK and USA, a simple question waiting for an answer.
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As you know, my freedom fighter can be another's enemy of state. Turkey started shooting at the Kurds and they deployed asymmetric force against it. You criticize them and so attempt to undermine support of them. That is enemy behavior. Since those Kurds have been doing more against our primary enemies than other allies of ours, your behavior is also harmful to our cause. That isn't really nice
 
joG said:
As you know, my freedom fighter can be another's enemy of state. Turkey started shooting at the Kurds and they deployed asymmetric force against it. You criticize them and so attempt to undermine support of them. That is enemy behavior. Since those Kurds have been doing more against our primary enemies than other allies of ours, your behavior is also harmful to our cause. That isn't really nice
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When we really go into a bold debate, It will prove who is doing harm to who.
 
Medusa said:
you support or not ?
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I support the campaign but there needs to be some serious operational changes. At that rate they would have to 60,000 sorties to kill every ISIS fighter.
 
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